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The only evidence given that I have seen is not convincing from a scientific point of view. It usually involves many assumptions about "conditions before the flood" which are not backed up with evidence, but which are necessary to explain how the global flood could be literal.Does that mean
a. there is no evidence for it anywhere;
b. we have not found evidence in every place we look for evidence;
c. no evidence counts unless it explains every single question raised by those who don't believe in a literal genesis or simply; or
d. there is some evidence, but not a preponderance of evidence for a global flood?
I think that helps to clarify the nature of the debate.
We are talking about evidence for a global flood. There is no reason we have to look everywhere before concluding there was no evidence for a global flood, just as even a quick search of a room will show there is no elephant there. Maybe if we check behind the sofa or under a cushion we might find evidence?Does that mean
a. there is no evidence for it anywhere;
b. we have not found evidence in every place we look for evidence;
Or rather that geologists don't find glaring problems with the claim.c. no evidence counts unless it explains every single question raised by those who don't believe in a literal genesis or simply; or
No.d. there is some evidence, but not a preponderance of evidence for a global flood?
Weren't we talking about termite mounds? They're built of dirt. The same dirt that covers them in a flood. There's nothing to rot! Of course since the dirt they're built with is 'glued' together with termite spit, it ends up quite a bit harder than sedementary deposits and erosion leaves the really cool picture Mallon posted.Yes, but they don't just have to be buried. One of the dirty little secrets of fossilization is that burial in ordinary dirt doesn't fossilize, it rots. You need the right combination of stuff to fossilize. I need to find out more about this (what mineral(s), etc.). Of course, the global flood model answers this just fine in that the needed materials could be dissolved in the general flood.
Is that what went wrong in Baghdad?(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
I have never seen the bible say the earth is flat, but I have read that^ in it.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Jesus mentioned the flood so yes it was real, however i can't imagine it being worldwide....but it is possible with God.
Does that mean
a. there is no evidence for it anywhere;
b. we have not found evidence in every place we look for evidence;
c. no evidence counts unless it explains every single question raised by those who don't believe in a literal genesis or simply; or
d. there is some evidence, but not a preponderance of evidence for a global flood?
What's "ordinary dirt"? Please elaborate. Do the quartzite-rich siliciclastics of the Morrison Formation, in which the termite mounds are preserved, count as "ordinary dirt"? (Hint: read a bit about how "ordinary dirt" -- i.e. soil -- is formed. It is not precipitated out of water.)Yes, but they don't just have to be buried. One of the dirty little secrets of fossilization is that burial in ordinary dirt doesn't fossilize, it rots.
I just provided you with a butt-load of evidence that completely contradicts the global flood hypothesis, but you're still going about as though it still explains anything? Floods do not -- indeed, cannot -- deposit paleosols as we see in the Paleozoic/Mesozoic, pop! I'm sorry, but your "global flood model" provides no answers. In fact, it strikes me that the creationist past-time of trying to relegate Noah's Flood to increasingly smaller sections of the fossil record in testament to God's magic is yet another example of god-of-the-gap theology.Of course, the global flood model answers this just fine in that the needed materials could be dissolved in the general flood.
If you are saying"Why did a bunch of animals die at the same time and really quickly" , first of all, what time eriod are you talking about, where is the evidence of this happening, what did the people who found this have to say about it?
Provide any links to anything that said that and I will be thankful. Plus I will read it.
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It only makes sense if you ignore reality, shut your eyes and say "la la la la" if anyone tries to tell you that your reading of the Bible as if it were some kind of science text book might actually be false.Yet, it makes sense in light of the Bible.
Might I add that all the evidence is against anyone coming back to life, after having been dead a couple of days?There is no truth in a literal reading of the Flood myth. It's a lie.
I'm sure you're aware of the contradiction here -- in fact we do NOT have physical evidence that Jesus was not resurrected. Remember, science deals with physical causes so while science might conclude that living organisms that die do not generally come back to life, because it is science, the conclusion is actually, "living organisms that die do not generally come back to life due to physical causes."Might I add that all the evidence is against anyone coming back to life, after having been dead a couple of days?
Unlike the theories surrounding millions and millions of years of evolution, you can test death again and again and again. The evidence for not rising from death is much stronger than the evidence used to hypothesize millions of years of evolution. It's been scientifically proven, through millions of 'experiments', that you cannot rise from death. Therefore, the Bible must be wrong in this case. There must is no truth in a literal reading in the resurrection myth. It has to be a lie.
SNAPOf course, if we had Jesus' body and could show that he most certainly WAS dead, we could disprove the resurrection in a heartbeat. This is actually what happened with regards to a global flood -- we have all the evidence (preserved in the ground) and it shows that there was no global flood. Thus an interpretation of scriptures that takes those passages as historical must be in error.
Rut, I think your insistance that "sudden-death" fossils necessarily indicate a global flood is misplaced. Moreoever, I think you will find other YECs here, like laptoppop, who will agree with me (since, according to "global flood models", the Flood wasn't necessarily violent. Nor are mammoths found in Paleozoic/Mesozoic rocks, which YECs ).I`m suprised that you haven`t learn that in school.We have leraned it here in Norway.I have seen this kind of animals too when I was in Russia.I shall see if I can find any links but I`m not sure if I can post it here.I post one links one time and then the mod take it away.That`s why I`m careful to do that.
You can maybe read about one of the animals for yourself It`s the mammoths
What is more importantthat people believe an interpretation of Genesis 1-11 that destroys the credibility of the Bible causing them to reject the message of the gospel and be eternally lost, or that people believe the message of the gospel resulting in their salvation because the Bible is being taught to them in an accurate manner than does not destroy its credibility?
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