The idea of billions of years for the age of the universe came about through sciences like geology and cosmology. In all honesty, the theory of evolution can be understood without worrying about the age of the universe.
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Did Reptiles Evolve?
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No it doesn't speak allegorically about what God did --- it speaks literally.
And even if it was allegory, it would be poor allegory.
- The allegorical earth before the allegorical sun?
- The allegorical plants before the allegorical sun?
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Once again, it's not my bag.
I'm not sure it is, either, as I don't know what all they believe in - but I'm not here to refute YEC, OEC, or GAP.
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The expression, "God moves in mysterious ways," long part of our collective unconscious expression, is immutable proof of the allegorical (i.e. indirect, i.e. mysterious) nature of all things touching upon the nature or acts of God!! Perhaps the Bible references potentialities, my friend, for God became a Universe with the potential to include all of those things from the moment of the Big Bang, and the order in which they arrived therefrom is not important.... or perhaps plants came into existence elsewhere in the Universe many billions of years ago, before our sun acheived its current state, and was thus properly called the sun!!
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1. The Collective Unconscious is in a fallen state.
2. 'God moves in mysterious ways' is nothing more than a simplified verbal expression of how God operates within His creation, and is not meant to supersede what He had put down in writing.
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Others call it "comparing spiritual things to spiritual" and "rightly dividing the Word of Truth".
I use the Word of God to fulfill 2 Timothy 3:16 ---
- [bible]2 Timothy 3:16[/bible]
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You post in this forum to "Fullfill the Great Commission?"
What exactly is "the Great Commission?"
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No supercession, only clarification -- the facts (immutable and measurable characteristics of stars) show the Universe to be expanding from a point of origin (the Big Bang) which occurred many billions of years ago, and the facts (immutable and measurable characteristics of the Earth and of fossils) show evolution to have occurred for hundreds of millions of years on Earth -- the Bible must be understood to reference these processes.... unless you believe that God, in creating the immutable and measurable characteristics of the stars and of the Earth and of fossils, was lying to us.... and at the same time, using a less brilliant mechanism than the wonderd of physics and biology!!
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Your Bible quotes will be irrelevant to this discussion. There is a reason why most evolutionists are Christian, and most Christians are evolutionists, and don't forget that some of our leading evolutionary scientists are also members of Christian clergy. Now, I'm still waiting for your answers to my initial questions: Do you understand and accept what I have explained to you in post # 11? Or do you not? And if not, why not?
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Good for the facts --- but the Bible said it first:
- [bible]Psalm 104:2[/bible]
The Big Bang didn't happen --- instead, God created ex nihilo.
Not according to Genesis --- and taken as a whole, the Bible supports a universe that's only been here for 6000 years. (Actually the Bible only vouches for the first 4000 --- secular history supplies the rest.)
There were no fossils until Genesis 3, when God Himself killed the first animal(s) to clothe Adam and Eve.
Only if taken allegorically.
This stuff about accusing God of deception or lying because He did other than what your scientific paradigms predict He did is starting to wear thin. Of course, He was accused of being a deceiver in the Scriptures, too. It's nothing He hasn't seen before, but quite frankly your it-was-done-my-way-or-he's-lying attitude is showing that you don't know His ways very well.
For 4000 years not one person in the Bible believed He was being deceptive by creating the universe ex nihilo, now all of a sudden He's being accused of it because it doesn't jive with science. Well, that's too bad.
Ya --- I've wonderd [sic] about physics and biology, too.
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Bet me.
Good for them - they'll be held accountable for what they teach, too.
I understand why people have different physical characteristics, yes.
- [bible]Acts 17:26[/bible]
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AV1611 in post #15:
"What you have shown me is a pictorial testimony of the effects of the Fall."
Racial diversity is an effect of the Fall? Why did God create diverse environments if he did not want humans and other animals to adapt to them?
AV1611 in post #18:
"My single biggest [natural] obstacle to believing in evolution is the amount of time evolution requires to have brought this universe to where it is today."
Christianity has always taught that God is pre-existent from eternity. God has no shortage of time, and God has infinite patience.
"What you have shown me is a pictorial testimony of the effects of the Fall."
Racial diversity is an effect of the Fall? Why did God create diverse environments if he did not want humans and other animals to adapt to them?
AV1611 in post #18:
"My single biggest [natural] obstacle to believing in evolution is the amount of time evolution requires to have brought this universe to where it is today."
Christianity has always taught that God is pre-existent from eternity. God has no shortage of time, and God has infinite patience.
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