didaskalos said:
This is a direct quote from the E.W. Kenyon website:
"...In his book A Different Gospel, author D.R. McConnell goes to some length to show that Kenneth Hagin plagiarized the writings of E. W. Kenyon. Some have contacted the office of Kenyons Gospel Publishing Society quite irritated about this situation. So what is our response?
First of all, it must be noted that Kenneth Hagin, to the best of my knowledge does not actually write his books. What I mean by this is that his books are for the most part transcriptions of his speaking ministry. Someone transcribes the taped messages and then they are edited and put into book form. Those who are preachers understand that it is impossible to stop and credit everyone who influenced your message while you are preaching. As someone who has been preaching and teaching for around 20 years, I shudder to think what would happen if I were called upon to remember each author or speaker who had influenced any given message I teach.
That theory has been put forward before, but has not been yet substainated to be true. No evidence has been put forward that Hagin's apparent plagiarisms weren't just that, but were, instead, transcriptions from him speaking. For Hagin to have sentences in his sermons, that were later transcribed and put into book form, Hagin must have copied down what Kenyon wrote and preached them from his sermon notes.
What dosen't change, though, is that when Hagin later wrote the eight books linked to at the beginning of this thread into book form, he should have credited Kenyon.
All of what you linked to, didaskalos, is really just a smokescreen. What really matters, is that when those books of Hagin's(8) were analyzed, they were found to have multiple undocumented sentences from Kenyon. Yet, Hagin did not come out and credit Kenyon. Hagin could have later, but didn't. Amazing how everyone could that lots of what Hagin wrote(in those eight books) was, in fact, from Kenyon. Yet Hagin still did not bring himself to credit Kenyon. Anyone can see what Hagin said. I have listed that quote from Hagin more than once on this thread.
didaskalos said:
Anyone listening to me preach who was familiar with E.W. Kenyon would recognize many of his ideas in my preaching. The thoughtful listener would also recognize many other influences in my speaking ministry. This would be confirmed by my personal library of books and tapes.
One respected Charismatic leader, who has since gone on to be with the Lord, said of E.W. Kenyon that he was often quoted, yet seldom footnoted. Many people have absorbed his phrases and echoed his ideas. I have heard Kenneth Hagin personally testify to the fact that many of the phrases he has used and ideas he has taught, he heard from some other preachers before he ever heard of E.W. Kenyon. It is quite possible that they were quoting Kenyon and using his material and Kenneth Hagin didnt know the original source. Liking the sound of the phrases, Hagin added them to his preaching vocabulary.
Hagin has noted that he has an almost photographic memory. Reading or hearing something once was all that was necessary for him to recall it verbatim. Every preacher wishes he had this ability! Most of us remember what we can but seldom remember where we heard it. But most preachers have no need to become paranoid about someone chastising us for quoting another author or preacher in our messages and being accused of plagiarism either! Brother Hagin has not been so fortunate.
None of what you said would be an issue if Hagin had come out and credited Kenyon when he had the chance. The question isn't how Kenyon's phrases got into Hagin's books.The question is how Hagin dealt with the issue, once it was raised by D.R. McConnell. Hagin, it could be said, pulled a 'Clinton': Deny, Deny, Deny. Look at the quote from hagin once again.
Hagin
Kenyon's influence on my ministry has been minute...I absolutely deny any metaphysical influences from Kenyon
didaskalos said:
A third point: Kenneth Hagin published a book titled The Name of Jesus. The book was taken from tapes of a seminar where he taught through Kenyons book The Wonderful Name of Jesus. He credits Kenyon both on the tapes and in the introduction to the book. He worked, through his editor, with Kenyons Gospel Publishing Society and had the complete approval of Ruth Kenyon Housworth (Kenyons late daughter) for the book when it went to print. Hagins ministry has always maintained a good relationship with Kenyons Gospel Publishing Society. One of Kenyons books is used in the curriculum at Hagins Rhema Bible Training Center.
We consider Kenneth E. Hagin to be a great man of God. If E.W. Kenyon were here today, he and Hagin would probably be good friends. And from his vantage point in heaven, Kenyon is probably delighted that Kenneth E. Hagin has been so successful in getting the message of faith, so dear to Kenyons heart, out to so many in the world in this generation.
If Kenyon himself wouldnt be bothered about it all, why should anyone else? ..."
Hagin, in the quote I listed earlier in the thread, did state that Kenyon did have an influence on him when it came to the teachings on the name of Jesus. Hence, Hagin's apparent crediting of Kenyon on The Wonderful Name Of Jesus.
Regardless of what Kenyon's daughter said, or did not say, or what Kenyon's website says, even if they have no problem with Hagin's apparent plagiarism of Kenyon's writings. That still does not change the fact that Hagin, when given the chance later, apparently did not credit Kenyon, but, instead, it seems, stated that Kenyon's influnce on his ministry had been minute. When one looks at how much Hgain apparently copied word-for-word from Kenyon, you can see that Kenyon's influence on Hagin weren't minute but were instead substantial..
Kenneth Hagin
Kenyon's influence on my ministry has been minute...I absolutely deny any metaphysical influences from Kenyon.
Again, why would Hagin copy word-for-word from a man(Kenyon) that he himself, out of the words of his own mouth, considered to be a metaphysicist?
Why would Hagin even take the chance?
