Did Paul Baptize ?

[dan p]

We all know about Eph4:5, where it says ONE BAPTISM. Who did Paul baptize ? Jew , Gentiles or both ?

In 1 Cor 1:17, For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, LEST the CROSS of Christ should be made of NONE EFFECT. To means this says that if Paul baptized his ministry would have none effect and would be null and void.

After saying that in v15 that he only baptized Cripus and Gaius , v 15 says lest any should say I baptized in my own name, v16 remembers that he also baptized Stephanas, now listen what Paul says NEXT,,,, I ( Paul ) know whether I baptized ANY OTHER. DID HE, Paul, LIE ?

That means that he did not baptize Lydia in Acts 16:15, OR the Philippian jailor in Acts 16:33, or those in Acts 19:1-7

In Rom 6:7 , Paul writes, He that is dead is freed ( justified ) from sin , now if we were baptized into Christ's death, than we are as He ( Christ ) dead unto sin. Why THEN do we submit our dead bodies to a water ritual from which we have already been justified by being buried with Christ by baptism into death, where there IS NO Water.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

We all know about Eph4:5, where it says ONE BAPTISM. Who did Paul baptize ? Jew , Gentiles or both ?

In 1 Cor 1:17, For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, LEST the CROSS of Christ should be made of NONE EFFECT. To means this says that if Paul baptized his ministry would have none effect and would be null and void.

After saying that in v15 that he only baptized Cripus and Gaius , v 15 says lest any should say I baptized in my own name, v16 remembers that he also baptized Stephanas, now listen what Paul says NEXT,,,, I ( Paul ) know whether I baptized ANY OTHER. DID HE, Paul, LIE ?

That means that he did not baptize Lydia in Acts 16:15, OR the Philippian jailor in Acts 16:33, or those in Acts 19:1-7

In Rom 6:7 , Paul writes, He that is dead is freed ( justified ) from sin , now if we were baptized into Christ's death, than we are as He ( Christ ) dead unto sin. Why THEN do we submit our dead bodies to a water ritual from which we have already been justified by being buried with Christ by baptism into death, where there IS NO Water.

Ye do err, again.

first: the corinthians were born again, water baptized, Holy Spirit baptized, tongues praying, tongues speaking, tongues singing, Gentiles -and some Jews- male and female, members of the body of Christ, which is the Church.
Paul was a born again male Jew who not only was water baptized but was a Holy spirit baptized tongues speaking, tongues speaking, tongues praying, circumcised and circumcizing Jew, who circumcised Timothy after the Church wrote the letter to the Gentile Churches that freed them from anyone trying to make them come under Moses. Timothy was still circumcised by Paul because Timothy was half Jew, and Paul proved that he did not teach the Jews to cast off Moses, jsut as he did not teach the Gentiles to come under Moses.

As far as Paul baptizing converts in obedience to Jesus' great commission to the Church; he did water baptize some folk and he did command water baptism and he did command re-baptism for those who were only naptized with John's baptism; otherwise, a missionary evangelist [which is the modern name for an apostle/sent by Jesus as a witness of Jesus Christ and preacher of the Gospel] does not baptize converts, as a general rule, in the Church, after the foundation of a local congregation is established. That is left for those local Church members to do the ministering of water baptism. It has always been thus. The missionary evangelist water baptizes his first converts or else those with him do the ministering of water baptizing; and that core group is taught and become the ministers of water baptism for the locals who are joined to the Church, after the evangelists depart for other areas.

That's just the way a Church functions, and it has done so from the beginning.

Note: Paul thanked God that he had not water baptized the water baptized Corinthians only because they were dividing over names. He warned them over the divisions of dividing over names and following men. He did not tell them to stop the practice of water baptism of new converts! If he had, then he would have been a false teacher and a reject of Jesus. No man can lay another foundation than the One laid! Paul knew this and taught it, but MAD missed that message of Paul's, and divides over names and claims they follow Paul -but they do not follow Paul as He followed Christ, in water baptism or in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, because MAD does not even believe in the command of Jesus Christ to repent and be born again, from above.
MAD's division by names is exactly what Paul hated and did not want and argued against, in that letter to the Corinthians.

Go read it in truth, and "rightly divide it"!
Also note: the "one baptism" is not in context to the Corinthian letter and is also rejected by the MAD doctrine, for it speaks of the second birth of Spirit which joins one to the Living Spirit and which is called the adoption. It is not speaking of the born again in Christ Believers' water baptism submitted to by them in obedience to Christ, nor of their baptism of the Holy Spirit which is the anointing of the Spirit, which anointing empowers the sons [by adoption] to serve in the power of the kingdom of God, in the Church.

Water baptism is done for the dead Adam we wear, and it is only done after we are joined to Christ by the One Living
Spirit's adoption of us, into Christ. We are baptized into Christ's death, by faith, in water baptism, for we identify the Adam body we wear with His death, burial, and resurrection for it, and we acknowledge that in Christ's death we died to our old man Adam's sins, in Christ's resurrection we rise -in the image of His immortal body. This is the testimony of our faith which we give to Jesus by obedience to His command to be water baptised after we are joined to His One Living Spirit =born again in Spirit.
Water baptism is an act of obedience to Jesus Christ, submitted to by only those who have called on the name of the LORD for Salvation, and who submit the dead Adam flesh to identify it with the substitutionary death of Christ for that Adam flesh's regeneration, in the resurrection of it.

 

[Terral]

Hi Dan:

We all know about Eph4:5, where it says ONE BAPTISM. Who did Paul baptize ? Jew , Gentiles or both?

Paul baptized anyone called to God through the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Matt. 4:23, 9:35, Acts 8:12) like he is “preaching the kingdom” (Acts 20:25) to the ‘disciples’ in Acts 19:1-6. The difference is that these disciples already had the baptism of John (Acts 19:1-4), but they did not have the second baptism in the name of the Son and the third baptism in the name of the Holy Spirit through the laying hands. Paul led these disciples through the second and third baptisms in Acts 19:5-6 to complete the three kingdom baptism process. I explain how that works here.

