Did Jesus ever pray for the sick?

[Angeloffire]

As Jesus is the way, the Truth, and the life, I would ask the readership. Did Jesus ever pray for the sick? If not, then how did He heal them and shouldn't we do the same thing that the disciples were doing to heal the sick?

 

[peacechild4]

There is a scripture which says.. the prayer of faith saves the sick.. and we are told to pray always.. with all kinds of prayers and requests..

James 5:15
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

 

[peacechild4]

I had to come back and change my replies.. The Holy Spirit showed up and I was brought into the pathway of some wonderful truths..

I was wrong with what I said.. Thank YOU LORD for your ways set us free!!

 

[Bobinator]

As Jesus is the way, the Truth, and the life, I would ask the readership. Did Jesus ever pray for the sick? If not, then how did He heal them and shouldn't we do the same thing that the disciples were doing to heal the sick?

You bring up an interesting point. Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Father are one and agree as one, so he probably didn't pray like we do today. He most likely commanded the Healing and it happened. Jesus was in-tune with the Holy Spirit and instinctively knew what, who and when to pray for something.

The Lord didn't tell us to ask him for healing, but said to simply go out and heal others.

Matthew 10:[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.[8] Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Mark 16:[17] And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils... they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

A case in point between these two phrases in Mark 16- one doesn't ask devils to leave in Jesus' name. You command it. Same goes for healing. Jesus gave us the authority to do these things in His name, not ask for it necessarily. If he gave us power and authority to do these things, then why should we have to ask him for it? Although, sometimes it wouldn't hurt to do both, depending on the situation. Of course, being led by the Spirit always puts you in the right situation. For example, if the Holy Spirit says a certain person has unforgiveness, then you'll need to lead that person to forgive so they can receive their healing. Once that person forgives, then you can command the healing. Or, sometimes the healing comes automatically, especially if the infirmity originated with unforgiveness.

Curses resulting from sins of the past or from ancestral curses coming down the family line may also cause a person's infirmity. Once the curse is broken, then a person may receive their healing, or a situation changes in their life for the better.

 

[Angeloffire]

Bobinator,

When you look at it and then see how most churches take 'prayer requests' for the sick it helps you understand why few are ever healed.

If the church would pick up the sword given to it and accept the authority that Christ gave us and command instead of take 'prayer requests' just think how things would change!

What do you think is holding churches back? Do they not know about it, or are they afraid? I've thought about this alot lately and I'm not sure myself as to why we accept sickness quietly when we 'were' healed by His stripes and given the authority to be well.

 

[Angeloffire]

Bobinator,

When you look at it and then see how most churches take 'prayer requests' for the sick it helps you understand why few are ever healed.

If the church would pick up the sword given to it and accept the authority that Christ gave us and command instead of take 'prayer requests' just think how things would change!

What do you think is holding churches back? Do they not know about it, or are they afraid? I've thought about this alot lately and I'm not sure myself as to why we accept sickness quietly when we 'were' healed by His stripes and given the authority to be well.

 

[Angeloffire]

Also, I might add that when is the last time a person has seen an exorcism in a church? It isn't very common and the main way Jesus healed.

 

[1simus]

My dad has seen some healing and the way he "prays" is simply, "This healing belongs to me because of what Jesus has done."

About the "exorcism" mentioned earlier... Think I heard him say that statistically 1/3 of Jesus' healing was deliverance.

 

[Bobinator]

Actually, an exorcism(deliverance) happened during Sunday service last week. Someone began to manifest and members took care of it right there on the spot. Manifestations happen more often when the presence of God is strong, especially after praise and worship. We're starting to experience more of the Holy Spirit during church service, especially after recently doing spiritual warfare power walks around the neighborhood- praying and binding up the devil and his strongmen over the area. It's starting to have an effect.

In answer to your question regarding why the church has essentially become ineffective, one word: "Apostacy"

Here's a church newsletter that may help answer your question:

http://www.lightoftheworldmissions.com/letters.30.html

There are many other newsletters on this website you can read.

 

[Angeloffire]

Bobinator,

I suppose the only thing singular about healing is that it is done by God. I have heard of people getting healed without even seeking it. In one testimony a brother received a lung and everything and he wasn't even seeking healing, but God had mercy on him.

