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Seems a matter of logical necessity; assuming free choice is always the opinion God would choose.
That some created being, on another possible earth like planet would at least one time, choose not to do God's will. Thus introducing sin and need for redemption.
Christ died once for all...
But say if the other creatures on all these possible other worlds; were all animals. That is to say not capable of the knowledge of good and evil and conscious Sin. Didn't possess the capacity of knowing I place name here have sinned.
Then it wouldn't cause a problem.
Right?
Hmm interesting...
I need to pray about this.
Spunkn said in post 8:
I don't think there are any other beings out there like us.
Christ died once, for all mankind.
Spunkn said in post 11:
The reason people believe in aliens so much, is that they want to believe there's a reason for things besides God. They want to believe that aliens planted us here.
Spunkn said in post 16:
Because they are finite creatures. They will always fall.
asiyreh said in post 9:
And furthermore I recon all that "alien appearances" is demonic manifestation.
Do you believe that angels, who are also finite creatures, will always fall? If so, who died for their sins? And if no one can die for their sins, then how will not all the angels of God in heaven not end up in the eternal torment of the lake of fire and brimstone with Satan and his fallen angels (Matthew 25:41, Revelation 20:10)? And if, instead, it is possible for angels not to fall, then why would it not be possible for some aliens not to fall?
Also, do you believe that after obedient saved humans on the earth are resurrected into immortality and so become like/equal to the angels of God in heaven (Matthew 22:30, Luke 20:36), that they will always fall? Why can't it be possible for them never to choose to sin again, just as God has already made it possible for believers not to sin (John 8:34-36, Romans 8:2-14, Romans 6:1-23; 2 Corinthians 7:1), even when they are tempted to do so (1 Corinthians 10:13; 2 Peter 2:9, Matthew 6:13; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Romans 8:13, Galatians 5:16)?
Spunkn said in post 24:
I'm not going to address all the points, because I'm not going to spend all day arguing about aliens. I see no point in it.
Spunkn said in post 24:
Angels still have a choice.
Spunkn said in post 24:
They have seen God. Therefore there is no chance for redemption like humans.
Spunkn said in post 24:
Lucifer had a choice before he became Satan.
Spunkn said in post 24:
Angels cannot be redeemed once they've chosen to disobey God.
Spunkn said in post 24:
It makes no mention of aliens as being one of God's creations.
Spunkn said in post 24:
Secondly, we will get new bodies, and we will be into a new ressurection into heaven, and the new earth. Revelations 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.
For eternity, there will be no more sin.
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 25:
Genesis states that He created the heavens and the earth and created Adam as well as all the animals. But, there is no mention of any other Adams or earths while He does mention the entire universe.
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 25:
Also, I believe that the phenomenon known as UFOs and other close encounters are that of angles, powers, principalities, cherubs and demons etc and such that have been allowed to show themselves in this dimension.
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 28:
It is even more foolish to argue with a person who knows their is a God, and knows the Bible is the God inspired word of God, but is trying to convince themselves that it isn't.
You are correct, however, I would, personally, be kinda freaked out if He had of said "thus only on the earth did I create them" LOL.
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 30:
Well, let's go to the word.
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 30:
AND, in my opinion, anyone who believes that God could not have and did not create the whole universe in six days, greatly insults the awesome power and magnitude of our God, Lord and Savior, the Holy Trinity.
KrazyCanadian1962 said in post 34:
The second, Well if the odds were insurmountable and beyond modern calculation that evolution even happened once.
Evolution and an old earth in no way contradict anything that you quoted from Genesis. For evolution per se (random mutation and survival of the fittest) can coexist with instantaneous creation. Also, there could have been two different gaps of time in Genesis chapters 1-2, the first gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, and the second gap between Genesis 2:4 and Genesis 2:5. Genesis 1:1 could have occurred some 4.5 billion years ago, when God first created the planet earth and its atmosphere (the first heaven, in which the birds fly: Genesis 1:20b). Between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, some 4.5 billion years could have occurred, in which God could have allowed his own created process of evolution to serve as a mechanism by which new species arose on the earth. During those same 4.5 billion years, God could have also gone outside of evolution and created new species miraculously, instantaneously, already fully-formed, whenever he wanted to (compare punctuated equilibria).
Genesis 1:2 could refer to the condition of the earth only about twelve thousand years ago (at the end of the Paleolithic period), after some cataclysm, such as a comet strike, had killed off all life on the planet (both evolved and miraculously created), and had submerged all land areas in water (comets contain huge amounts of water), and had ruined the atmosphere. The impact of the comet could have also knocked the earth out of its orbit around its original star, so that the earth was sent hurtling into the darkness of interstellar space as a "rogue planet" (astronomers estimate that rogue planets in our galaxy could outnumber the stars in our galaxy). Genesis 1:3 to 2:4 could then refer to God, over a period of six, literal, twenty-four-hour days (some twelve thousand years ago, at the start of the Neolithic period), miraculously restoring to the earth light, a good atmosphere, dry land, and life, including a race of male and female homo sapiens sapiens after God had miraculously restored land plants (Genesis 1:11-13) and land animals (Genesis 1:24-25) to the earth.