In 1 Cor 1:17, For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, LEST the CROSS of Christ should be made of NONE EFFECT. To means this says that if Paul baptized his ministry would have none effect and would be null and void.

Paul is writing to the “Christ’s Body” (1Cor. 12:27 = Church #2*) assembly in Corinth in this First Corinthian Epistle, but this congregation also contains Kingdom Disciples from Peter’s Prophetic Kingdom Bride (Church #1*). These are the people claiming to be “of Apollos” and “of Cephas” in 1Cor. 1:10-12, as they were baptized by Apollos or by Peter on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2. Paul did water baptize the people that God called to become part of Peter’s Kingdom Dispensation, but he did NOT baptize the people that God called to become part of the “Dispensation of God’s Grace” (Eph. 3:2) still in the world today. These ‘two’ dispensations (Kingdom and Grace) were running side-by-side 2000 years ago, BEFORE God cut the Kingdom Church off in 70 AD (diagram) with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. Elijah will restart the “Late Rains” (James 5:7) Kingdom “Bride” by preaching the “Gospel of the Kingdom” when he comes to restore all things (Matt. 17:10-11, Acts 3:22-23).

After saying that in v15 that he only baptized Cripus and Gaius , v 15 says lest any should say I baptized in my own name, v16 remembers that he also baptized Stephanas, now listen what Paul says NEXT,,,, I ( Paul ) know whether I baptized ANY OTHER. DID HE, Paul, LIE?

That means that he did not baptize Lydia in Acts 16:15, OR the Philippian jailor in Acts 16:33, or those in Acts 19:1-7

No sir. You have ignored the context of Paul’s statement in 1Cor. 1:14 where he says, “I thank God that I baptized “NONE OF YOU” except Crispus and Galius,” where Paul limited the number of ‘you Corinthians’ that he baptized in person when preaching the “Gospel of the Kingdom.” Paul did not baptize the disciples in Acts 19:1-6, because they already had the baptism of John; or the first of the 'three' Kingdom Baptisms. The Samarians in Acts 8:12-17* already had the first two baptisms (in water and in the name of the Lord Jesus = Acts 8:16*), but Peter and John had to go and lay hands for them to receive the third and final baptism of the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:17*. All of the Corinthians “of Apollos” and “of Cephas” were also baptized in water, because they too were called by God to join the Prophetic Kingdom “Bride” by obeying the “Gospel of the Kingdom” where “baptism now saves you” (1Peter 3:21).

In Rom 6:7 , Paul writes, He that is dead is freed ( justified ) from sin , now if we were baptized into Christ's death, than we are as He ( Christ ) dead unto sin. Why THEN do we submit our dead bodies to a water ritual from which we have already been justified by being buried with Christ by baptism into death, where there IS NO Water.

That is very simple: The “Many” simply do not see the differences between the Two Gospels (my thread) or the Two Churches (my thread) of the New Testament, so they license themselves to mix everything together into a ‘one gospel’ and ‘one church’ pot to take out only those things tasty to their form of Denominationalism that breaks down the Two Veils (diagram) to 'rightly divide' NOTHING. That goes for everyone blinded by Roman Catholicism, Greek Orthodoxy and Protestantism with even many nondenominational congregations making the same deadly error of distorting the "wisdom given him" to "their own destruction." 2Peter 3:14-16. This means that the number of people part of the “mystery of iniquity” (left side of diagram IN Antichrist*) outnumbers those part of the “Mystery of Christ” (right side IN Christ Jesus*) by a very large percentage, like Goliath was a GIANT (pic) and God’s anointed was a little boy carrying a sling and five smooth stones. :0)

Now we have a myriad of the ‘servants of righteousness’ serving their ‘angel of light’ (2Cor. 11:14-15) running around this Board without one clue that the ‘deluding influence’ (2Thes 2:11) has them by the nose and is slinging them around without mercy. So those of us truly “IN Christ Jesus” (Eph 2:6) must put up with their shenanigans on a daily basis, because “our gospel is VEILED to those who are PERISHING” (2Cor. 4:3-4); as we stand by and watch the blind leading the blind straight and directly into the ditch on the side of the road like lemmings going straight over the cliff and directly into the 'lake of fire' (pic). After all, if those blinded by their Denominationalism cannot see the differences between the Two Gospels and Two Churches in the New Testament, then they cannot even begin to show anyone else the difference in being baptized in mere water ‘and’ being,


IN Christ Jesus (Fig 3 to Fig 2),

Terral

 

[Terral]

Hi YSM:

Ye do err, again.

first: the corinthians were born again, water baptized, Holy Spirit baptized, tongues praying, tongues speaking, tongues singing, Gentiles -and some Jews- male and female, members of the body of Christ, which is the Church.

No. ‘Some’ of these Corinthians were baptized in water, because ‘they’ were called by God to join Peter’s Prophetic Kingdom “Bride” by obeying the “Gospel of the Kingdom.” All of that is explained in Post #3 if you would like to try your “Ye do err” shenanigans with me. :0)

Paul was a born again male Jew who not only was water baptized but was a Holy spirit baptized tongues speaking, tongues speaking, tongues praying, circumcised and circumcizing Jew, who circumcised Timothy after the Church wrote the letter to the Gentile Churches that freed them from anyone trying to make them come under Moses.

The way Paul was born has nothing to do with anything, so please try to lead the untaught and unstable astray using something a bit more substantial. Paul was baptized in water ‘and’ baptized in the ‘name of the Son’ and baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19) in the ‘three step’ baptism process (my thread) for gaining membership in Peter’s Prophetic Kingdom Bride (Church #1), because at the time of his conversion (Acts 9) the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Gospel #1) was the ONLY GOSPEL in town. Paul received ‘our gospel’ (#2) for today through a ‘revelation of Jesus Christ’ (Gal. 1:11-12), as the realization dawned on him that ‘he’ became the ‘first’ (protos = 1Tim. 1:15-16) member of Christ’s BODY (church #2) called by God’s grace back at his conversion in Acts 9. That is how Paul became "your father through the gospel" (#2 = 1Cor. 4:15) in the first place. :0) The ONLY Corinthians baptized in water are those that God called to become part of Peter’s Kingdom “Bride” through obedience to the “Gospel of the Kingdom.”

