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Indeed. "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"
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I belive what I think is true, I'm not going to be a phony and claim to beleive things that don't sound true.
Logic? The term logic and the 2 flood stories have nothing in common.No it wasn't.
And using your own logic on that point - you affirm my "no it wasn't" as much as your "yes it was" because in your book we are both just making stuff up.
In my book - you are making stuff up -- and the Bible is the "Word of God"
Hate to break it to you, but that's how atheists think. According to their presuppositions God just doesn't sound true. If you want to live in a world where truth is based on what people think "sounds" true, then that is your choice.I belive what I think is true, I'm not going to be a phony and claim to beleive things that don't sound true.
Logic? The term logic and the 2 flood stories have nothing in common.
The flood story was a genealogical device used by the Hebrew redactors who could not trace their bloodlines back to Adam. To fill the gap they drowned the world.
Logic? The term logic and the 2 flood stories have nothing in common.
Here we go....
Believing in Jesus didn't require one to believe the OT to be perfect. And Jesus never said his mom was a virgin, but the Pagans who adopted Pauls gospel did have such beliefs about deity. We get the erroneous Dec 25 birthdate and the Easter bunny from the Pagans as well.You have glossed over a number of details. The 2 Tim 3:16 statement says that all scripture is inspired by God - not "penned by God" --
In any case - you are on a Christian discussion board - should not be too surprising that not everyone believes your "Bible not reliably the Word of God" speculation. I think you would also agree to this point.
There are some on this board like 'hogshead' who claim they reject the virgin birth and the miracles of the Bible - and the 7 day creation week - and the world wide flood - and can only bring themselves to support the self-proclaimed atheists and agnostics who post on this board - when they are speaking to such topics. And yet he kinda wishes to be classed as "Christian" in some inexplicable fashion - just as you use your free will choice to deny the Bible in your own way - so do they use their free will choice to 'make stuff up' that is almost identical to atheism.
Everyone has free will.
But in the end "making your own stuff up" will not get eternity handed to you in the next life. God made life on this planet AND He gave us the Bible - there mankind is without excuse.
Christmas and Easter aren't even found in the Bible, so what does it matter that they are pagan?Believing in Jesus didn't require one to believe the OT to be perfect. And Jesus never said his mom was a virgin, but the Pagans who adopted Pauls gospel did have such beliefs about deity. We get the erroneous Dec 25 birthdate and the Easter bunny from the Pagans as well.
The two flood stories side by side: http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/cflood.htmNo it wasn't.
And using your own logic on that point - you affirm my "no it wasn't" as much as your "yes it was" because in your book we are both just making stuff up.
In my book - you are making stuff up -- and the Bible is the "Word of God"
A. I don't know what you mean by "two flood stories"
B. I think you actually do agree with my statement above - you believe I have the same legitimacy and right to make stuff up - as you do.
Any examples?Other Pagan ideas did find their way into Pauls theology which dominates the NT books.
Fossil records existed before the flood. The biblical flood would have been what roughly 4,000 years ago. Fossils take thousands andt housands of years to form .
Yes, blood atonement is a Pagan influence in Judausm as well. In fact it was common among many religions. In the minds of primitive man something of great value must be exchanged to persuade the Gods. Man finds it difficult to swallow his pride and accept forgiveness born of love, experienced by forgiving in return.Haha. Wow. You got me. Ever read the Old Testament?
Yes, blood atonement is a Pagan influence in Judausm as well. In fact it was common among many religions. In the minds of primitive man something of great value must be exchanged to persuade the Gods. Man finds it difficult to swallow his pride and accept forgiveness born of love, experienced by forgiving in return.
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