Then, only about six thousand years ago, God miraculously created on the earth an individual male homo sapiens sapiens named Adam in an uninhabited desert land (Genesis 2:5-7; there, the original Hebrew word translated as "earth" can simply refer to a certain "land": for example, Genesis 2:11). After that, God planted the plants of the local, Garden of Eden in that desert land (Genesis 2:8-9) and God placed Adam in that garden (Genesis 2:15). Then God miraculously created the animals of the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:19). Then God miraculously created in the Garden of Eden an individual female homo sapiens sapiens (Genesis 2:22) whom Adam named Eve (Genesis 3:20).
Because Adam was created only about six thousand years ago (based on Biblical chronology), yet there are homo sapiens sapiens fossils said to be as old as about two hundred thousand years, God could have first created homo sapiens sapiens (or it could have evolved by God's created process of evolution) as far back as about two hundred thousand years. Also, all the different hominid forms the fossils of which long predate or are as old as the earliest fossils of homo sapiens sapiens, and which preceding or coexisting hominid forms we do not consider to have been fully human like us (such as homo sapiens neanderthalensis), could have all been created by God (or could have evolved by God's created process of evolution) over millions of years prior to the first appearance of homo sapiens sapiens on the earth.
And this does not even get into the possibly trillion other inhabited planets in the universe on which homo sapiens sapiens (or similar or far more advanced life-forms) could have been created by God (or could have evolved by God's created process of evolution) billions of years prior to the first appearance of homo sapiens sapiens on the earth. For the universe could be about fourteen billion years old, and there are something like a hundred billion different galaxies, each containing something like a hundred billion different stars. So even if only one star out of every ten billion stars has an inhabited planet, there would still be a trillion inhabited planets. And on most of these, God could have begun his miraculous work (and the work of his created process of evolution) billions of years before beginning his miraculous work (and the work of his created process of evolution) on the earth.
It has not been said that God could not have created the whole universe in six days, but that nothing in the Bible requires that he did, because in Genesis 1:1, the original Hebrew word (shamayim, H8064) translated as "heaven" or "heavens" can be translated simply as the "air" in which the birds fly (for example, Genesis 1:30; 1 Samuel 17:44, Proverbs 30:19). So Genesis 1:1 does not have to be referring to when God created the universe (which could be some fourteen billion years old), or to when God created any of the other, trillion inhabited planets which could exist in the universe, but can simply be referring to when God created the earth (which could be some 4.5 billion years old) and its atmosphere.
And this in no way insults the power or magnitude of God, for he still is the Creator of everything that exists (John 1:3). And nothing in the Bible requires that everything that exists has to come into existence instantaneously, instead of through a gradual, natural process created by God. For example, God has a human today start out as a one-celled organism, a zygote, in its mother's womb, and then has it only gradually develop, through natural means, into an embryo, and then into a fetus, and then into a baby, and then into a toddler, and then into an adolescent, and then into an adult. And God has other animals today develop gradually in a similar way. And God has plants today start out as seeds. It must give God pleasure to see plants and animals develop naturally over time, just as it must give him pleasure to also sometimes create plants and animals instantaneously, miraculously, already fully-formed, like he did in Genesis 1:11-13 and Genesis 1:20-27, during three of the seven literal days of Genesis 1:3 to 2:4.
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Can you quote a scientific, peer-reviewed paper that proves that the odds of evolution happening are insurmountable and beyond modern calculation?
Khasilooluv said in post 36:
However we all know that in Genesis it says God created the Universe/Earth in 6 days.
Khasilooluv said in post 36:
Are you saying that these days are not literally days as in 24 hour days?
Spunkn quoted a website in post 37:
There is no room for a world-wide cataclysm interrupting those processes in the system of the geological ages. That is why no geologist would ever accept the ‘gap’ theory.
Spunkn quoted a website in post 37:
In order to have a world-wide cataclysm that would destroy all the pre-cataclysm mountains and cast them into the sea, so that there was the deep everywhere, and then blow billions of tons of debris up into the sky so that there was darkness over the deep everywhere, as Genesis 1:2 describes it, it would have to be a world-wide nuclear explosion, or volcanic explosion, or something which would literally disintegrate the crust of the earth where the fossils and the sedimentary rocks are that identify the geological ages.
Spunkn quoted a website in post 37:
So the ‘gap’ theory would destroy the evidence for the geological ages in order to accommodate them!
Spunkn quoted a website in post 37:
It is a self-negating theory scientifically; it creates overwhelming scientific problems.
Spunkn quoted a website in post 37:
We can be confident that a simple and straightforward, literal interpretation of the biblical record will satisfy all the real facts of geology.
Spunkn said in post 37:
The rest of the arcticle shows reasons why the gap theory is invalid as well.
Spunkn said in post 37:
Dr. Harold Morowitz, former professor of biophysics at Yale University, estimated that the probability of the chance formation of the smallest, simplest form of living organism known is 1 out of 10^340,000,000.
Spunkn said in post 37:
The very popular evolutionist, Dr. Carl Sagan of Cornell University, figured even steeper odds against the simplest life beginning naturally on a planet such as earth. According to Sagan, the probability would be about 1 out of 10^2,000,000,000.
Spunkn said in post 37:
Interestingly, these impossible odds against evolution came from one of the most prominent evolutionists of our time.
Spunkn said in post 37:
If you want the proof that evolution isn't true, it's out there.
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