Timothy was still circumcised by Paul because Timothy was half Jew, and Paul proved that he did not teach the Jews to cast off Moses, jsut as he did not teach the Gentiles to come under Moses.

YSM is making the same ‘grave mistake’ that I wrote about in Post #3 above, because he does NOT see the differences between the “Two Gospels” and the “Two Churches” of the NT. Paul is preaching the “Gospel of the Grace of God” (Acts 20:24* = Gospel #2) ‘and’ he is “preaching the kingdom” (Acts 20:25* = Gospel #1) as ‘two parts’ of the “whole purpose of God” (Acts 20:27*), because God requires a Kingdom of Priests (Bride) ‘and’ rulers/judges to judge the world and the angels (1Cor. 6:2-3) in the members of “Christ’s BODY” that you want to mix together into your ‘one dispensation/church.’ Those baptized in water for the forgiveness of their sins (Mark 1:4-5, Acts 2:38, etc.) are ‘water witnesses’ and intercessors between men and the Lamb standing in the ‘center of the throne’ (Rev. 7:17) where “we” (Body of Christ) are already IN Him (diagram). :0) Open up the diagram to see Peter, John, James, Cornelius and the Eunuch (Samarians of Acts 8:12-17 and the disciples of Acts 19:1-6 too) standing at the ‘right hand’ of the Lamb, because they are ‘before the throne’ (Rev. 7:14-16) serving Him night and day. However, those of you BLINDED into mixing these ‘two’ dispensations together (Bride and Body) have a part in NEITHER dispensation, because you are seated in the heavenly places IN Antichrist (far left) without one clue that the ‘deluding influence’ is in 100 percent control. Do I give one hoot about the “MANY” blinded by the ‘god of this world’ (2Cor. 4:3-4) and running around leading others astray with their ‘one gospel’ nonsense? No!!! Your fate is sealed in the same way the Holy Spirit sealed me “IN HIM” (Eph. 1:13-14) for the “Day of Redemption” (Eph. 4:30) and that is your just reward (2Cor 11:15). However, I do have some concern for those you would lead into the ditch on the side of the road, because for ‘them’ there might be some chance of saving a few . . . BTW, Paul baptized Timothy in Acts 16, because he wanted to take him on missionary journeys to “preach the Kingdom” to JEWS first, before then preaching the “Gospel of the Grace of God” to the Gentiles and Jews among them. Timothy could not preach the Gospel of the Kingdom to Israel in the uncircumcised condition, because THEY (Kingdom Bride) must keep the whole Law (James 2:10); unlike the members of Christ’s Body under grace and not under law (Rom. 6:14).

As far as Paul baptizing converts in obedience to Jesus' great commission to the Church; he did water baptize some folk and he did command water baptism and he did command re-baptism for those who were only naptized with John's baptism; otherwise, a missionary evangelist [which is the modern name for an apostle/sent by Jesus as a witness of Jesus Christ and preacher of the Gospel] does not baptize converts, as a general rule, in the Church, after the foundation of a local congregation is established.

No sir. YSM is just ‘talking’ as usual and cannot see the “Two Gospel” forest for all of his “one gospel” stupidity. The “Great Commission” Church is Peter’s Prophetic Kingdom “Bride” based in Jerusalem that Paul met with in Acts 15 (Gal. 2) to “submit the gospel I preach among the Gentiles” (Gal. 2:2), because at ‘that time’ (50 AD), then Peter had no idea that these Gentiles and Jews among them were part of a totally new “Dispensation of God’s Grace” given TO PAUL (Eph. 3:2) right along with “The Mystery.” Eph. 3:3, Col. 1:26. Paul did NOT re-baptize anyone, but the disciples (Acts 19:1-6) received the ‘second’ Kingdom Baptism “in the name of the Son” (Lord Jesus) in Acts 19:5, which is SPIRITUAL. Only then could these disciples receive the third and final baptism in the name of the Holy Spirit through the laying of hands where they began to prophesy like others having the “Gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38) that the Kingdom Disciples saved at Pentecost. The Kingdom “Disciples” in the Corinthian congregation had the ‘sign gifts’ of prophecy, knowledge and tongues (1Cor. 12-14), but the members of Christ’s BODY (like us) had only a ‘pledge’ of their inheritance (down payment = Eph. 1:13-14) showing none of the sign gifts at all.

That is left for those local Church members to do the ministering of water baptism.

NO!! Again, YSM is just ‘talking’ in some attempt to lead the blind into the same ditch. Paul and everyone else baptized EVERYONE obeying the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (see Christ’s Command = Mark 16:15-16), but NONE of the members of Christ’s Body (Church #2) were baptized in water. Paul describes 'our' one baptism in 1Cor. 12:12-14 by the "one Spirit," as the Holy Spirit baptizes us into "Christ's BODY." 1Cor. 12:27. We are baptized into Christ Himself (Gal. 3:27) to be "crucified with Christ" (Gal. 2:20), and raised up with Him (Col. 3:1-3), and not into any water! Those blinded by their own Denominationalism add this WORK to Paul’s Gospel (#2), because the ‘deluding influence’ told them so . . . Period!

It has always been thus. The missionary evangelist water baptizes his first converts or else those with him do the ministering of water baptizing; and that core group is taught and become the ministers of water baptism for the locals who are joined to the Church, after the evangelists depart for other areas.

That's just the way a Church functions, and it has done so from the beginning.

No sir. YSM is making this ‘assumption,’ because he blends the “Two Gospels” and “Two Churches” together without having one clue that these are ‘two dispensations’ (Bride and Body = water and blood) living under two sets of very different rules. But hey! I fully expect the “MANY” to side with YSM, because 'that road' is very wide indeed. :0) I am,

In Christ Jesus and they do not even know what that means,

Terral

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Ye do err, again.

first: the corinthians were born again, water baptized, Holy Spirit baptized, tongues praying, tongues speaking, tongues singing, Gentiles -and some Jews- male and female, members of the body of Christ, which is the Church.
Paul was a born again male Jew who not only was water baptized but was a Holy spirit baptized tongues speaking, tongues speaking, tongues praying, circumcised and circumcizing Jew, who circumcised Timothy after the Church wrote the letter to the Gentile Churches that freed them from anyone trying to make them come under Moses. Timothy was still circumcised by Paul because Timothy was half Jew, and Paul proved that he did not teach the Jews to cast off Moses, jsut as he did not teach the Gentiles to come under Moses.

