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You can believe in heliocentrism without compromising the Word because there are no verses that even address whether the sun revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun: Geocentrism was assumed, but not necessarily taught in scripture. Evolution and billions of years however is a massive threat to the clear teaching of Genesis.The bible never puts a date on "in the beginning" so do not add to scripture = sin.
The evidence is overwhelming for an old earth see http://www.wonderlylib.ibri.org/Wonderly-TimeRecords/htm/doc.html
Finally, we all accept science (the study of God's works) to help us better understand his word when it comes to a sun centered solar system when there are far more verses implying and actually stating that the sun goes around the earth. The ONLY reasons we reject the earth centered universe are scientific NOT better Hebrew translation.
See The lost world of Genesis One by Walton for a better interpretation of Genesis that is still Biblical and respects the authority of the Word
Or it just could be that the biblical account is truth.
Fence straddlers like you live in a fantasy world.
Its either all true and you base your life upon it or its just a book like any other....
You can believe in heliocentrism without compromising the Word because there are no verses that even address whether the sun revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun: Geocentrism was assumed, but not necessarily taught in scripture. Evolution and billions of years however is a massive threat to the clear teaching of Genesis.
Joshua 10 says the sun and moon stood still, not the earth. Eccl says the sun sets and hurries back to where it rises. Ps 19 implies the sun goes around the earth and another psalm says the earth cannot be moved. We all take these now as descriptions from a human point of view because the science for a sun centered universe is overwhelming as is the evidence for an old earth and universe to say that there is good scientific evidence for a young earth is just not truthful don't repeat long refuted young earth arguments - it is dividing the church over a minor issue: the age of the creation.You can believe in heliocentrism without compromising the Word because there are no verses that even address whether the sun revolves around the earth or the earth revolves around the sun: Geocentrism was assumed, but not necessarily taught in scripture. Evolution and billions of years however is a massive threat to the clear teaching of Genesis.
So you are admitting that your last statement was misleading? That the Bible in fact says nothing about Satan using magic to create fossils.
Also, the Bible portrays witchcraft as a reality so if magic does work the Biblical authors really weren't hiding the fact that it works.
Saying Satan magiced some fossils would be no different than talking about the witch of endor, Egyptians turning sticks to snakes, etc.. All sorts of occult things are already mentioned.
So what you're saying is that God's Word contradicts reality. I see nothing suggesting Geocentrism in God stopping the sun and moon by His power, or in Solomon describing his observations of the sun, or in the psalms, or anywhere in the Bible.Joshua 10 says the sun and moon stood still, not the earth. Eccl says the sun sets and hurries back to where it rises. Ps 19 implies the sun goes around the earth and another psalm says the earth cannot be moved. We all take these now as descriptions from a human point of view because the science for a sun centered universe is overwhelming as is the evidence for an old earth and universe to say that there is good scientific evidence for a young earth is just not truthful don't repeat long refuted young earth arguments - it is dividing the church over a minor issue: the age of the creation.
If the flood did not produce the fossil record, then what did in context of a young earth view? I have heard it said that God could have created coal when He formed the world. But coal comes from organic remains, pressurized over long periods of time. Also, coal seams contain fossils, such as the imprints of leaves and other organic structures. If God created this, he is essentially making detailed evidence of something alive that never lived. Would God do this?
If the flood did not produce the fossil record, then what did in context of a young earth view? I have heard it said that God could have created coal when He formed the world. But coal comes from organic remains, pressurized over long periods of time. Also, coal seams contain fossils, such as the imprints of leaves and other organic structures. If God created this, he is essentially making detailed evidence of something alive that never lived. Would God do this?
You have still no answers about:But.....
Then there's Adam. And let's not forget Eve.You see, not everything comes from where we think is the only place that things can come from.
No, it's the claim that the writings of the Holy men were the inerrant Word to begin with that is in contradiction to reality today. It could be argued that the literate leaders of the people meant well when establishing their authority on the written word, and in fact it was sufficient to keep the people together in faith in one age, but as mankind has become more enlightened and educated the same claims have become a stumbling block.So what you're saying is that God's Word contradicts reality. I see nothing suggesting Geocentrism in God stopping the sun and moon by His power, or in Solomon describing his observations of the sun, or in the psalms, or anywhere in the Bible.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world ARE CLEARLY SEEN, being understood by the THINGS THAT ARE MADE"... (Romans 1:20, KJV).
The principle of "observation" as proof, is not only stated in the Bible, (as indicated in the passage above), but is also recognized by the scientific method as one of its' principles as well. In order for a scientific theory to be valid, it must be observable. That's what Sir Issac Newton used when he dropped an apple and observed the force of gravity acting on the apple. The force of gravity, then became part of Newton's theory about the "Laws of Motion".
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" Albert Einstein.
I agree with Einstein. Religion without science is blind. To me the Genesis creation story is filled with fact, that has been substantiated by modern science. Science says the universe began with the "Big Bang". Take a look at the first three lines of Genesis. "The earth was without form and void"(Gen.1:2)... What is earth (matter), without form ??? The Bible is talking about subatomic matter, isn't it ?! "And God moved upon the face of the waters". What are the different faces (forms) of water ? Isn't its' molecular designation H2o one of them ?! (two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen).
