Did God send the flood to get rid of the sinners?

[Astrid]

So, you have to trust the historian to determine fact from myth.

Thats not remotely what I said or think.

 

[AV1611VET]

You do realize that to claim to know exactly what the story means, that it comes from God, and that it actually did happen is claiming to be infallible in matters of Bible interpretation,

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The Flood came and washed all the gay people away.

What's the deal?

 

[Eloy Craft]

Does this reconcile with Matthew 13:36-39 which is the explanation, ie NO hyperbole or metaphor!

Hmm. Ok , I'm not sure what your u mean by that, but ths.came to mind. The good seed is the preservation of Noah. Ham's sin and Noah cursing Canaan is Satan planting tares?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

This bad telling of the story is hilarious!

It really is!

Here's another telling - [Note, involves some swearing]

 

[ViaCrucis]

I've seen ideas proposed that the Nephilim etc had modified and corrupted humans and animals so it all had to be purged.

Given that a few generations later you have Babylon, Babel and Anakim or looks like there's plenty of corruption still around.

Some people like to mix a little science fiction with their Bible. I haven't quite figured out the appeal of that.

Also given that Noah etc are humans, they still had Original Sin, so the whole thing doesn't even conceptually work as a removal of sin.

And that, I'd argue, is the real point of the flood story. Destroying the world and getting rid of all the "bad people" doesn't fix anything. The world after the flood was no better than the world before the flood. People after the flood were no better than people before.

As soon as the flood waters were gone, the ark was on dry land, and Noah worships God, we have Noah drunk and naked and cursing his grandson. The flood solved nothing.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Shemjaza]

Some people like to mix a little science fiction with their Bible. I haven't quite figured out the appeal of that.

My guess is that even if you don't accept science as a reliable method of finding the truth, you can't argue with its utility. Also given that the products of science are such a big part of the modern world, it must be easy to imagine they must have also been a part of an ancient, possibly superior, age of wonders and miracles.

And that, I'd argue, is the real point of the flood story. Destroying the world and getting rid of all the "bad people" doesn't fix anything. The world after the flood was no better than the world before the flood. People after the flood were no better than people before.

As soon as the flood waters were gone, the ark was on dry land, and Noah worships God, we have Noah drunk and naked and cursing his grandson. The flood solved nothing.

-CryptoLutheran

In that context it makes a good hypothetical for an educational tale about human nature... as literal events any education value is lost in the unpleasant implications.

 

[AV1611VET]

People after the flood were no better than people before.

The Flood wasn't supposed to make sinners righteous.

The Flood was to sanitize the earth; or we wouldn't be here today discussing it.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The Flood wasn't supposed to make sinners righteous.

The Flood was to sanitize the earth; or we wouldn't be here today discussing it.

Then it failed. The earth isn't a particularly sanitized place, now is it?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[AV1611VET]

The Flood wasn't supposed to make sinners righteous.

The Flood was to sanitize the earth; or we wouldn't be here today discussing it.

Then it failed. The earth isn't a particularly sanitized place, now is it?

-CryptoLutheran

We're here discussing it, aren't we?

 

[ViaCrucis]

We're here discussing it, aren't we?

Without making something up, present an argument that if there hadn't been a flood that we wouldn't be here discussing it.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Astrid]

Without making something up, present an argument that if there hadn't been a flood that we wouldn't be here discussing it.

-CryptoLutheran

No fair.

 

[AV1611VET]

Without making something up, present an argument that if there hadn't been a flood that we wouldn't be here discussing it.

-CryptoLutheran

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

No fair.

Fair.

It's a good question.

Had God not intervened, mankind would have died out.

Put fruit in a basket and let it sit there a month and see what happens to it.