As far as Paul baptizing converts in obedience to Jesus' great commission to the Church; he did water baptize some folk and he did command water baptism and he did command re-baptism for those who were only naptized with John's baptism; otherwise, a missionary evangelist [which is the modern name for an apostle/sent by Jesus as a witness of Jesus Christ and preacher of the Gospel] does not baptize converts, as a general rule, in the Church, after the foundation of a local congregation is established. That is left for those local Church members to do the ministering of water baptism. It has always been thus. The missionary evangelist water baptizes his first converts or else those with him do the ministering of water baptizing; and that core group is taught and become the ministers of water baptism for the locals who are joined to the Church, after the evangelists depart for other areas.

That's just the way a Church functions, and it has done so from the beginning.

Note: Paul thanked God that he had not water baptized the water baptized Corinthians only because they were dividing over names. He warned them over the divisions of dividing over names and following men. He did not tell them to stop the practice of water baptism of new converts! If he had, then he would have been a false teacher and a reject of Jesus. No man can lay another foundation than the One laid! Paul knew this and taught it, but MAD missed that message of Paul's, and divides over names and claims they follow Paul -but they do not follow Paul as He followed Christ, in water baptism or in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, because MAD does not even believe in the command of Jesus Christ to repent and be born again, from above.
MAD's division by names is exactly what Paul hated and did not want and argued against, in that letter to the Corinthians.

Go read it in truth, and "rightly divide it"!
Also note: the "one baptism" is not in context to the Corinthian letter and is also rejected by the MAD doctrine, for it speaks of the second birth of Spirit which joins one to the Living Spirit and which is called the adoption. It is not speaking of the born again in Christ Believers' water baptism submitted to by them in obedience to Christ, nor of their baptism of the Holy Spirit which is the anointing of the Spirit, which anointing empowers the sons [by adoption] to serve in the power of the kingdom of God, in the Church.

Water baptism is done for the dead Adam we wear, and it is only done after we are joined to Christ by the One Living
Spirit's adoption of us, into Christ. We are baptized into Christ's death, by faith, in water baptism, for we identify the Adam body we wear with His death, burial, and resurrection for it, and we acknowledge that in Christ's death we died to our old man Adam's sins, in Christ's resurrection we rise -in the image of His immortal body. This is the testimony of our faith which we give to Jesus by obedience to His command to be water baptised after we are joined to His One Living Spirit =born again in Spirit.
Water baptism is an act of obedience to Jesus Christ, submitted to by only those who have called on the name of the LORD for Salvation, and who submit the dead Adam flesh to identify it with the substitutionary death of Christ for that Adam flesh's regeneration, in the resurrection of it.

There is no separate gospels for Jews and for Gentiles. The one baptism is not given by Paul, and that is a blasphemous doctrine to claim so, as Terrel did above, but is the One Jesus gave His disciples when He rose from the dead and breathed on them and said "Receive ye the Holy ghost". Afterwards, they also received the Baptism of Power, the Spirit poured out on the adopted sons after Jesus Christ was Glorified as "Son of Man", when seated in the heavens.
Anyone who teaches others to disobey Jesus Christ's Gospel is preaching another gospel, which the true Paul also warned about.

MAD'S Paul is a pseudo paul who has words of men twisting and wresting things which Paul wrote and are not of Paul the Apostles writings at all. MAD ignores most of what Paul the Apostle writes, wresting bits and pieces to make up a different "gospel' which Paul the Apostle never preached. Paul did not usurp the Gospel of JEsus Christ as witnessed by the four witnesses. Paul is a foundation of nothing. Paul rebuked the Corinthians for sectarian divisions on men's names, which men they were claiming to follow to the neglect of Jesus Christ alone and only. This evil division preached against by Paul to the Corinthians is what MAD is doing, with the different gospel preached by MAD adherrents. This different gospel of MAD teaches others to disobey Jesus Christ and to ignore His doctrine, as His Witnesses gave it to us.
Paul never taught anyone not to obey Jesus Christ and never taught anyone to refuse water baptism or to reject second birth of Spirit in the Name of the LORD. MAD rejects second birth of Spirit into the New Man name, and of course, then, has no reason to be water baptized "for the dead" Adam flesh; for if one has not been born again in Christ then they are still dead in Adam.

 

[dan p]

Terral, I do have to agree with your position that there are two gospels, and that is my position to. And also believe that Paul's ministry was DUAL,to Gentiles, and Kings and the children of Israel ( Acts 9:15 ) which was a commssiom given to Paul, and that Pastors do not tell their assembly about. The dual part is hard for even dispensationalist to see and understand and I get much flak , but that is part of holding that position.

 

[Terral]

Hi YSM:

There is no separate gospels for Jews and for Gentiles.

Of course not. Eventually the “Gospel of the Kingdom” must go to the whole world. Matthew 24:14. However, the “Gospel of the Kingdom” was originally sent to Israel ONLY.

“These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' Matthew 10: 5-7.

Anyone can compare the preaching of John the Baptist (Matt. 3:2) and Christ (Matt. 4:17) to see both are preaching the very same thing like Christ is doing in Mark 1:14-15. YSM’s theology depends on mixing the ‘two gospels’ together, so she can NEVER admit that the Gospel of the Kingdom ‘and’ Paul’s Word of the Cross are two different messages. :0)

The one baptism is not given by Paul, and that is a blasphemous doctrine to claim so, as Terrel did above, but is the One Jesus gave His disciples when He rose from the dead and breathed on them and said "Receive ye the Holy ghost".

