did Judas actually cast out demons

[true2theword]

It appears from scripture that Jesus sent the disciples out 2 by 2 and they came back reporting that demons obeyed them, the sick were healed and all sorts of amazing things were done by the power of the Holy Spirit.

there appears to be whole denominations that don't believe Judas was apart of this ministry and that while he was with the twelve he never was one of them, can you imagine ministering with someone for three years and not witnessing any power of the Holy Spirit in that persons ministry and deciding to put that person in charge of all your money

 

[Lion King]

Yes, he did.

The Scriptures do say that Judas Iscariot, along with the rest of the disciples, were given the power to cast out demons, heal the sick etc by Jesus Christ:

And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. Matthew 10:1-4

 

[true2theword]

Yes, he did.

The Scriptures do say that Judas Iscariot, along with the rest of the disciples, were given the power to cast out demons, heal the sick etc by Jesus Christ:

And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. Matthew 10:1-4

I'm sure he did to, my point is people can operate in the power of the Holy Spirit, and then find themselves on judgement day being told "depart from me you who practice lawlessness"

just as Hebrews teaches also that once people have tasted the heavenly gift should they fall away from the faith that it was impossible to be brought back to repentance

So I'm led to believe two things, one: people can operate in the gifts and not be in line with God's will and two: people can have believed and have received the gifts of the Holy Spirit and fall away from the faith

 

[Clare73]

I'm sure he did to, my point is people can operate in the power of the Holy Spirit, and then find themselves on judgement day being told "depart from me you who practice lawlessness"

just as Hebrews teaches also that once people have tasted the heavenly gift should they fall away from the faith that it was impossible to be brought back to repentance

So I'm led to believe two things, one: people can operate in the gifts and not be in line with God's will and two:
people can have believed and have received the gifts of the Holy Spirit and fall away from the faith

Yes, for operating in the gifts occurs by those of counterfeit faith, as well as by those of saving faith, from which one cannot fall because Jesus and the Father personally keep/preserve them (Jn 10:28-29)..

In the faith,
Clare

 

[true2theword]

Yes, for operating in the gifts occurs by those of counterfeit faith, as well as by those of saving faith, from which one cannot fall because Jesus and the Father personally keep/preserve them.

In the faith,
Clare

what is the counterfeit faith when those you call counterfeit declare that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the cross for the remission of our sins, was buried and raised to life three days later who now sits at the right hand of God the Father

 

[Clare73]

what is the counterfeit faith when those you call counterfeit declare that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the cross for the remission of our sins, was buried and raised to life three days later who now sits at the right hand of God the Father

Counterfeit faith is not born again.

Those who are born again into sonship with Jesus Christ are personally kept/preserved by Jesus and the Father from falling fatally (Jn 10:28-29).

In the faith,
Clare

 

[true2theword]

Counterfeit faith is not born again.

In the faith,
Clare

So believing Jesus is the Son of God and died for our sins, raised back to life the third day and is now sitting next to God the Father waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool is not enough?

 

[Clare73]

So believing Jesus is the Son of God and died for our sins, raised back to life the third day and is now sitting next to God the Father waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool is not enough?

Satan believes all those facts.

No one is a son of God if they are not born again (Jn 3:5-7).

In the faith,
Clare

 

[Lion King]

Satan believes all those facts.

No one is a son of God if they are not born again (Jn 3:5-7).

In the faith,
Clare

So, what does it take for one to be saved?

 

[Lion King]

So believing Jesus is the Son of God and died for our sins, raised back to life the third day and is now sitting next to God the Father waiting for His enemies to be made His footstool is not enough?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

It's enough.

 

[Lion King]

I'm sure he did to, my point is people can operate in the power of the Holy Spirit, and then find themselves on judgement day being told "depart from me you who practice lawlessness"

just as Hebrews teaches also that once people have tasted the heavenly gift should they fall away from the faith that it was impossible to be brought back to repentance

So I'm led to believe two things, one: people can operate in the gifts and not be in line with God's will and two: people can have believed and have received the gifts of the Holy Spirit and fall away from the faith

Personally, I believe it's both.

1. For the 1st one, you have Balaam, who had the gift of prophecy, but still did not do as the LORD instructed him.

2. For the 2nd one, you have Saul and Judas Iscariot, both of whom had the Spirit of God, but ultimately fell away.

 

[spitoutthekoolaid]

In my flesh, I was terrified of not being "saved". I wanted to KNOW I was saved, not going to be eternally punished, etc and so forth. I tried my best to repent, follow all laws, etc and so forth.

When I began to walk in the Spirit, I was amazed .... it was like I was a child, a son, etc.

But I began to see even my own spirit crave to be like a "god", and even in my hatred of the world, I began to trivialize it. I began to glory in spiritual things, while detesting PEOPLE. I began to view them as cattle, sheep, animals.

I saw what I was doing, and it terrified me, because I realized that even spirits who believe in God, acknowledge Jesus as Lord and King, and exercise power and authority ... these spirits can become prideful, wayward, rebellious towards God, etc and so forth. Not just fallen spirits, but my own as well.

My flesh and sin nature .... obvious. My sprit, in the ways I wanted to use it .... not so obvious.

I look at people like David, Peter, John the Baptist, Jonah .... I have a sense of kinship. I look at Saul, Judas .... I have fear. The prodigal son ... I hurt for him, but rejoice with him at the same time. His brother ... stands as a warning I think.

 

[Clare73]

So, what does it take for one to be saved?

One must be born again (Jn 3:5-7).

In the faith,
Clare

 

[true2theword]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

It's enough.

its not enough if your a believer in the OSAS doctrine

 

[Lion King]

One must be born again (Jn 3:5-7).

In the faith,
Clare

How is one born again?

 

[Lion King]

its not enough if your a believer in the OSAS doctrine

I never understood the OSAS doctrine..probably never will.

 

[Clare73]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

It's enough.

Yes, it's enough because only those who are born again truly believe in the Son (Jn 3:5-7).

In the faith,
Clare

 

[Lion King]

Yes, it's enough because only those who born again truly believe in the Son (Jn 3:5-7).

In the faith,
Clare

How is one born again?

 

[Clare73]

Personally, I believe it's both.

1. For the 1st one, you have Balaam, who had the gift of prophecy, but still did not do as the LORD instructed him.

2. For the 2nd one, you have Saul and Judas Iscariot, both of whom had the Spirit of God, but ultimately fell away.

Operating by the Spirit does not mean one is born again according to Jesus (Mt 7:21-23).

In the faith,
Clare

 

[Lion King]

Operating by the Spirit does not mean one is born again according to Jesus (Mt 7:21-23).

In the faith,
Clare

How does one differentiate a born again person from a non-born again person?


PS. You never answered my question btw (post #15 and #18).