Before I learnt the exorcism process that I now use, I accidentally delivered someone from demonic oppression. It still makes me smile to think about how it happened.

The Holy Spirit was really strong on me and I could feel him like electricity all over me, especially my hands. The pastor of the church I was visiting said by word of knowledge that a woman was ready to be delivered.

A woman went to the alter and two men were praying for her. I didn't think it was proper that no other woman was present with her and as I was only a couple of feet away I stepped forward and put my hand on top of her head. She let out a really loud scream and fell over completely out on the floor. I think I was as surprised as she was.

When you read how Jesus mainly healed, it was casting out of demons and I've discovered that it is very effective and the healings are usually instant. Also, anyone who is filled with the Holy Spirit can cast out a demon which is also a plus. When you couple exorcism with several other gifts like discernment it becomes really effective. I can actually feel the demon moving in people and see the faces of demons in the shadows on the person I"m delivering.

The sad thing about deliverances is the ignorance of those who do them. If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have stopped at the first demon that was up in that woman. I know now how to make them leave and could have really blessed the woman instead of confusing us both...(lol)

Apostasy is widespread right now, I sometimes wonder if it isn't part of the great falling away. But then the bible says many are called, but few chosen, so who am I to say.....?


1simus,

I like what you said about your Dad. My dad also has the gift of healing and so do I. Your hands will feel warm when you pray for someone and I think I received this gift when I went to a Charles and Frances Hunter meeting years ago to be on one of their teams. IT was pretty cool......commanding things in Jesus name does work pretty good and I'm seeking God on how to properly use the gift.

 

[Timuchin]

Jesus taught we shouldn't make a show of praying, so most of his prayers were silent. Jesus lifted his eyes when he prayed. This is what he did when healing a deaf man. When given the surprise of the woman caught in adultery, he immediately stooped and pretended to draw in the dirt, praying like crazy.

When I pray for someone, I ask what I can pray for. When the Lord tells me to heal, I can pronounce healing over the person and they are healed. If he says it is a curse, I rebuke the curse until it is gone. If He says it is a demon, I command it to leave. Sometimes He tells me to pray for a while in a certain way. The person is gradually healed. If he tells me to pray for anointing for ministry, I will ignore their request and pray for their anointing. If He tells me not to pray ... I don't pray!

Arbitrarily commanding or doing something is dangerous practice. We are not God. It is not our power but God's. We are establishing self-sovereignty in the situation, which is idolatry.

If you don't have divine guidance, that should be your first objective. We are people of the Holy Spirit. Without His guidance, we can't walk the Christian walk right. Try one of the following books:
"How To Listen to God" by Charles Stanley
"Hearing God's Voice" by Henry Blackaby
"Hearing God" by Dallas Willard
"How You Can Be led by the Spirit of God" by Kenneth Hagin

 

[peacechild4]

Well I often have not got a clue what to pray though I am learning a great deal about what Jesus will do and who HE is and who I am through Him.. I am so glad for the Holy Spirit praying through us..

Romans 8:26
In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.

 

[Angeloffire]

Tamuchin: Jesus taught we shouldn't make a show of praying, so most of his prayers were silent. Jesus lifted his eyes when he prayed. This is what he did when healing a deaf man. When given the surprise of the woman caught in adultery, he immediately stooped and pretended to draw in the dirt, praying like crazy.

Angeloffire: Actually Jesus no where in the bible does it ever say that Jesus prayed for a sick person and he never told us to pray for the sick. He said heal the sick, cast out demons. Just because he looked up, doesn't mean he was praying....that is inference and could possibly be true.


Timuchin: Arbitrarily commanding or doing something is dangerous practice. We are not God. It is not our power but God's. We are establishing self-sovereignty in the situation, which is idolatry.

Angeloffire: If you ask a demon to leave....it probably isn't going to, okay? Trust me, they aren't like that. What is dangerous is people casting them out without even knowing what they can do and who they are. This is how people get hurt.

Timuchin: If you don't have divine guidance, that should be your first objective. We are people of the Holy Spirit. Without His guidance, we can't walk the Christian walk right. Try one of the following books:

Angeloffire: Divine guidance is truly how every christian should live. However, none of the ministers you listed below even know who or what a demon is. Though I'm sure they have other inspiring knowledge to add to the body of Christ and I have read some of their writings.