This is a funny statement indeed, because YSM’s view is based upon what is “NOT” yet again, as if denial is the answer to anything. Here is the challenge: YSM can go straight over to my “Two Gospels” thread (here) and ‘quote >>’ anything that is wrong and provide us descriptions of her ‘one gospel’ laid out in doctrinal precepts. I am very interested in seeing how she mixes the ‘two’ lists of doctrinal precepts together. :0)

Afterwards, they also received the Baptism of Power, the Spirit poured out on the adopted sons after Jesus Christ was Glorified as "Son of Man", when seated in the heavens.

Are we just going to keep talking, or do you support something with Scripture amid all of this rambling? 2Tim. 2:15? Do we see Christ Himself preaching the “Gospel of God” way back in Mark 1:14-15 or not? Yes we do! Do we see Scripture saying that Christ preached the “Gospel of the Kingdom” way back in Matthew 4:23 and 9:35 or not? Yes we do! And yet, He has not shed one drop of blood for anyone! Right? Okay then. So your job is to begin describing what the “Gospel of the Kingdom” really means from a Scriptural perspective, or all of your rambling combined equals nothing. The second challenge is for YSM to go straight over to my “Two Churches” thread (here) and quote anything that appears off to then show us your ‘one church’ arguments using Scripture. 2Tim. 2:15. The question remains about whether you can find even one thing wrong. :0) GL.

Anyone who teaches others to disobey Jesus Christ's Gospel is preaching another gospel, which the true Paul also warned about.

LOL! When does YSM get around to laying out the precepts teaching her “One Gospel” MYTH? :0) She just ‘talks’ about “Jesus Christ’s Gospel” and pretends that is supposed to mean something . . . Are sins forgiven by water (Mark 1:4-5) or by Christ’s shed blood (Eph. 1:7)? Do believers receive the Holy Spirit by laying of hands (Acts 8:17, 19:6) like for the “Gospel of the Kingdom,” or by “hearing with faith” (Gal. 3:2) like for Paul’s Gospel? The third challenge says to head over to my "Baptisms" thread (here) to point out my errors. :0) Good Luck . . .

MAD'S Paul is a pseudo paul who has words of men twisting and wresting things which Paul wrote and are not of Paul the Apostles writings at all. MAD ignores most of what Paul the Apostle writes, wresting bits and pieces to make up a different "gospel' which Paul the Apostle never preached.

LOL! YSM just starts talking about MAD and this is also supposed to mean something. Paul is saying that our Gospel is Gospel #2 from my “Two Gospels” thread, because his “Word of the Cross” gospel message (#2) has NOTHING to do with the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (#1). YSM mixes the Two Gospels and Two Churches together into a ‘false gospel and church’ that never even existed in Scripture. That is funny too . . . :0)

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme

Anyone who teaches others to disobey Jesus Christ's Gospel is preaching another gospel, which the true Paul also warned about.
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terrel; LOL! When does YSM get around to laying out the precepts teaching her “One Gospel” MYTH? :0) She just ‘talks’ about “Jesus Christ’s Gospel” and pretends that is supposed to mean something . . . Are sins forgiven by water (Mark 1:4-5) or by Christ’s shed blood (Eph. 1:7)? Do believers receive the Holy Spirit by laying of hands (Acts 8:17, 19:6) like for the “Gospel of the Kingdom,” or by “hearing with faith” (Gal. 3:2) like for Paul’s Gospel? The third challenge says to head over to my "Baptisms" thread (here) to point out my errors. :0) Good Luck . . .

Your errors have been repeatedly pointed out, yet you do not care and go on as if they never were...
You statement above is riddled with twisted gleanings from out of context portions of passages. You put apples and oranges together, so to speak, and call them the same fruit.
One Gospel is not a myth. That is blapshemy to claim so.
Sins have never been forgiven by water, and you are telling a big fat myth to claim that they have been.
Only believers who have been joined to the One Living Spirit by second birth can be water baptized in obedience to the One Gospel of Jesus Christ.
After they have received the Holy Spirit of second birth, which is the promise of Life to Abraham at the name change, they will be water baptized in obedience to the Gospel.
At Jesus resurrection from the dead, He gave the "Holy Spirit" of promise to His disciples, whom He had already pronounced clean, by faith, anyway:
Jhn 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

It was those disciples who had already received the "One Spirit" who were endued with power from on high at Pentecost, which enduement is called the bapism of the Holy Spirit and is only given to those who have already received the "One Spirit" of Life as in John 20:22. That Spirit of Life is what AbraHAm was promised, at his name change.


Believers only can then receive the Holy Spirit's baptism of power. That anointing is only given to the adopted sons.
It is the power of the sons of the Kingdom which Jesus gives to those who believe -rely on, trust in- His name.

Water baptism is only done for the dead Adam flesh, to submit it to the hope of the One Gospel. It is an act of obedience which Paul obeyed and taught others to do, and which they heeded, when they were redeemed by the Name of the Son of God, and it is in effect until the One Church is taken out of the midst of the earth, at the rapture.

There is no reason for a MAD doctrine follower to be water baptized, as that baptism is only for Believers who are born again in Christ's One Living Spirit, which is the adoption and second birth. MAD rejects Jesus' command to repent and believe the Gospel and obey the Gospel, and instead have believed MAD doctrine -to their spiritual injury.
There will be no excuse when you in MAD stand before Jesus Christ on the day of judgment.
Paul will not be there to defend you, for He is not of your group. Jesus will judge you on what you did about His doctrine. Your rejection of His doctrine seals your fate as a rebel, and and I urge you to repent of your rebellion and to call on His name and to be born again in His One Living Spirit, and to cast off this blasphemous MAD doctrine which rejects all sound doctrine, in place of ramblings which have no foundation in Scripture.



The command to all nations is to repent and believe the Gospel. The Gospel is the One Faith delivered Once, to and for all. There is no other name and no other Gospel than the One, Once delivered.
One Spirit, One faith, One LORD, One Church, One Adoption, which is the second Birth, which is the One Baptism of Life given to the repentent.

The repentent obey Jesus and submit their dead Adam flesh to water baptism. MAD doctrine rejectors of the One Gospel invent another gospel and pretend that Jesus' doctrine is voided by a pseudo paul of their own invention.

