Did God Create Fossils?

stephen583 · Mar 21, 2016

Just Ben said:
I think people should question the scientific method of carbon dating. Did you know there was a mythbuster episode that proved carbon dating to be false/ as in its not accurate. They put a piece of sweaty cloth in an oven at low heat for 3 days, when they carbon dated the piece it showed up as being over 600 years old.

I know how to cross contaminate a DNA sample and produce an inaccurate report as well . Does that prove DNA evidence is pseudoscience ?! Of course not. All it proves is there is a way of screwing up the results of a scientific procedure. Same thing Mythbusters did with carbon dating. Naturally if you heat up anything, you're going to alter its' carbon content a bit.

What Mythbusters was unable to demonstrate, was the ability to significantly change the carbon content of cloth by heating it. Six hundred years is a blink of the eye in geologic terms. Could Mythbusters produce a piece of heated cloth that dates to two or three million years B.C. ?! I seriously doubt it. If they could have, they would have.

Carbon dating is only one of the indicators of the age of an object. That result has to be verified by other means. Archeologists also use geologic strata identification as a means of verifying the accuracy of a carbon dating estimate.

If you find something carbon dated at 1,000 years B.C. in a sediment dating from one million years B.C. you obviously have a serious problem with the carbon dating result. However, if the carbon dating and the age of the sediment match, you have a BINGO.

Archeologists also take other samples from the same known strata and carbon date those as well, using them as a control, to verify the accuracy of an estimate on an object or artifact. In order for a method to be reliable, you must be able to verify and reproduce it.

I guess what I'm saying is, given the choice between trusting scientists and archeologists, or a television entertainment program like Mythbusters, I'm going to go with the former as an authority on what is real and what is fake.

Oh yeah. From personal experience as an outdoorsman, I guarantee you there is no way two people who haven't had a hot soapy bath in several weeks would sleep next to each other, sit together, or even stand next to each other, the way they do on the television program "Survivor". It's fake. Don't believe everything you see on T.V. Ben. Lol.

Steve Petersen · Mar 21, 2016

stephen583 said:
IMO, acknowledging the reality humans other than those created in the image of God existed alongside Adam and his descendants, answers a great many questions about the creation story of Genesis that can not be rationalized any other way. Even though the Scripture says Adam and Eve had more sons and daughters, other than the three sons who are named in the Genesis narrative.. The question remains, "Who did Cain marry" whom God banished and cursed ?! He couldn't have married any of Adam's descendants, now could he ?!

There is also the obvious question and problem of who Seth married ? Did he marry one of his own sister ?! Forget about the later biblical prohibition against incest, what about the problem of genetic diversity ?! One couple, a man and a woman, can not constitute a viable breeding population of humans. It's scientifically impossible. Interbreeding between Adam's descendants would have eventually led to a dead end. Adam's offspring would have succumb to genetic abnormality, infant mortality and congenital disease.

In a few more years, there won't be any more tigers in captivity. The captive tiger population has been interbred to the point, the remaining tigers are no longer viable candidates for reproduction. The same outcome would result in a small and isolated population of humans that interbred. There had to be a diverse and unrelated human population available in order for mankind to be "fruitful, to multiple and fill the earth".

Theologians have come up with all kinds of extraneous and erroneous theories to try and answer the question. Everything from proposing God suspended natural law with some miracle, to Adam's descendants having sex with angels. IMO, none of which is explicitly described anywhere in the Genesis narrative.

The existence of non-adamic man, also explains the mystery in the story of the Biblical Flood, where the patriarch Noah (after having followed God's instructions to the letter, and survived the flood), then becomes a drunk and lays naked before God. What is that all about ??? Obviously there was a problem between Noah and God. The problem isn't specifically addressed in the narrative, but it is alluded to in the flood story itself.

What did Noah think when he released a dove and it returned with an "olive twig plucked off a tree" in its' beak ?! Noah would have realized instantly, that twig didn't come off any tree that had been under the waters of the flood. He would have also realized intuitively the flood could not have been a global event, but could only have been local in nature.. and somewhere out there, the descendants of Cain had also survived the flood.

In Noah's mind, the flood and its destruction, had been totally without meaning, so he plants a vineyard and becomes a drunk. Mystery solved.

What Noah didn't understand, was that God had correctly destroyed the segment of humanity that was the problem. It was the descendants of Adam and Cain that had filled the earth with violence and needed to be destroyed... not primordial man. There is no archeological evidence to substantiate any claim homo-sapiens were warlike, or violent creatures. No skeletal remains have ever been found showing evidence of homo-sapiens murdering each other with weapons. It simply doesn't exist.

Homo sapien-sapien (modern man) however is a different story. Our history is a litany of continuous and ongoing violence from the time Cain slew Able, right up until modern times. Now we have developed the weapons to destroy the Earth itself and all the creations therein.. Which will constitute a violation of Gods everlasting covenant with Noah (The Noahic Covenant), in which God promises never again to destroy the earth because of the wickedness of mankind.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/human-history-and-adam-as-archetype.7933691/

BobRyan · Mar 21, 2016

Colter said:
Or, the fragments of the more ancient Adamic story, pieced together for Genesis from Mesopotamian lore, are about an incarnate Adam and Eve,

There are a great many pagan alternatives to the truths of God's Word -- I think all Christians on the board would agree to that point.

Colter said:
Or, the men who wrote Genesis didn't know any better

Certainly that dime-a-dozen idea from our atheist and agnostic opponents of Christianity - is "old stories told over and over again" as they simply "make stuff up" as their 'alternative to the Bible'.

Fine - but this is a Christian discussion board - you can't expect everyone here to share the atheist starting assumptions.