What happens when an atom of hydrogen is "moved upon", or "split" ?! You release an awful lot of energy, don't you ? Energy in the form of what ??? "And God said, Let there be Light" (Gen.1:3) !!! What science calls the Big Bang. The theory of hydrogen fission is right there staring everyone in the face, in the first three lines of Genesis.
You read a little further, and it says life was brought forth from the waters (Gen. 1:21). I believe science also states as well life on this planet began in the oceans. It also says, "God created the great whales and every winged fowl"... The word "whale" as it appears in the KJV Bible, is of course a poor transliteration. In the original Hebrew text, the words appear, "God created the terrible creatures that are in the sea". Today we know of course whales are not terrifying creatures at all, but that's what they had when they wrote the KJV. We also know the ancient oceans were once filled with truly terrifying marine reptiles. Horrifying predators like Plesiosaurs and Kronosaurus. Am I surprised the Bible mentions the creation of fowl in the same verse with dinosaurs. Not at all. I'd be surprised if it didn't.
Science now recognizes modern birds (fowl) are the direct descendants of dinosaurs. In fact, today dinosaurs are scientifically divided into one of two major categories. Avian (bird-like) and Non-Avian Dinosaurs. From the fossil record, we know raptors were covered with short, downy (pre-flight) feathers, while other dinosaurs (Thuropods) did not share this characteristic. The dinosaur "Archeoptorix" developed full flight feathers, and was probably at least capable of gliding from one tree to another. So it's scientifically correct, for the Bible to mention dinosaurs and fowl "together", as some dinosaur (like Archeoptorix), were more bird like than reptile.
Genesis 1:24 describes a later creation, in which the (earth) brings forth cattle (mammals), creeping things (modern insects and reptiles), and beast of the earth. Is this a description of the emergence of animal life after the extinction of the dinosaurs ???. Life adapting to it's environment on earth ?! Evolution ? Isn't that what science teaches ???
What "beast" is the Bible referring to in Genesis 1:24 ?! I think we know from the fossil record and the bones of the early hominids we've discovered. Australopithicus and their relatives. Neanderthal and Cromagnon, early homo-sapiens come next. Then about ten thousand years ago, evolution is suddenly and inexplicably interrupted, with the appearance of homo sapien-sapien, or modern man. Science admits, they are unable to produce the "missing link" that connects us directly to these earlier creatures.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness".. (Genesis 1:26).
Notice also in Genesis 1:28, this creation of man in the image of God is commanded to be "fruitful, multiple and replenish the earth". Although early hominids and homo-sapiens existed, they certainly never existed in numbers that suggest they were fruitful, or dominating the earth. The use of the word "replenish" in this verse is also interesting, as it suggests refilling the earth with something that had once been there, but disappeared.
"And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground" (Genesis 4:2).
The story of Cain and Able is also fascinating from a scientific standpoint. According to the University of Jerusalem, archeology has proven the earliest evidence of agriculture appears around the Sea of Galilee where the earth was first tilled and grain was harvested and grinded. However, the first evidence of the domestication of livestock (sheep and cattle) appears in the Near East and Central Asia, where the first ancient cities appear. After Cain slew Able and he was banished, Cain was also cursed so that the earth would no longer yield anything when it was tilled, (Genesis 4:12), and Cain became the builder of a city, (Gen.4:17).
So in almost every respect, the origin of life on this planet, as well as the chronology of its' development, and the story of how agriculture and livestock developed separately, are both the same in science and in the Bible. What do you think ? Are science and religion that far apart on the creation story ? Not the way I read it, they aren't.
From where come the hundred(s) millions of years old fossils?
From where come the 4,5 billions years old geological dating of the Earth ?
God is a person not a law.That is an interesting story you have made up - but it glosses over a lot of "details" in a free will universe.
Laws that have no real penalty other than "forgiveness" become "no law at all".
Rom 3:31 Paul asks the question as to whether the Gospel does in fact destroy the Law of God by wiping out the penalty - and Paul's answer is "God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 31:31.
The solution that you have "made up" only destroys the Law of the universe - it does not "establish it".
Turns out - God knew what He was doing. But those who simply "make stuff up" are trying their hand at besting God when it comes to His solution and the Gospel - but they will never be able to match Him let alone "best" Him.
there is a true God, Who is absolutely good, which also means not a bit evil, while the rest of the divine is "darkness"
So, when man comes to me and says, "Look, we have proof that some thing is millions or billions of years old". But can't actually offer me someone's testimony that saw the thing come into existence millions or billions of years ago and I have God's testimony that says that in seven days God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them, I'm going with God's testimony. I believe God. I trust that He has told me the truth as to the how, why and when this created realm came to exist.
The changing of a spelling in a word does not in any way change the context.Um, you were talking about Biblical inerrancy and you just gave us an example of an error in the transmission of the text. Kinda defeats your premise.
honestly speaking, satan is rather the one that has materialized the prehistoric fossils in order to mislead the worshipers that there is ostensibly no true God i.e. good/righteous
Blessings
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