Did Jesus use a bulletin?

[jenley]

We are doing Common Service in the morning
But it is not page 15 in CW (bad secretary, can't remember what page and I just typed the bulletin up Tuesday)

It is page 15...

 

[PreachersWife2004]

It is page 15...

I was gonna say that I fully remember when they brought out the supplement there was a big to-do about the fact that page 15 was still gonna be common service - for all the old fuddy duddies that could only remember that service!!

 

[DaRev]

I was gonna say that I fully remember when they brought out the supplement there was a big to-do about the fact that page 15 was still gonna be common service - for all the old fuddy duddies that could only remember that service!!

So the Common Service in CW is the same as TLH p. 15?

 

[jenley]

Yes it is

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Yep. I think the wording might be different...updated I suppose. I don't know where my TLH is to verify so don't quote me on that.

So the Common Service in CW is the same as TLH p. 15?

 

[DaRev]

Yep. I think the wording might be different...updated I suppose. I don't know where my TLH is to verify so don't quote me on that.

I was gonna say, the copy of CW that I've seen didn't have anything in it that was familiar to me. The new LSB contains the page 15 service. The only difference is the way the creed is worded, "sits" and "proceeds" instead of "sitteth" and "proceedeth", Holy Spirit instead of Holy Ghost, and "living" instead of "quick". The liturgical elements and music are the same as TLH p. 15.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Yep, here's page 15:

There is an introductory paragraph on the history of the Common Service. It starts out with a hymn and then goes into the invocation:

M: In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

and we sing Amen.

Then it's the confession of sins. Here is the first spot that may be updated, but again, not sure. The words are as follows:

Holy and Merciful Father, I confess that I am by nature sinful and that I have disobeyed you in my thoughts, words, and actions. I have done what is evil and failed to do what is good. For this I deserve your punishment both now and in eternity. But I am truly sorry for my sins, and trusting in my Savior Jesus Christ, I pray, Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.

We then sing Lord have mercy on us. I think the wording in TLH uses the word upon us rather than simply on us.

Next page is the pastor giving the forgiveness through the power of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

We then sing Glory Be to God (Gloria in Excelsis). I KNOW the words have been updated here.

Then we have the prayer of the day on the next page (17) which starts out with the pastor saying "The Lord be with you" and we sing "and also with you".

Then we have the readings and the psalm.

Page 18 includes the verse of the day with the alleluia.

We have the gospel, followed by the Nicene or Apostles Creed (for us it depended on whether it was a communion Sunday or not)

On 19 we have the hymn of the day followed by the sermon.

Page 20 is Create in me a clean heart (one of my favorites) and the wording has been updated.

Offering follows, and then the prayer of the church, followed by the Lord's prayer.

From there we either go to the Sacrament on 21 or we go to page 25 for the closing of the service.

The Sacrament wording has also been updated. We still have the Holy Holy Holy (Sanctus) and the O Christ Lamb of God (Agnus Dei) and the Nunc Dimittis.


Hopefully this helps. Otherwise it was a nice little exercise for me since our church only does common service on the fifth Sunday. I wish we did it more, but we use Service of the Word (Pg. 38) on non-communion Sundays and Service of the Word and Sacrament (Pg. 26) for communion Sundays and then Morning Praise for the 4th Sunday. It does make for a nice rotation of the services. Oh, we also use Evening Worship for our lenten services.

 

[DaRev]

Yep, here's page 15:

There is an introductory paragraph on the history of the Common Service. It starts out with a hymn and then goes into the invocation:

M: In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

and we sing Amen.

Then it's the confession of sins. Here is the first spot that may be updated, but again, not sure. The words are as follows:

Holy and Merciful Father, I confess that I am by nature sinful and that I have disobeyed you in my thoughts, words, and actions. I have done what is evil and failed to do what is good. For this I deserve your punishment both now and in eternity. But I am truly sorry for my sins, and trusting in my Savior Jesus Christ, I pray, Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.

We then sing Lord have mercy on us. I think the wording in TLH uses the word upon us rather than simply on us.

Next page is the pastor giving the forgiveness through the power of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

We then sing Glory Be to God (Gloria in Excelsis). I KNOW the words have been updated here.

Then we have the prayer of the day on the next page (17) which starts out with the pastor saying "The Lord be with you" and we sing "and also with you".

Then we have the readings and the psalm.

Page 18 includes the verse of the day with the alleluia.

We have the gospel, followed by the Nicene or Apostles Creed (for us it depended on whether it was a communion Sunday or not)

On 19 we have the hymn of the day followed by the sermon.

Page 20 is Create in me a clean heart (one of my favorites) and the wording has been updated.

Offering follows, and then the prayer of the church, followed by the Lord's prayer.

From there we either go to the Sacrament on 21 or we go to page 25 for the closing of the service.

The Sacrament wording has also been updated. We still have the Holy Holy Holy (Sanctus) and the O Christ Lamb of God (Agnus Dei) and the Nunc Dimittis.


