Did I just commit apostasy by accident?

[Job405]

I was pondering about the unforgivable sin and whether I have committed it then I said "Part of me believes I am going to hell" or something like that, and then I thought in my head "If I believe I'm going to hell I don't believe the gospel" ... although I am not 100% sure if it was me or an intrusive thought. But I quickly repented of that and I do declare that I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, but is it now too late?

 

[ripple the car]

It was probably an intrusive thought, and I’m sure you’re ok. A huge bulk of us suffer with intrusive thoughts. Don’t worry about it.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

Rejecting Blasphemous Thoughts

A technique from the Desert Fathers to control our negative thoughts

Look Who's Talking - Glory to God for All Things

The Struggle Against the Thoughts (Logismoi) - Annunciation Orthodox Christian Church

What Is the Unforgivable Sin?

Ask An Eastern Orthodox Christian: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - SpokaneFāVS

The Unpardonable Sin

 

[spiritfilledjm]

I was pondering about the unforgivable sin and whether I have committed it then I said "Part of me believes I am going to hell" or something like that, and then I thought in my head "If I believe I'm going to hell I don't believe the gospel" ... although I am not 100% sure if it was me or an intrusive thought. But I quickly repented of that and I do declare that I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, but is it now too late?

Nope, you're good. The unforgivable sin doesn't occur until one dies without accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I believe you have so no worries

 

[Albion]

The answer is "no," job405.

To apostacize, it takes 1) a conscious decision and 2) an actual abandonment of Christianity. Neither of those is present in what you told us.

As "anna ~ grace" advised you, stray thoughts--or even doubts--do not qualify as apostasy. All of us are subject to such doubts, wonderings, and temptations at times. Even Christ himself was.

 

[Dave L]

I was pondering about the unforgivable sin and whether I have committed it then I said "Part of me believes I am going to hell" or something like that, and then I thought in my head "If I believe I'm going to hell I don't believe the gospel" ... although I am not 100% sure if it was me or an intrusive thought. But I quickly repented of that and I do declare that I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, but is it now too late?

Many people believe they can lose their salvation. But I ask if they are saved at all. How can they have saving faith if they think they can be lost?

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

And no, you didn’t.

Those thoughts are assaultive.

if you get those thoughts and they won’t go away just remember psalm 139:8,
“If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there” then say no matter where you end up you will praise the Lord no matter what.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

Many people believe they can lose their salvation. But I ask if they are saved at all. How can they have saving faith if they think they can be lost?

That is a soteriology issue/question and may cause more harm in this thread for OP.

 

[Dave L]

That is a soteriology issue/question and may cause more harm in this thread for OP.

His OP reflected an understanding of this position. I'd say he is more enlightened than most. Jesus says ALL the Father gives to Him will come to Him. Do you believe this?

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Just remember the man who cried, "Lord, I believe. Help me in my unbelief!"

 

[ripple the car]

His OP reflected an understanding of this position. I'd say he is more enlightened than most. Jesus says ALL the Father gives to Him will come to Him. Do you believe this?

Dave, with all due respect, this is a thread about ocd. Not Reformed theology / Soteriology. Frankly… getting too deeply into those debates can do serious harm to those who struggle with ocd or scrupulosity. If you would like to debate another poster on this issue, a different thread would be a good place for that.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

I was pondering about the unforgivable sin and whether I have committed it then I said "Part of me believes I am going to hell" or something like that, and then I thought in my head "If I believe I'm going to hell I don't believe the gospel" ... although I am not 100% sure if it was me or an intrusive thought. But I quickly repented of that and I do declare that I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, but is it now too late?

No you cannot do it almost by definition. As far as I can see the unforgiveable sin is unrepentance and hardness of heart, and that is impossible to do if you are sincere and truthful in what you said in your post. (It is self contradictory, or mutually exclusive, aka you can have one or the other but not both at the same time).

 

[TheWhat?]

