did Noahs Ark really happen?

[f91sync]

How is it possible that Noah fit two of ever species onto his ark and how big was it? The dinosaur section alone musta been as big as a modern ocean liner.

 

[Breetai]

How is it possible that Noah fit two of ever species onto his ark and how big was it? The dinosaur section alone musta been as big as a modern ocean liner.

I suggest you read in the Book of Genesis how large it was, and how many 'species' it really had to carry. There are plenty of different explanations that show ways this would, in fact, be possible.

As a Christian, you ought to be looking at these possibilities; not setting a message board on fire by asking set-up questions.

 

[Iollain]

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,


Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.



Jesus mentioned the flood so yes it was real, however i can't imagine it being worldwide....but it is possible with God.

 

[freespiritchurch]

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,


Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.



Jesus mentioned the flood so yes it was real, however i can't imagine it being worldwide....but it is possible with God.

I've never understood this argument: "Jesus mentioned it, so it must be literally true."

I believe that the Bible is there to teach us about God. So when I read a Bible passage, I want to know what it teaches us about God. One thing the flood tells is that God can allow evil to go unpunished for a long time, and then suddenly bring judgment upon it--and that the judgment can be cataclysmic.

Jesus is warning people that they can't be evil and secure at the same time. Just like Noah's neighbors, they're living in mortal danger without knowing it...and the other shoe could drop at any moment.

God decided that the story of the deluge was the best way to make this point when He inspired Genesis; why wouldn't He continue to use that story when He came in the flesh?

 

[Iollain]

.......well something happened to wipe out those people.


Irenaeus believed there was a flood:

19. Until judgment came upon the world from God by means of a flood, in the tenth generation from the first-formed (man); Noah alone being found righteous. And he for his righteousness was himself delivered, and his wife and his three sons, and the three wives of his sons, being shut up in the ark. And when destruction came upon all, both man and also animals, that were upon the earth, that which was preserved in the ark escaped. Now the three sons of Noah were Shem, Ham and Japheth, from whom again the race was multiplied: for these were the beginning of mankind after the flood.

20. Now of these one fell under a curse, and the two (others) inherited a blessing by reason of their works. For the younger of them,53 who was called Ham, having mocked his father, and having been |87 condemned of the sin of impiety because of his outrage and unrighteousness against his father, received a curse; and all the posterity that came of him he involved in the curse; whence it came about that his whole race after him were accursed, and in sins they increased and multiplied. But Shem and Japheth, his brothers, because of their piety towards their father obtained a blessing. Now the curse of Ham, wherewith his father Noah cursed him, is this: Cursed be Ham the child; 54 a servant shall he be unto his brethren.55 This having come upon his race, he begat many descendants upon the earth, (even) for fourteen generations, growing up in a wild condition; and then his race was cut off by God, being delivered up to judgment. For the Canaanites and Hittites and Peresites and Hivites and Amorites and Jebusites and Gergasites and Sodomites, the Arabians also and the dwellers in Phoenicia, all the Egyptians and the Libyans,56 are of the posterity of Ham, who have fallen under the curse; for the curse is of long duration over the ungodly.

22. Now after the Flood God made a covenant with all the world, even with every living thing of animals and of men, that He would no more destroy with a flood all that grew upon the earth. And He set them a sign (saying): When the sky shall be covered with a cloud, the bow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will remember my covenant, and will no more destroy by water every moving thing upon the earth.64 And He changed the food of men, giving them leave to eat flesh: for from Adam the first-formed until the Flood men ate only of seeds and the fruit of trees, and to eat flesh was not permitted to them. But since the three sons of Noah were the beginning of a race of men, God blessed them for multiplication and increase, saying: Increase and multiply, and replenish the earth and rule it; and the fear and dread of you shall be upon every living thing of animals and upon all the fowls of the air; and they shall be to you for meat, even as the green herb: but the flesh with the blood of life ye shall not eat: for your blood also will I requite at the hand of all beasts and at the hand of man. Whoso sheddeth a man's blood, in return for his blood shall it be shed.65 For He made man the |90 image of God; and the image of God is the Son, after whose image man was made: and for this cause He appeared in the end of the times that He might show the image (to be) like unto Himself. According to this covenant the race of man multiplied, springing up from the seed of the three. And upon the earth was one lip, that is to say one language.66



http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/fathers/irenaeus_02_proof.htm#81

 

[Breetai]

I've never understood this argument: "Jesus mentioned it, so it must be literally true."

Because in the context he mentioned it, it has to be true to make sense. Otherwise, Jesus was just full of it.

Do you have a hard time believing that Jesus rose from death, that he actually went up into the clouds, that he will come again and literally change the face of the earth... again, that Moses was real, that Sodom and Gomorrah were real, that sin is real...

Where do you draw the line? Do you just pick and choose? When you take away the literal true of the Bible, you loose the reason for sin, death... and the gospel itself. Christ's death becomes pointless.

You can look at virtually all of the church fathers and Christian scholars, and they'll all agree that this was for real. It was only in modern times, with the advent of higher-criticism/hyper-criticism (which was really people believing man's word over God's Word) that Christians really started to doubt that the Bible was true.

 

[laptoppop]

Yes the flood really happened, and yes, God caused 2 of every kind of animal to come on board. It doesn't say that they were fully developed, and so infant dinosaurs could easily have been what God put on board.

The ark was absolutely huge, and could hold a lot.