MAD does not follow Paul the Apostle, who submitted his own dead Adam flesh to water baptism after he believed -was born again in Christ.
MAD does not follow Paul in any manner, in any way, at any time, but stands in opposition to all truth and in place follow their own inventions.

 

[Dennis_Hogg]

The real issue is the reason that Paul gave why he didn't baptize. He said "For Christ did not send me to baptize...". 1 Cor 1:17. If Christ did not send him to baptize, then we must say that when he baptized, he did so without the authority of Christ.
This of course is not true of the twelve, who were told to baptize.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The real issue is the reason that Paul gave why he didn't baptize. He said "For Christ did not send me to baptize...". 1 Cor 1:17. If Christ did not send him to baptize, then we must say that when he baptized, he did so without the authority of Christ.
This of course is not true of the twelve, who were told to baptize.

Jesus did not send Paul to "Not Baptize"; nor did Jesus send Paul to "UNDO Baptizm".
Paul is arguing to the Corinthians who are dividing into sectarianism over names "Peter"; "Apollos"; etc that he is glad Jesus did not send Him as Jesus sent John the Baptist, lest they say he is baptizing in "his own name".

Also, No missionary Evangelist does the water baptizing of entire church bodies after they baptize the first converts into water baptism, as Jesus commanded. That's why they set up elder run bodies, from the core, so that the presbytery can obey Jesus and water baptize new converts.
Paul is not one of the Foundation twelve Apostles upon which the One Church is built, with Jesus Christ as the "Chief Foundation Stone". But Paul is just one of the many "apostles of the LORD called to go to specific places and peoples in the Church age with the One Gospel. Barnabas was exactly what Paul was, with Paul, called and appointed to be and do exactly what Paul did. Barnabas was "an apostle to the Gentiles", called by the Holy Spirit and "Sent -apostle in Greek" equally with Paul to the Gentiles and at the same time, and sent out by the Antiochian Church. Today we call them "Missionary Evangelists", but they are one and the same as Paul and Barnabas.

Pauls' words to the Corinthians did not in any way negate the command of Jesus Christ to all peoples to repent and believe the Gospel and be baptized in water -after repentence, which repentence is the time they are born again in Christ, which is the "One Baptism" of which Paul speaks, which joins us to the body of Christ..by faith. -Then we get "baptized for trhe dead" old Adam man which we continue to wear, til death, but in the "Hope of the Gospel "; which Hope is the resurrection of the body in Christ's image, regenerated.
MAD adherrents are practicing "word craftings" to change the Gospel of Jesus Christ into something made void by a different, MAD doctrine, pseudo Paul, who has -by their craftings- a whole new gospel built on his own name. That is exactly what the true Paul preached against.

Note: the Corinthians to whom Paul wrote were born again in Christ; were water baptized; were endued with power from on high -which power is given to the adopted in Christ's sons- and they moved in all the gifts of the Spirit, as Paul also did do. Paul did not introduce a different "no water baptism gospel", but told them how to act in the Church, how to keep order, and so on and so forth.
MAD is ridiculous in using the letter to the Corinthians to try to tell us that Paul's words to the Cointhians negated everything that the Corinthians already believed and did, and to try to convince us that Paul was telling them not to be water baptized, and that he had a new gospel of no water baptism built on his own name. It is not just ridiculous, but blasphemous, to teach the negation of the Doctrine of Christ by such word craftings.

It is really bad of the MAD crowd to wrest Paul's message to the Corinthians who were "dividing themselves into names according to who baptized them" , into exactly what Paul was preaching against; "I am of Paul"; "I am of Apollos"; "I am of Peter"; and so on. MAD dividers have declared themselves to be "of Paul"! -and yet they are not following Paul at all!

 

[bling]

The real issue is the reason that Paul gave why he didn't baptize. He said "For Christ did not send me to baptize...". 1 Cor 1:17. If Christ did not send him to baptize, then we must say that when he baptized, he did so without the authority of Christ.
This of course is not true of the twelve, who were told to baptize.

Paul came to the understanding that it was not good for him personally to do the water baptizing for the same reason Christ did not water baptize, but those with Christ were exceeding even John and his disciples in baptizing. The same could have been happening with Paul. The physical act of being the baptizer takes time and energy and is something the novice Christian can easily do and should be doing. Read the context in which Paul makes this statement.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

We all know about Eph4:5, where it says ONE BAPTISM. Who did Paul baptize ? Jew , Gentiles or both ?

In 1 Cor 1:17, For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, LEST the CROSS of Christ should be made of NONE EFFECT. To means this says that if Paul baptized his ministry would have none effect and would be null and void.

After saying that in v15 that he only baptized Cripus and Gaius , v 15 says lest any should say I baptized in my own name, v16 remembers that he also baptized Stephanas, now listen what Paul says NEXT,,,, I ( Paul ) know whether I baptized ANY OTHER. DID HE, Paul, LIE ?

That means that he did not baptize Lydia in Acts 16:15, OR the Philippian jailor in Acts 16:33, or those in Acts 19:1-7

In Rom 6:7 , Paul writes, He that is dead is freed ( justified ) from sin , now if we were baptized into Christ's death, than we are as He ( Christ ) dead unto sin. Why THEN do we submit our dead bodies to a water ritual from which we have already been justified by being buried with Christ by baptism into death, where there IS NO Water.

Look, MAD doctrine is a different gospel which has no foundation in the Word of God.
Your talking points above are easily refuted by a look into the letter to the Corinthians. The Corinthians were all water baptized and they were endued with power from on high and moved in all the gifts of the Spirit.
I posted this on a MAD doctrine site that I post on.

quote me:
Paul the Apostle said the Corinthian Church was the "seal" of His Apostleship.

1Cr 9:1,2 ¶Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.


MAD adherents use Paul’s letter to the Corinthians to try to prove that Paul taught a different Gospel, a separate Gospel, which denies the doctrine of Christ and rejects all Jesus’ words and commands, because MAD doctrine claims Jesus spoke only to the Jews, and they claim that they are Gentiles and only Paul spoke to Gentiles -but they wrest Scripture to their own destruction, ... MAD doctrine has no foundation established from the Word of God.

