Did God create man or did man create God?"

[StanMann]

Hi consol

Do you want to be left alone to dream your dreams?

 

[Nithavela]

That's not how religions see it, in fact for them the exact opposite is true, if they imagine it it becomes real, if it's in the Bible it most definitely happened just by someone making it up and writing it down.

I think that most religious people would disagree with that.

 

[StanMann]

I think that most religious people would disagree with that.

Of course they would because it's not what they want to believe.

 

[Aman777]

StanMann said: ↑
That's not how religions see it, in fact for them the exact opposite is true, if they imagine it it becomes real, if it's in the Bible it most definitely happened just by someone making it up and writing it down.

I think that most religious people would disagree with that.

Amen, since God, the Holy Spirit is the Author of ALL Scripture. He "moved" the men who penned the words, from inside them. Amen?

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The "holy men" comment shows agrees with the rest of the Bible in that the ONLY thing good about men, is their faith in God. God Bless you

 

[joshua 1 9]

We have thousands of examples of humans creating gods.
We have zero examples of gods creating anything - humans or otherwise.

If humans created gods then who created humans? Of course when you say "gods" this is polytheism and that is different from theism. So then according to Wiki you have to further qualify your belief through hard, soft, omni and so on? Are you able to present the same evidence for your belief in "gods" as you expect theists to present for their belief in a God that created us? Or are you just trying to say this is all just a product of our imagination and your not even sure we exist? If you go there to say we have a consciousness but no real substance then you still have to deal with the question of who created this consciousness or where did it come from?

The bottom line is this does not seem to solve problems or answer questions. IF anything this creates more questions then we had when we started. Looks like we are going in reverse. We end up know less then what we knew when we started.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Of course they would because it's not what they want to believe.

We do not want to believe anything, we want answers and solutions. We want a system of belief that solves more problems then it creates. Science is neutral, it can solve problems and answer questions. Or Science can cause a lot of problems and even be used to destroy the world and life as we know it.

 

[Willie T]

The irony of the term Big Bang is that it was small and there was no bang.

So, what "small" whatever banged?

 

[Foxhole87]

So, what "small" whatever banged?

I think you missed the part where there was no "bang".

 

[AV1611VET]

So, what "small" whatever banged?

"Big Bang" is one of those terms scientists made up, then plutoed.

In their beginning, a primordial atom existed, then began expanding.

Yet, even though they plutoed their own terms, they still use them.

The Bible, on the other hand, uses the term "great noise."

And It uses that term to signify the end of the universe -- not the beginning.

I could make a reference here about which end of a horse science has its myopic nose stuck in, but I'm not that kind of talker.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think you missed the part where there was no "bang".

So did Hoyle, et. alii.

But for some reason, it caught on like stink on onions.

I suspect that reason was because it was so diametrically opposed to Genesis 1, scientists were too ecstatic at the time to notice their own mistake.

 

[Foxhole87]

"Big Bang" is one of those terms scientists made up, then plutoed.

Yes, drat science for changing over time. I think it is hilarious and horrible that you consider "keeping up with the times" to be non-virtuous.

In their beginning, a primordial atom existed, then began expanding.

Wrong, and I know you've been around these forums long enough to know that it is wrong, so I am compelled that you are being dishonest with your presentation of what the Big Bang entails. There was no "primordial atom".

Yet, even though they plutoed their own terms, they still use them.

What does "plutoed" mean? Do you consider it troublesome that you can't understand what the Big Bang entails simply by what it is called? Do you consider it equally outrageous that your email inbox is called a mailbox even though it isn't an actual mailbox?

The Bible, on the other hand, uses the term "great noise."

"Great noise" is a good summary of your posts with regards to science.

And It uses that term to signify the end of the universe -- not the beginning.

Sounds like you have a problem with reality.

I could make a reference here about which end of a horse science has its myopic nose stuck in, but I'm not that kind of talker.

I would accuse fundamentalist Christianity of being a barrel of nonsense that remains an attack on the modern world and represents a dangerous, cancerous rejection of rationality as performed by its adherents who go out of their way to despise modern science while also enjoying all of the conveniences it provides... But I'm not that kind of guy.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So, what "small" whatever banged?

The universe started out very small, smaller then a mustard seed. It could have been very compact. So that the universe goes through a cycle of expanding and contracting or shrinking. What happened is that time grabbed a hold of matter. So the beginning was not really the beginning of the physical universe, it was the beginning of time. There are lots and lots of beginnings, here are a few of them more recent here on earth.

http://www.bbc.com/earth/bespoke/story/20150123-earths-25-biggest-turning-points/index.html

 

[joshua 1 9]

who go out of their way to despise modern science while also enjoying all of the conveniences it provides... But I'm not that kind of guy.