Hopefully this helps. Otherwise it was a nice little exercise for me since our church only does common service on the fifth Sunday. I wish we did it more, but we use Service of the Word (Pg. 38) on non-communion Sundays and Service of the Word and Sacrament (Pg. 26) for communion Sundays and then Morning Praise for the 4th Sunday. It does make for a nice rotation of the services. Oh, we also use Evening Worship for our lenten services.

That's quite different from TLH page 15. The wording of confession is very different and the Kyrie comes after the pronouncement of absolution. In the LSB the order and the wording are the same as TLH, with the exception of the Creed as I noted before.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I think the kyrie is in the right spot. We are, afterall, asking for God's mercy and then the absolution is given after that. But that's just me.

I found Matt's TLH. Looking at it, I now remember how "annoyed" I got after the confession of sins because we were singing three things right in a row and it seems like SO MUCH SINGING. Heh. How times change.

Other than what you mentioned, Rev, everything else is pretty much the same. I think there is MORE singing/chanting in the TLH, though. I noticed that we don't sing the salutation at the end, we go straight into the benediction.

It's kinda neat, though, looking at the old service. I used to love all the thees and thous and the old English. That is one thing I do miss in the CW. They kept it for some hymns, but not all.

 

[DaRev]

I think the kyrie is in the right spot. We are, afterall, asking for God's mercy and then the absolution is given after that. But that's just me.

Well, the Kyrie is usually associated with other prayers apart from confession and absolution.

I found Matt's TLH. Looking at it, I now remember how "annoyed" I got after the confession of sins because we were singing three things right in a row and it seems like SO MUCH SINGING. Heh. How times change.

Other than what you mentioned, Rev, everything else is pretty much the same. I think there is MORE singing/chanting in the TLH, though. I noticed that we don't sing the salutation at the end, we go straight into the benediction.

It's kinda neat, though, looking at the old service. I used to love all the thees and thous and the old English. That is one thing I do miss in the CW. They kept it for some hymns, but not all.

Most of the hymns in the LSB are like the TLH hymns. If you ever get the chance to look at one, you might be pleased with it. Most of our folks love it. It's refreshing after 25 years of that awful Lutheran Worship hymnal.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I was just reading about that somewhere, wikipedia maybe. I know of some LCMS churches in my hometown that used it for like a month and then trashed it, figuratively speaking.

WELS is coming out with a new supplement to the hymnal again this year. They're giving out freebies at the worship conference being held this sumer. I am so bummed that I will not be able to attend this year. I had a blast at the last one.

Sometimes, though, I think we're just reinventing the wheel. Most folks are pleased with the liturgy, or at least they have finally gotten around to being able to follow the "new fangled" stuff. And this is the second supplement to CW.

The first alternate service settings came out with songs like "Come oh come let us sing to the Lord", which I happen to love but others hate.

Go figure.

 

[jenley]

I like the alternate service settings

 

[RadMan]

Well, the Kyrie is usually associated with other prayers apart from confession and absolution.



Most of the hymns in the LSB are like the TLH hymns. If you ever get the chance to look at one, you might be pleased with it. Most of our folks love it. It's refreshing after 25 years of that awful Lutheran Worship hymnal.

I just did a study of the difference of hymns between the LSB the TLH and there were around ........oh darn...what was it?..........I think it was 318 hymns were left out when they went to the LSB. I actually did a physical count and then had it verified with the LCMS hymnal committee. Can't find my notes though.

 

[LutherNut]

I just did a study of the difference of hymns between the LSB the TLH and there were around ........oh darn...what was it?..........I think it was 318 hymns were left out when they went to the LSB. I actually did a physical count and then had it verified with the LCMS hymnal committee. Can't find my notes though.

Well they couldn't put them all in, otherwise the book would be too big.

 

[DaRev]

The LSB wasn't meant to be a reissuance of TLH. It was to combine the better aspects of TLH and LW so that the synod would have a single hymnal and so CPH can take TLH out of print.

 

[RadMan]

The LSB wasn't meant to be a reissuance of TLH. It was to combine the better aspects of TLH and LW so that the synod would have a single hymnal and so CPH can take TLH out of print.

I looked through some of the hymns that were taken out and it was probably for the best. Some words in the hymns were so archaic that the average person didn't even know what they meant. And some of the phrases were "huh?"

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I remember using an old text for one of the creeds that says "he will come to judge the quick and dead." My son wanted to know what was going to happen to the slow people!

 

[LilLamb219]

I remember using an old text for one of the creeds that says "he will come to judge the quick and dead." My son wanted to know what was going to happen to the slow people!

That's the way I learned and memorized it! I still goof up though from time to time

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Me, too! And then it throws my son off, who gives me a dirty look and then I start laughing because I'm an idiot...and well...then I have to bite my tongue because I'm not setting a good example!!

That's the way I learned and memorized it! I still goof up though from time to time

 

[dinkime]

but which version of the Lord's prayer does your church use!??!?!

we use the regular one on sundays and regular wednesdays, but for the Lenten services, Pastor has us using the new one (which i don't like!)

in my power hour class (2-3 year olds) i use the regular one, and i have 3 year olds who have learned it and say it at home with their family and during church with the congregation