This, below, is a list of what the Church -which was the “seal of Paul’s Apostleship”- was taught by Paul and which it believed and practiced, as his own “work in the Lord“:

repentance from sin, in obedience to Jesus Christ.
believing the Gospel of Christ -the same as the twelve Apostles believed and preached

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

submitting their old man body of flesh to water baptism in obedience to Jesus Christ
receiving the enduement with power from on high, as adopted sons, in obedience to Jesus Christ.
moving in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, in obedience to Jesus Christ
speaking in tongues, praying in tongues, singing in tongues

they believed that the Gentiles who believed the Gospel among them were not to be circumcised and keep Moses when they believed in the Name of Jesus Christ, in obedience to the Holy Spirit’s admonition, as given to the Apostle’s and elders at Jerusalem, and by the letter sent to all Gentiles from them, confirming them in the One Faith as fellow members of the body of Christ; which body is His Church.

they believed that the Jews that believed the Gospel among them were not to forsake circumcision and Moses, in obedience to Jesus Christ, and this is confirmed by Paul many times, and esp when he circumcised Timothy, a half Jew, before taking Timothy into the ministry and going to the Gentiles with Paul -to take the letter to them from the Jerusalem elders and the Apostles, which letter said the Gentiles were not to be circumcised and keep Moses. -Acts 15

Maybe I’ve forgotten some, but that’s plenty to see that MAD doctrine is false, and to believe it is to endanger one’s soul, for to believe MAD, one must reject the doctrine of Christ which Paul believed and obeyed -and taught.

Paul proved His apostleship among the Corinthians by doing the signs of an apostle among them.

2Cr 12:11,12,13 ¶I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.
Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

MAD does not obey Jesus' Christ doctrine. for they claim Jesus said nothing to them [for they claim Jesus only came to speak to Jews with another Gospel other than the MAD one, which they invented out of men's imaginations]; and Paul they certainly do not obey, either, as a check into just the Corinthian letters shows.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

okay, got his one to go on after...

 

[dan p]

You have not refuted my post at all. If you could you would be able to refute 1 Cor 1:17 .

1) I know from your answer that you can not see Paul's DUAL MINISTRY, to Gentiles, Jews and Kings, that Paul presents in Acts and you surely can not see The 2 Gospels that Paul presents in Gal 2:7, which is Pauls UN-circumcision gospel and Peter's Circumcision gospel to the Jews.

You need a better grasp of the transtion book of Acts to see why Paul spoke in tongues, and healed. Have you ever noticed that after Acts 15, you will notice that the Apostles ( the 12 ) are not seen. That is a very big clue that they are being phrased OUT. It took my reading of ROBERT C Brock books on dispensationalism to wake me up. I guess you feel that Paul did LIE ?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Moderator -help! my posts are not posting after DanP's, which I made reply to.
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[yeshuasavedme]

Try again. -I see that this has now posted after Dan P's.

Look, MAD doctrine is a different gospel which has no foundation in the Word of God.
Your talking points above are easily refuted by a look into the letter to the Corinthians. The Corinthians were all water baptized and they were endued with power from on high and moved in all the gifts of the Spirit.
I posted this on a MAD doctrine site that I post on.


MAD does not obey Jesus' Christ doctrine. for they claim Jesus said nothing to them [for they claim Jesus only came to speak to Jews with another Gospel other than the MAD one, which they invented out of men's imaginations]; and Paul they certainly do not obey, either, as a check into just the Corinthian letters shows.[/quote]
Continuing on...

quote myself, on Paul's apostleship and doctrine, as taught "to the Corinthians":
1Cr 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

1Cr 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Act 18:1 ¶ After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Act 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

Act 18:11 And he continued [there] a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

- 1Cr 9:1,2 ¶Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

1Cr 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 1Cr 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

1Cr 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 1Cr 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak [this] to your shame.

1Cr 14:1 ¶ Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Cr 14:2 For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Cr 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort.1Cr 14:4 He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.1Cr 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1Cr 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual [gifts], seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

1Cr 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

1Cr 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
1Cr 14:27 If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret.
1Cr 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Cr 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

1Cr 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1Cr 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
1Cr 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Danp,
I know from your posts that you cannot see Jesus Christ's ministry to Jews and to Gentiles. To Jews first; Gentiles last, when He walked the earth as the Light come to the Gentiles. One Gospel to all nations, Jews and Gentiles which Everlasting Gospel was given as Living Oracles for His own namesake people of the New Man name which He was to come in [which name is Israel] for them to rehearse until they were all fulfilled.

The Atonement was fulfilled for all men, once. It is done, and Israel's High Priest, anointed to serve in the office of Christ by the oil of Anointing, rehearsed it once, yearly, in type and shadow. I have written you about that but the blinders of MAD prevent you from discovering the Truth of the Teaching which was only given to the people of the Name to rehearse until He came who fulfilled it for all people, for the Jew first, and for the Gentile last; that all may come into the presence of the Holy Creator by that Acceptable Sacrifice [the Atonement], where the Glory dwells, by that "Acceptable Sacrifice", which was the final Atonement. That is the lesson in the "Tutor's" instruction.
Paul the Apostle wrote extensively about this, in the Greek translated to English, but those ignorant of the Oracles which were given only to the Namesake people try to make a different religion out of the finished work which was completed once, for all; but the Salvation Jesus came to give all men is "Of the Jews", and to the Oracles one must go to learn the truth of Jesus Christ's work for all men.
MAD misses the mark by a universe, as I have said.
You need to throw off MAD doctrine and "seek the LORD while He may be found, in this Day of Salvation to all men". MAD teaches you to disovey and reject JEsus Christ's doctrine/words; to reject Jesus words is to reject Jesus Himself.
Paul created by MAD is a false Paul and the doctrine taught by MAD is a false doctrine, as I continuously have shown.

My previous post which I quoted above tells it all. The Corinthians were the true Paul's "Seal of Apostleship". Paul taught them the One Gospel.