The most accurate book out there on demons is written by Pastor Wallen Yep of Warrior Saint Ministry. Derik Prince was close and describes them in one of his books.

As far as spiritual goes only those who operate in the gifts are spiritual, the rest are simply religious.



"How To Listen to God" by Charles Stanley
"Hearing God's Voice" by Henry Blackaby
"Hearing God" by Dallas Willard
"How You Can Be led by the Spirit of God" by Kenneth Hagin

 

[Angeloffire]

Well I often have not got a clue what to pray though I am learning a great deal about what Jesus will do and who HE is and who I am through Him.. I am so glad for the Holy Spirit praying through us..

Romans 8:26
In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.

And did you know that if you pray in tongues for two hours a day that it scares demons! Also, you will begin to operate in other gifts too. Sometimes I think that God makes sure we use one gift before giving us another one.....

 

[Timuchin]

Timuchin: Jesus taught we shouldn't make a show of praying, so most of his prayers were silent. Jesus lifted his eyes when he prayed. This is what he did when healing a deaf man. When given the surprise of the woman caught in adultery, he immediately stooped and pretended to draw in the dirt, praying like crazy.

Angeloffire: Actually Jesus no where in the bible does it ever say that Jesus prayed for a sick person and he never told us to pray for the sick. He said heal the sick, cast out demons. Just because he looked up, doesn't mean he was praying....that is inference and could possibly be true.

What you say is true, but... Jesus' followers told us to pray for sickness or have the elders pray for the sickness. They knew how Jesus operated better than we do. It's impossible for us to know what Jesus silently did without help from witnesses.

Timuchin: Arbitrarily commanding or doing something is dangerous practice. We are not God. It is not our power but God's. We are establishing self-sovereignty in the situation, which is idolatry.

Angeloffire: If you ask a demon to leave....it probably isn't going to, okay? Trust me, they aren't like that. What is dangerous is people casting them out without even knowing what they can do and who they are. This is how people get hurt.

I wasn't responding to commanding exorcism. I know from experience that exorcism can be done with a whisper of command.

I was responding to the command of healing or miracles without divine guidance or at least confirmation.

Timuchin: If you don't have divine guidance, that should be your first objective. We are people of the Holy Spirit. Without His guidance, we can't walk the Christian walk right. Try one of the following books:

Angeloffire: Divine guidance is truly how every christian should live. However, none of the ministers you listed below even know who or what a demon is. Though I'm sure they have other inspiring knowledge to add to the body of Christ and I have read some of their writings.

The most accurate book out there on demons is written by Pastor Wallen Yep of Warrior Saint Ministry. Derek Prince was close and describes them in one of his books.

As far as spiritual goes only those who operate in the gifts are spiritual, the rest are simply religious.

"How To Listen to God" by Charles Stanley
"Hearing God's Voice" by Henry Blackaby
"Hearing God" by Dallas Willard
"How You Can Be led by the Spirit of God" by Kenneth Hagin

Oops! Only those who have received love by grace through faith through prayer to Jesus are Christians. The rest are simply religious. (Matt.7:22,23 and 1 Cor.13:2)

Having never even heard of Wallen Yap, I will defer judgement on him. Kenneth Hagin certainly did know about demons.

I'm a professional exorcist and intercessor for people, houses, churches, ministries, businesses and government organizations. My website is:
orderofsaintpatrick.org

 

[Timuchin]

After checking out Wallen Yap, I'd say he's off track. Here's a quote from his website:
"Contrary to contemporary deliverance ministries, deliverance is best described as the removal of all demonic spirits and the removal of all sicknesses. Deliverance ministries that do not know clearly what a demon is or do not have a comprehensive deliverance process, should be avoided! Our position is simple, if you do not know what a demon is, how is it possible to get rid of them? Demons are not fallen angels or Nephilims! When an unsaved person dies, they become a demon, because their spirit has not been cleansed by the blood of Jesus! They are the original unclean spirit as called by the scriptures. Not all demons are unclean spirits, but all unclean spirits are demons! With 5 out of 6 persons in the world being unsaved, a cataclysmic end of the world is rapidly approaching!"

The consequence of this Mormon take off is to create a cult. "Only we know the TRUTH!" This generates a lot of fear instead of love.