There is also the question of feeding and caring for so many animals. One thing that has been proposed is that God caused the animals to go into hibernation. However, this is speculation.

 

[KerrMetric]

Complete fiction the way the Bible states it.

 

[gluadys]

Where do you draw the line? Do you just pick and choose? When you take away the literal true of the Bible, you loose the reason for sin, death... and the gospel itself. Christ's death becomes pointless.

I have never understood this argument. Does taking away an alleged reason for sin take away sin itself? Does taking away an alleged reason for death mean death itself no longer happens?

Whatever reasons we assign to explain why sin and death exist, the fact remains that sin is real and death is real. So long as sin and death are real, how is Christ's death pointless?

We can be wrong about the reasons sin and death exist, but that does not make them unreal or vitiate Christ's death of its purpose.

You can look at virtually all of the church fathers and Christian scholars, and they'll all agree that this was for real. It was only in modern times, with the advent of higher-criticism/hyper-criticism (which was really people believing man's word over God's Word) that Christians really started to doubt that the Bible was true.

Of course, all these people also lived before scientific investigation of the facts. Most of the science which cast doubt on a literal interpretation was developed by Christians who had no motivation to doubt the bible was true.

And they did not decide the bible was untrue. They decided our interpretation of the bible was fallible and needed to be changed to conform to the facts they were discovering.

PS before you cast aspersions on "higher criticism" (more properly called form criticism, redaction criticism, source criticism, linguistic analysis, etc. depending on the type of critique involved) you might take a course in which the methods are discussed so you know how the conclusions are arrived at. Otherwise, your opposition is based on ignorance.

 

[ContentInHim]

Perhaps the dinosaurs were already extinct at the time of Noah.

 

[elsbeth]

I doubt very much if the story is literally true because science doesn't seem to back up a GLOBAL flood. It's more likely that the story was based on a large, local flood. That said-It makes absolutely no difference to my faith. We can still draw spiritual truth from the story, even if it isn't literal history.

 

[Assyrian]

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,


Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.



Jesus mentioned the flood so yes it was real, however i can't imagine it being worldwide....but it is possible with God.

However Jesus didn't mention anything about it being worldwide, so that shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Rut]

How is it possible that Noah fit two of ever species onto his ark and how big was it? The dinosaur section alone musta been as big as a modern ocean liner.

I can see that can be little confusing but if you read a few translation you can maybe understand little better I look up King James because that was nearly same as the norwegan translation said

Genesis

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

The explanation I have got was that the dinosaurs belongs to the lizard family so instead to take a dinosaurs Noah could take a little one

 

[Rut]

I doubt very much if the story is literally true because science doesn't seem to back up a GLOBAL flood. It's more likely that the story was based on a large, local flood. That said-It makes absolutely no difference to my faith. We can still draw spiritual truth from the story, even if it isn't literal history.

Maybe the sicence back it up without to know it.They agree that a big catastrophe have happen in a time.The
archaeology have found animals that have food in the mouth that was suddenly dead.Can that be from the Global flood even if we call it the ice time? If you think about physics and how the earth was on that time.

 

[Deamiter]

Regarding Jesus' words, I love how he uses exactly the same phrase, "destroyed them all" when talking about Sodom and the flood in the same chapter (Luke 17)

By itself, it certainly isn't evidence that Jesus accepted a local flood, but it is FAR from supporting the claim that in context, Jesus could not have been talking about a local event.

In any case, the point has nothing to do with how many were killed in a flood, but with describing God's wrath. Whether a city, a floodplain or the whole Earth, God will destroy those he is displeased with when Jesus returns.

 

[gluadys]

Perhaps the dinosaurs were already extinct at the time of Noah.

Of course. And why the focus on dinosaurs? There are plenty of other animals that also disappeared before humans ever appeared on earth. Trilobites disappeared even before dinosaurs did. Ammonites disappeared around the same time as dinosaurs. We have no evidence that humans ever observed a living Archeopteryx or Ichthyostega either.

So even if one could show that dinosaurs survived into human history, there are a lot more extinctions that still suggest a long earth history prior to human existence.

Oh, and that is also omitting the fact that not all dinosaurs became extinct 65 mya. Some dinosaurs became extinct before that. Not all dinosaurs were contemporaneous with each other. T-rex didn't show up until the Cretaceous, by which time many other dinosaur species were already extinct.

 

[DaApostle]

Maybe the sicence back it up without to know it.They agree that a big catastrophe have happen in a time.The
archaeology have found animals that have food in the mouth that was suddenly dead.Can that be from the Global flood even if we call it the ice time? If you think about physics and how the earth was on that time.

There is absolutely no geological evidence of a major world flood.
None.
And that doesn't even begin to mention the facts of how this happened.

 

[laptoppop]

There is absolutely no geological evidence of a major world flood.
None.
And that doesn't even begin to mention the facts of how this happened.

For the record - there is a huge amount of evidence for a global flood. Most of the geologic column was formed in the flood.

So - we have evidence (the geologic column). We have two groups of people interpreting the evidence differently. Rather than making dogmatic disputed statements, the conversation is better served by working through the evidence together and seeing which model fits the evidence better.

 

[artybloke]

For the record - there is a huge amount of evidence for a global flood. Most of the geologic column was formed in the flood.

However much you repeat this nonsense doesn't make it true.

 

[Breetai]

However much you repeat this nonsense doesn't make it true.

Yet, it makes sense in light of the Bible.