You in MAD are the ones making Paul's letters more than what they are, but Paul's letters are not "Gospel" to anyone, as Paul did not write to sinners and Paul only wrote only to born again in Christ water baptized, circumcised Jews and uncircumcised Gentiles, who were all endued with the power from on high which Jesus gives to His sons, who are adopted into His "Church", which Church is His "Body".
All the people Paul wrote to moved in the gifts of the Spirit and did not forbid to speak in tongues. MAD does forbid to speak in tongues; MAD rejects the One Baptism which is second birth in Spirit. MAD then of course also rejects water baptism for the born again in Spirit believers' dead Adam bodies of flesh, because they reject second birth of Spirit.
MAD rejects the gifts of the Spirit for Believers who are born again in Christ [whcih gifts -enduement with power from on high- are not for those who are not sons by adoption, anyway, so the point is moot]. Paul taught the Believers in Christ to seek them.

MAD rejects circumcised Jews as members of the Body of Christ, which is His Church. Paul told the circumsiced Jews in the body of Christ to not forsake circumcision [Moses].
MAD claims that they are Gentiles in the body of Christ, but that there are no Jews in the body of Christ -and they have no Scripture written to themselves by that claim. But Paul learned -powerfully- that the body of Christ was the Church, of which Jesus is the Head/Chief/Firstborn of, and Paul learned that fact when Paul was given the revelation of Jesus on the road to Damascus when he was going to persecute Jesus' body/the Church. Jesus asked him; [Act 9:4] "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Nope! MAD does not follow Paul. The true Paul, who was a Jew "in" the body of Christ by second birth and obedience to Jesus, who circumcised Timothy, a half Jew, AFTER the Jerusalem elders and Apostles declared that Gentiles did not have to be circumcised and keep Moses, who came into the Faith =Church/Body of Christ.

And MAD certainly does not follow Jesus, as the true Paul did.

 

[dan p]

Hi, YSM. It took a long time to see what Paul was talking about in Gal 2: 7, and there are 2 gospels mentioned here.

Give me a verse where your author mentions ONE GOSPEL please ?

2) I also disagree with your BORN AGAIN statement . I SEE it used of Israel but not of the Body of Christ.

3) Where does Paul use those WORDS , BORN AGAIN ? Can you give a verse ?

 

[bling]

Dan P said:

In 1 Cor 1:17, For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, LEST the CROSS of Christ should be made of NONE EFFECT. To means this says that if Paul baptized his ministry would have none effect and would be null and void.
You have not refuted my post at all. If you could you would be able to refute 1 Cor 1:17 .

Dan, I tried to explain part of it with:
Paul came to the understanding that it was not good for him personally to do the water baptizing for the same reason Christ did not water baptize, but those with Christ were exceeding even John and his disciples in baptizing. The same could have been happening with Paul. The physical act of being the baptizer takes time and energy and is something the novice Christian can easily do and should be doing. Read the context in which Paul makes this statement.

You always have to keep everything in context. The “wisdom of men” is being refer to by “being made none effective”. Look at the very next verse to see what Paul is referring to: 1 Cor. 1: 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. Paul is not saying: “If I baptize the cross is made none effective” or is he saying: “baptism is wisdom of words”. You are trying to put a spin on this verse.

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[yeshuasavedme]

...

2) I also disagree with your BORN AGAIN statement . I SEE it used of Israel but not of the Body of Christ.

3) Where does Paul use those WORDS , BORN AGAIN ? Can you give a verse ?

I have given you verses again and again, but MAD adherrents are stuck on "St..-st...-st... uh ....you know. We have to be nice here. Sigh! sometimes nice is boring.

The whole theme of Salvation/Redemption is about being adopted as sons of God in the Living Spirit. He was always to come and He is come, in flesh, to be the Head/Firstborn of the New Man race of human being sons of God. The entire Word of God is filled with the theme. The promise of the Spirit of Life was promised to AbraHAm at his name change; and to Jacob and his seed at Jacob's name change to that name of the New Man, as a sign of the adoption =second birth of spirit- which was to come.

YHWH in the second person, the WORD, is come in flesh as the second "MAN =Hebrew 'Isyh" of creation, and He is EL-ELOHE-ISRAEL who gave His New Man name of the Adoption, to come, to Jacob and his seed.. Israel after that was always "My Firstborn", as YHWH told Pharoah.

Adoption pertains to Israel, and we Gentiles get grafted into thatName and Spirit of the "Plant of Righteousness" =the New/Second Man, by being joined to His Living Spirit. That is being "born from above" which a teacher in Israel, Nicodemas was rebuked by Jesus for not understanding -John 3.




Paul said: Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Jesus said: Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you orphans[Greek orphanos]: I will come to you.

Isaiah said: Isa 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

His position as the Firstborn/Head, of second Man creation is that of the Everlasting Father of the second Man creation, who will never leave us "orphans".
Jesus said: Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you orphans[Greek orphanos]: I will come to you.

Paul said the Adoption pertains to Israel: Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;

Paul said: Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Paul said: 1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Malachi said Adam was made male and female, one Spirit, because YHWH sought "sons of God' =godly seed [Malachi 2:15] by the multiplying of Adam as commanded in Genesis 1.

In Adam all die, in Christ all [whosoever will] are made alive.

If you refuse second birth of Spirit [being born again as Jesus said all human beings born in Adam, must be], then you are not a son of God in Spirit and you will never receive the adoption of body =regeneration of body/second birth of body, in the image of the New Man.
If you will not be born again in Christ, then you are dead in Adam.

Those who are born again in Christ submit the dead Adam flesh they are wearing -in obedience to Jesus Christ- to water baptism, in faith that the dead Adam flesh is crucified with Christ, was buried with Christ, and will rise in Christ. -Paul spoke of being baptized for the dead [body], subjecting it in hope to the resurrection in Christ, as one becomes adopted into Christ's Living Spirit. All those who are born again in Christ subject the body of Adam flesh to the hope in Christ's resurrection by water baptism, as Jesus commanded. Paul did, and all the Corinthians did, as all the NT believers did.
Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Phl 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1Jo 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you orphans: I will come to you.
Jhn 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Paul said: Rom 8:16,17 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.
Eph 2: 4, 5 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, **hath made us alive together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) -**Greek syzōopoieō 1) to make one alive together

Jhn 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Paul said: Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.