You have to at least show some objectivity when coming here - provide something other than "be an atheists and don't believe the Bible anymore" as the "bridge" for discussion.

in Christ,

Bob

BobRyan · Mar 21, 2016

Just Ben said:
I think people should question the scientific method of carbon dating. Did you know there was a mythbuster episode that proved carbon dating to be false/ as in its not accurate. They put a piece of sweaty cloth in an oven at low heat for 3 days, when they carbon dated the piece it showed up as being over 600 years old. So for instance, some fossils contain more carbon than others not because of age but because of the heat, rain, and minerals in certain regions.
There is no proof that carbon dating is dead on accurate yet people seem to throw reason out the window when a super "smart" person just says so. So in theory you have to have faith that scientists are telling the truth making people slaves to scientific reason.

Carbon dating has a starting premise - which is that the concentration of C-14 in the atmosphere during the life of the organism is the same as it is today. So then c-14 'not building up' over time nor is it "allowed" that any starting conditions or environmental "canopy" could possibly exist that might "affect" atheist assumptions for the timeline.

Lots of "ifs" in that bit of story telling used by the radiometric model for detecting age..

BobRyan · Mar 21, 2016

Colter said:
That's Paul's gospel but he can't be blamed, he never knew Jesus.

How do you know that he did not see Jesus as he claims he did -- were you there? Did you get the video?

The lake of fire was made up by people who have no better ideas

Denying the Rev 20 Lake of Fire event that is predicted to happen in Rev 20 after the 1000 year millennium - was made up by people who can't afford to admit to the truth.

You can post your bias - I can post mine - but mine is from the actual Word of God.

See how easy that is??

Why not try out something more objective?

enfyre · Mar 21, 2016

Satan put the bones there to trick believers. Dinosaurs are not a part of God's plan and CREATION.
God bless you. Deny the dinosaur LIE.
#christians against dinosaurs

BobRyan · Mar 21, 2016

enfyre said:
Satan put the bones there to trick believers. Dinosaurs are not a part of God's plan and CREATION.
God bless you. Deny the dinosaur LIE.
#christians against dinosaurs

Or maybe the monsanto experiment was going on before the flood.

Hoghead1 · Mar 21, 2016

There are two contradictory accounts in Genesis, Riberra. In Gen. 1, first animals, then man and woman together. In Gen.2, first man, then animals, then woman.

Riberra · Mar 21, 2016

Hoghead1 said:
There are two contradictory accounts in Genesis, Riberra. In Gen. 1, first animals, then man and woman together. In Gen.2, first man, then animals, then woman.

We are in agreement ... these are two - different - accounts.
Genesis 1:26-28 is about mankind (male and female created He them) after the creation of the (wild) animal kingdom (male and female ) with the command to replenish the Earth.
.....
Genesis 2 is about the creation of a man (Adam) that God placed in a Garden -isolated- from the humans created on the 6 Th day for a special purpose... a test that Adam and Eve have failed mentionned in Genesis 3.

Genesis 2:7:23 Sequence :The Man (ADAM)....The Garden of Eden... )farm animals...Eve.

Genesis 2:7-8
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Hoghead1 · Mar 21, 2016

No, sorry, that does not work, Riberra. The Bible does not speak of any preAdamites.

Riberra · Mar 22, 2016

Hoghead1 said:
No, sorry, that does not work, Riberra. The Bible does not speak of any preAdamites.

Genesis 1:26-28.... Humans Male and female were created by God at the same time...with the command to multiply and replenish the Earth.
While that
Genesis 2:7-8 ...... Adam was created by God and placed in the Garden of Eden ...no such command was given to Adam and Eve ...The command that God have given to Adam and Eve was -- Do not touch the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.--

Hoghead1 · Mar 22, 2016

Sorry, Riberra, that still won't give you PreAdamites.

Riberra · Mar 22, 2016

Hoghead1 said:
Sorry, Riberra, that still won't give you PreAdamites.

Can you explain why the sentence used is God created MANKIND in HIS image....male and female he created THEM ?
Genesis 1
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Hoghead1 · Mar 22, 2016

It says that, Riberra, because we are dealing with two completely different creation accounts.

Riberra · Mar 22, 2016

Hoghead1 said:
It says that, Riberra, because we are dealing with two completely different creation accounts.

Account 1 (Genesis 1:26-28) run its course....
Account 2 (Genesis 2:7-23) runs its course....

There is an evidence mentioned in the Bible that at some point in time there was convergence/

Hoghead1 · Mar 22, 2016

Oh, really? And just where might that be?

Riberra · Mar 22, 2016

Hoghead1 said:
Oh, really? And just where might that be?

Genesis 4 /

...Based on the text Cain was a young man
probably betwen 16 and 20 years old when he killed his twin brother Abel ...that leave us with 3 humans on the whole Earth based on mainstream and historical Christianity ....
Question:
If there was nobody else than Cain ,Adam and Eve how do you explain Cain's fear of being slain by other humans?From where came Cain's wife?For whom Cain builded a city?

Genesis 4

13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Hoghead1 · Mar 22, 2016

That's the problem, Riberra. There are biblical personnel here not accounted for.

Riberra · Mar 22, 2016

Hoghead1 said:
That's the problem, Riberra. There are biblical personnel here not accounted for.

They are accounted for.... these other people came from the humans (Mankind)created by God on the 6Th day who have multiplied and replenished the Earth.

Genesis 1:26-28

Hoghead1 · Mar 22, 2016

That won't work, Riberra. For one thing, the Bible never speaks about Preadamites. For another, sin is seen as entering through Adam and his descendants.

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