That door can swing both ways. There are people that enjoy all the conveniences provided by Christianity yet they want to bite the very hand that feeds them. Even God gives us science and they want to adore the gift but they reject the God that gave them the gift of science. In the Bible God calls Israel a harlot, perhaps for this very reason. They loved the jewelry and the adornment, but they despised the one that gave them all that they had.

8"And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also.9"Because of the lightness of her harlotry, she polluted the land and committed adultery with stones and trees.…Jer3

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, drat science for changing over time. I think it is hilarious and horrible that you consider "keeping up with the times" to be non-virtuous.

Ya ... imagine that.

I happen to think the earth was created in 4004 BC; not 4,700,000,000 BC.

Wrong, and I know you've been around these forums long enough to know that it is wrong, so I am compelled that you are being dishonest with your presentation of what the Big Bang entails. There was no "primordial atom".

What started expanding then?

What's it called?

What does "plutoed" mean?

QV please: Plutoed voted 2006 word of the year

Do you consider it troublesome that you can't understand what the Big Bang entails simply by what it is called?

Not at all.

After I got over the effects of finding out squirrels don't fly, I've come to not care less what scientists call things.

(El Niño -- and especially La Niña -- push my buttons though.)

Do you consider it equally outrageous that your email inbox is called a mailbox even though it isn't an actual mailbox?

No.

"Great noise" is a good summary of your posts with regards to science.

All of them?

Or just the one(s) that you don't like?

Sounds like you have a problem with reality.

The problem is on the wrong end.

You guys do.

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What does "plutoed" mean?

Pluto was demoted and is no longer considered to be a planet. Just like scientists decided that the famed dinosaur Brontosaurus never actually existed.

 

[Loudmouth]

So do you think there is more evidence that man created God then there is evidence that God created man?

I think you already provided the evidence for us. If God is real, then people who are against God should have been scattered. They aren't scattered.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I happen to think the earth was created in 4004 BC;

The very first word in the Bible is: "Beginning". This actually means first fruit. The seed is in the fruit. So the beginning is when the seed is first formed or created. There is absolutely no doubt that there was clearly a beginning in 4004 BC. Without that beginning you and I would not be having this conversation right now.

 

[AV1611VET]

That door can swing both ways. There are people that enjoy all the conveniences provided by Christianity yet they want to bite the very hand that feeds them. Even God gives us science and they want to adore the gift but they reject the God that gave them the gift of science. In the Bible God calls Israel a harlot, perhaps for this very reason. They loved the jewelry and the adornment, but they despised the one that gave them all that they had.

8"And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also.9"Because of the lightness of her harlotry, she polluted the land and committed adultery with stones and trees.…Jer3

Good post!

 

[joshua 1 9]

I think you already provided the evidence for us. If God is real, then people who are against God should have been scattered. They aren't scattered.

People are given time to reconsider the error of their way. In Heaven everything will take place in an instant, right away, there will be no delay. But here there is a delay and people are given a chance to reconsider and change their ways. This is what time is all about. Today is the day and this is the time of salvation while it is still day. Because the night will come and the day will end. We all have a choice and we are all given a chance to choose. God will not decide for us. Each individual must decide for themselves.

 

[Foxhole87]

That door can swing both ways. There are people that enjoy all the conveniences provided by Christianity yet they want to bite the very hand that feeds them. Even God gives us science and they want to adore the gift but they reject the God that gave them the gift of science. In the Bible God calls Israel a harlot, perhaps for this very reason. They loved the jewelry and the adornment, but they despised the one that gave them all that they had.

8"And I saw that for all the adulteries of faithless Israel, I had sent her away and given her a writ of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear; but she went and was a harlot also.9"Because of the lightness of her harlotry, she polluted the land and committed adultery with stones and trees.…Jer3

There's nothing tangible or useful that Christianity offers that can't be provided by secular means. Comparing the offerings of Christianity to the offerings of science is ludicrous. Sorry, but science got rid of smallpox, it heals the sick, it gave you your computer, it gave you the Internet, it gave you the clothes you wear, the electricity and plumbing in your home, your car, the streets you drive on, the traffic lights that keep the roads from descending into anarchy, the food you eat, and everything else you take for granted.