Did Paul pity the Sabbath Keepers ?

[Byfaithalone1]

It Seems Like We All Agree That Gal 10 Does Not Annul The Sabbath. Am I Right To Conclude So ?

If you are looking for people who believe that the sabbath was annulled, you may be hard pressed to find them. That certainly is not my position. I believe that all sabbaths were fulfilled, not annulled.

Galatians 4:10 is a reference to the convocations listed in Leviticus 23, which includes a number of convocations that--according to the SDA denomination--have been fulfilled.

Galatians 4:10 is an expression of concern toward those who continue to rely on the convocations. It is a concern I also share.

Q: Do you observe the passover? If not, why not?

Q: Do you believe that I should be a sabbatarian? If so, can you point me to the resource that will tell me how to keep it?

BFA

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

There is no solid evidence that Galatians 10 was abolishing the seventh day weekly Sabbath holiness since the term used 'days' [hēmera] was too general and could refer to [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]any day or feast.

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Is there any solid evidence that this verse was abolishing any of the annual Sabbaths either?

Q: Do you observe the passover? If not, why not?

You might want to consider this question carefully, and try not to just fall back on what the SDA church teaches.

 

[djconklin]

When Paul referred to the annual and weekly sabbaths as a whole

When did Paul do that?

 

[djconklin]

I think your response is weak as BFA states.

He didn't.

Nowhere in the New Testament was a pattern laid of how the Apostles reffered to the annual nor weekly sabbaths.

I never claimed that we only need to look at the NT to see how the Apostles referred to the annual and weekly sabbaths. The NT is built on what we see in the OT--as an example, the book of Revelation has some 2,500 echoes and allusions (both man-made terms) to the OT.

Does not the fact that Paul mentions all types of observances (that is day, month, yearly) suggest the inclusion of a Sabbath ?

He didn't; see http://www.666man.net/Colossians_2_16-17_By_David_Conklin/216c.html -- which I pointed you to before.

 

[djconklin]

I am looking for examples where Paul referred to a group of sabbaths/convocations? When he did so, how did he refer to them? Consider these examples:

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." Colossians 2​

The Greek for the bolded material is "en merei" which literally translated means "in that part of" or "on." See http://www.666man.net/Colossians_2_16-17_By_David_Conklin/216b.html -- which I pointed you to before.
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There is no support in the Greek that Paul wrote for the italicized material. Go here: http://www.666man.net/Colossians_2_16-17_By_David_Conklin/colintro.html and scroll down and click on the relevant portion of the verses for the details.
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[dragNdrop]

BFA,

Whether people belive that the sabbath was anulled or fulfilled the effect is the same. They all do not rest on a Saturday.

What I was alluding to is that is seems like everyone in this thread including me agrees that Gal 4:9-10 is not suggesting that Saturday has lost it's sanctity.

GUYS I AM ABOUT TO POST NEW TESTAMENT EVIDENCE FOR SABBATH (SATURDAY) KEEPING. WATCH THIS SPACE.

 

[djconklin]

Whether people belive that the sabbath was anulled or fulfilled the effect is the same. They all do not rest on a Saturday.

What people believe isn't relevant. It is still part of the 10C.

What I was alluding to is that is seems like everyone in this thread including me agrees that Gal 4:9-10 is not suggesting that Saturday has lost it's sanctity.

Correct. The idea that Gal. 4:10 is talking about the Sabbath is being read into the text--that is called eisegesis.
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Sabbath-keeping in the 5th century:

"For although almost all churches throughout The World celebrated the sacred mysteries (the Lord's Supper) on the Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, refuse to do this." - Socrates, "Ecclestical History," Book 5, chap. 22, p. 289.

"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria." - Socrates, "Ecclesiastical History," Book 7, chap.19.

"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria. There are several cities and villages in Egypt where, contrary to the usage established elsewhere, the people meet together on Sabbath evenings, and, although they have dined previously, partake of the mysteries." Sozomen, Ecclesiastical History

 

[Byfaithalone1]

You might want to consider this question carefully, and try not to just fall back on what the SDA church teaches.

I've considered them carefully. Now, how do you answer my questions?

Q: Do you observe the passover? If not, why not?

Q: Do you believe that I should be a sabbatarian? If so, can you point me to the resource that will tell me how to keep it?
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BFA

P.S. I am not an SDA.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The idea that Gal. 4:10 is talking about the Sabbath is being read into the text--that is called eisegesis.

Not so. The context of Galatians 3-5 is clear. In these chapters, Paul discusses:

(1) The law that was added 430 years after Abraham;
(2) The law that was a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ;
(3) The law that includes an observance of days and months and seasons and years; and
(4) The covenant that was from Sinai.
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What man-made term would apply to a study of scripture that does not take the context into consideration? Proof texting?

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Whether people belive that the sabbath was anulled or fulfilled the effect is the same.

When Christ fulfilled the law, He did not abolish it. He fully met its requirements. According to the SDA denomination, this is what Jesus did with respect to most of the sabbaths described in Leviticus 23.

They all do not rest on a Saturday.

Why would you care whether or not they do?

What I was alluding to is that is seems like everyone in this thread including me agrees that Gal 4:9-10 is not suggesting that Saturday has lost it's sanctity.

Care to address Galatians 4:21-31? I've posted it several times for the sake of discussion, but you haven't yet addressed it.

Should I believe that the sabbath was given to Gentiles simply because you believe it to be true? What is the Biblical basis? Since you're discussing Galatians 4:10, please also address Galatians 4:21-31.

BFA

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I've considered them carefully. Now, how do you answer my questions?

My post was adressed to dragNdrop

 

[Byfaithalone1]

My post was adressed to dragNdrop

OK. Thanks for the clarification.

BFA

 

[Lassie]

Paul was addressing the Gnostics and their pagan traditions, not the Torah. For further explanation, see DELETED BY MODERATOR

Lassie

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Paul was addressing the Gnostics and their pagan traditions, not the Torah. For further explanation, see DELETED BY MODERATOR

Lassie

How interesting that in 2 Corinthians 3 Paul describes the words that were engraved on stones. In Galatians 4 he describes the covenant that was from Sinai. In Galatians 3 he describes the law that was added 430 years after Abraham. In Romans 7, he addresses the law that included "thou shalt not covet."

I find no Biblical basis for concluding that Paul did not address the law.

BFA