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Did God predestine the Fall?

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For those who believe in God predestine events, was the Fall one of them?

This may be of help to the topic at hand:

Why was sin permitted?

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"... The plan for our redemption was not an afterthought, a plan formulated after the fall of Adam. It was a revelation of "the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal." Romans 16:25, R. V. It was an unfolding of the principles that from eternal ages have been the foundation of God's throne. From the beginning, God and Christ knew of the apostasy of Satan, and of the fall of man through the deceptive power of the apostate. God did not ordain that sin should exist, but He foresaw its existence, and made provision to meet the terrible emergency. So great was His love for the world, that He covenanted to give His only-begotten Son, "that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16. {DA 22.2}

Lucifer had said, "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; . . . I will be like the Most High." Isaiah 14:13, 14. But Christ, "being in the form of God, counted it not a thing to be grasped to be on an equality with God, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men." Philippians 2:6, 7, R. V., margin. {DA 22.3}

This was a voluntary sacrifice. Jesus might have remained at the Father's side. He might have retained the glory of heaven, and the homage of the angels. But He chose to give back the scepter into [23] the Father's hands, and to step down from the throne of the universe, that He might bring light to the benighted, and life to the perishing. {DA 22.4} ..." - The Desire of Ages (1898), pages 22.2-22.4

Sin was never "ordained", for that is a blasphemous charge against God, though it was foreseen and permitted for a reason (people still cannot seem to understand the difference between omniscience/foreknowledge and omnipotence/permission in the context of God who is love, without freewill/choice there is no love, yet Christ Jesus is the free will offering, God freely gave which takes nothing away from His soverignty).
 
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Not David

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God does not control anyone's free will, by doing so everything God says is bad is his own fault.
 
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God is not bound by time so even saying that God foreknew means like God was present at a point in time
 
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Also considering if we have 100% free will we end up telling God how things should be.

The libertarian free will promoted by some Christians makes God a beggar with hat in hand waiting for us to make some decision for or against Him.

This is the Enlightenment version of Deism.
 
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The fall was not his plan, by saying so you mean God's will is evil to happen. Instead the coming of Christ was giving man a opportunity to be in perfect communion with God.
 
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People tell God what things should be like all the time.
 
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The fall was not his plan, by saying so you mean God's will is evil to happen. Instead the coming of Christ was giving man a opportunity to be in perfect communion with God.
If the Fall wasn’t His plan, then was the Cross Plan B?
 
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I’m trying to understand this concept or principle. Can you expand on it a bit?
Calvinists believe God made man sin and fall, not that God allowed man to choose communion with him or sin.
 
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The fall was not his plan, by saying so you mean God's will is evil to happen. Instead the coming of Christ was giving man a opportunity to be in perfect communion with God.
Can you address why Paul clearly told us God’s plan for salvation was before the foundations of the earth? That means our of time, space matter——creation. God had this plan before God breathed into the nostrils of Adam the breath of life.

Was it a contingency plan waiting to see if God’s creation Adam would comply?
 
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If the Fall wasn’t His plan, then was the Cross Plan B?
It was his chance of giving us redemption. You probably believe it is God's plan for people to commit adultery rather than working through it.
 
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It was his chance of giving us redemption. You probably believe it is God's plan for people to commit adultery rather than working through it.


Was it Plan B?
 
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How it is what Paul's saying contradictory to God giving people redemption from their own doing?
 
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God does not control anyone's free will, by doing so everything God says is bad is his own fault.
But you do believe God has His own Purpose and Will, right?

Was it God’s predetermined plan for Jesus Christ to suffer and die?
 
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You answer me:
A man and a woman get married and they divorce, later both of them remarry. Was the second marriage God's plan B?
I asked you a question related to your OP. Please stop deflecting and just answer it.
 
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