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ILoveYeshua said:but if God foreknew it, and he is sovereign, how could he not have predestined it? he predestined the exact circumstances surrounding Christ's death, including the time, and when that rooster would crow for Cephas, right? And he foreknew and predestined the exact time and method of the suicide of Judas Iscariot, so why not every person?
ILoveYeshua said:i believe the interaction between free will and predestination is much like how light is both a particle and a wave, its all in how you look at it.
oh, boy.ILoveYeshua said:yea i think that is predestined, cuz if God can't say who gets into heaven, he isn't much of a God is he?
PastorJ said:oh, boy.
victoryword said:My thoughts exactly.
This is the reason why I have to ask questions like this so I should know whether it is worth the time to engage a person in a debate on certain topics.
The answers tells me to just leave it lest I spark yet another Calvinism versus Arminianism debate.
You know I never met a Calvinist who did not believe they were one of the chosen. No one has ever said, "Yes, I believe in Predestination and I am destined to burn in Hell". Sounds like Elitism to me.
ILoveYeshua said:Still, no one has answered my question, if the death of Christ and also of the betrayer were predestined to happen as they did, why not every man?
ILoveYeshua said:Still, no one has answered my question, if the death of Christ and also of the betrayer were predestined to happen as they did, why not every man?
ILoveYeshua said:but if God foreknew it, and he is sovereign, how could he not have predestined it? he predestined the exact circumstances surrounding Christ's death, including the time, and when that rooster would crow for Cephas, right? And he foreknew and predestined the exact time and method of the suicide of Judas Iscariot, so why not every person?
victoryword said:Some people think that God has appointed a specific time for each human being in the world to die. When "your number's up" then ya' gotta go. Here are some of the passages used to support this theological concept:
Hebrews 9:27-28 KJVOf course, I do NOT agree with how these passages are used (or "misused") to support the belief that God has a set time for each person in the whole wide world to die. Hebrews says NOTHING of the kind. Yet, Excclesiastes comes close.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: [28] So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Eccles. 7:16-17 KJV
Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself? [17] Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?
What do you guys believe. Does God have a specific date and time with your death in mind?
So do you think that He will send the righteous to hell and drag the rebelleous kicking and screaming into the joys of heaven? According to your logic He can and still may. He is God is He not? Of course in doing so He would also have to send Himself to hell for being a liar and a murderer. But hey, He is God!ILoveYeshua said:yea i think that is predestined, cuz if God can't say who gets into heaven, he isn't much of a God is he?
chasity said:i also think that although God deff. knows when we will die...i don't think he actually ordains a specific time for it....
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