I disagree with the above and I cast out demons all the time. I also bind them to silence and impotence with no problem. Objective observers notice the difference.

There are ailments that can't be cast out because they are not demonic. I'm sure you have run across this by now.

 

[Angeloffire]

Timuchin,

Even 11 year olds can cast out demons and has been done by such. It is Jesus's name to which they bow and when you sling it around at everything, you do have a chance at hitting something.

However, not knowing who a demon is and how they make you sick limits you considerably as an exorcist. IT is kind of like shooting in the dark, yes, doing such may cause you to hit something and walk away feeling pretty good about yourself, but it is not responsible at all.

Those who cast out demons who don't even know who they are and what they can do are a danger to us all.

As far as Wallen Yep goes, I think your slander of someone you know nothing about speaks loads of what spirit you are coming and speaking from. May God have mercy on you.

 

[Bobinator]

Charles and Francis Hunter's techniques are wonderful. I've learned a lot from them and use their techniques now more than ever. It changed my perspective of the authority that God gave us to heal and cast out devils.

Yes, deliverance and the ability to war in the spirit is a must for every Christian. And, it's exclusion from the body of Christ is the result of apostacy that has effectively neutralized the church against the devil. This is one of the reasons why the church has very little influence on society and our government. There is a war going on, and the church isn't even fighting. We brought a stick to a gun fight.

 

[Timuchin]

Charles and Francis Hunter's techniques are wonderful. I've learned a lot from them and use their techniques now more than ever. It changed my perspective of the authority that God gave us to heal and cast out devils.

Yes, deliverance and the ability to war in the spirit is a must for every Christian. And, it's exclusion from the body of Christ is the result of apostacy that has effectively neutralized the church against the devil. This is one of the reasons why the church has very little influence on society and our government. There is a war going on, and the church isn't even fighting. We brought a stick to a gun fight.

Amen to that! I started just praying for people and seeing plenty of healings, especially of cancer and arthritis. But I found I also had to use exorcism in some cases. I ended up doing more & more exorcism because no one else did it. Then demon-infulenced skeptics started scoffing about me chasing demons behind every bush!

Even 11 year olds can cast out demons and has been done by such. It is Jesus's name to which they bow and when you sling it around at everything, you do have a chance at hitting something.

I have new converts immediately delivering themselves from the demons they picked up from being involved in the occult or demonic religions. The limited power of attorney of God that we exercise can only influence demons.

However, not knowing who a demon is and how they make you sick limits you considerably as an exorcist. IT is kind of like shooting in the dark, yes, doing such may cause you to hit something and walk away feeling pretty good about yourself, but it is not responsible at all.

Those who cast out demons who don't even know who they are and what they can do are a danger to us all.

Wait a minute, you said if we didn't understand demons your way we couldn't cast out demons. Now you say we can, but it would be dangerous for us to do so. You have changed your position.

My position is that demons have no authority in the world. God gave all authority over this world to Adam & Eve. They indirectly submitted to Satan by submitting to his lies. Satan now controls the world through the deceived children of Adam. The children of Adam give the demons their authority and send the demons out to do Satan's will. This is why evangelism is so important.

Due to this understanding, I have:
1. bound the empowerment given the demons by humans to make them vulnerable to easy deliverance.
2. carried the battle to Satan's humans, casting the demons out of their properties & environments.
3. bound the demons in Satan's humans to silence & impotence, to render the humans vulnerable to prayer for their salvation.
4. Ask God to speak truth to these humans about their condition and their need for salvation.

The above wisdom is very effective against demonic attack.

As far as Wallen Yep goes, I think your slander of someone you know nothing about speaks loads of what spirit you are coming and speaking from. May God have mercy on you.

"Slander" is speaking lies about someone with malice of forethought. I only know what he has said on his website. Now if you will tell me that this website is a bogus misrepresentation of what he believes, I will apologize.

Until then, I think he watched too many movies about zombies.

 

[Elijah2]

Isn't it interesting that on occasions when I was confronted with a demon in a child or a mature person, I challenged it instantly, without using His Name, and that person was set free immediately. So it all comes down to authority. You can cast out and scream as much as you like and if there is no authority at the specific time, you may as well go a milk the cows.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.