In some cases, the OCD can be playing tricks on you. It is not you if your mind is being manipulated from without. But I think this remains true:

[Mat 15:19 NKJV] 19 "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

Unfortunately, many people, they don't seem to take this to heart, and seem to think repentance entails shutting the door, so to speak, to these things within them, as if they are not. In effect they seem to carry it around with them. This is like covering yourself with a worthless covering, as adam and eve sought to cover themselves to hide their shame, and it leads to a false appearance of righteousness.

[Psa 139:23-24 NKJV] 23 Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me, and know my anxieties; 24 And see if [there is any] wicked way in me, And lead me in the way everlasting.

[Psa 51:2-3 NKJV] 2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin. 3 For I acknowledge my transgressions, And my sin [is] always before me.

[Heb 4:16 NKJV] 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

There are times when, it seems like sin is at the door. And it may be, but to be truly washed, that takes courage.

 

[SarahsKnight]

I was pondering about the unforgivable sin and whether I have committed it then I said "Part of me believes I am going to hell" or something like that, and then I thought in my head "If I believe I'm going to hell I don't believe the gospel" ... although I am not 100% sure if it was me or an intrusive thought. But I quickly repented of that and I do declare that I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, but is it now too late?

You're okay, man. It was only an intrusive thought. They are difficult enough to deal with in daily life as it is without your worrying if or that they mean something dark and evil about you on top of that.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I was pondering about the unforgivable sin and whether I have committed it then I said "Part of me believes I am going to hell" or something like that, and then I thought in my head "If I believe I'm going to hell I don't believe the gospel" ... although I am not 100% sure if it was me or an intrusive thought. But I quickly repented of that and I do declare that I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, but is it now too late?

Repentance means changing your mind permanently. So believe His Holy Spirit accomplishing that for you.
Be blessed.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

His OP reflected an understanding of this position. I'd say he is more enlightened than most. Jesus says ALL the Father gives to Him will come to Him. Do you believe this?

I have the exact same reply about this as @anna ~ grace .

 

[Dave L]

Dave, with all due respect, this is a thread about ocd. Not Reformed theology / Soteriology. Frankly… getting too deeply into those debates can do serious harm to those who struggle with ocd or scrupulosity. If you would like to debate another poster on this issue, a different thread would be a good place for that.

But Reformed Theology bolsters his position and brings hope. What can you contribute in view of that?

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

But Reformed Theology bolsters his position and brings hope. What can you contribute in view of that?

Again, this isn’t the thread for this type of debate regardless of what @anna ~ grace or I or anyone thinks in terms of the details and kinks and theology of Soteriology.
Some people react very negatively in terms of OCD, anxiety, despair, and scrupulosity to reformed theology/Calvinism.
Others react negatively to all sorts of other Soteriology like that of Lutherism or Catholicism or Orthodoxy.
Please understand; there is no problem stating that OP is okay in regards to reformed theology/Calvinism, this is just not a debate thread. Therefore, asking others specifically their denominational views on the details of Soteriology is out of place in the OCD and panic forum.

 

[Dave L]

Again, this isn’t the thread for this type of debate regardless of what @anna ~ grace or I or anyone thinks in terms of the details and kinks and theology of Soteriology.
Some people react very negatively in terms of OCD, anxiety, despair, and scrupulosity to reformed theology/Calvinism.
Others react negatively to all sorts of other Soteriology like that of Lutherism or Catholicism or Orthodoxy.
Please understand; there is no problem stating that OP is okay in regards to reformed theology/Calvinism, this is just not a debate thread. Therefore, asking others specifically their denominational views on the details of Soteriology is out of place in the OCD and panic forum.

You should not be striking up a debate then. I think the guy knows more than most and a shot of Calvinism only agrees with what he already believes.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

You should not be striking up a debate then. I think the guy knows more than most and a shot of Calvinism only agrees with what he already believes.

Pray tell where and how and when was I striking up a debate?