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9Harmony said:Hi Bevlina,
I would venture to say...
Ego.
Just my 2 cents.
Have a great day!
-Amy
Lucifer had freedom of will, he was the anointed cherub that covers or an arch angel There are only one or two verses that call him that in isaiah and ezekial so it doesn't give much information as to what an anointed cherub is, one is ezekial 28:14. There are three orders of angels cherubim, seraphim and angles which are all called angels and a cherub the highest order. anyway lucifer got jelous. It says he was perfect in all his ways till iniquity was found in him. If God didn't create that iniquity and angels don't have the power to create, evil is logically a non intity. or a lack of good.Bevlina said:This thread has become very interesting! But, I'm still trying to work out just HOW evil began in the spiritual realm.
Casiopeia said:I think you have said something that often comes to my mind that people tend to project human emotion onto God. I don't agree with the interpretation of man that says God is a jealous and vengeful God. That has not been my experience.
I can see how you would come to think the way you do if all you are left to is the teachings of man and not personal experience.
Casi (not getting out any devices to torture you like they would have in medievil times)[/QUOTE I don't think God can realy be jelous or he would not be god. Jelousy is a human emotion as we think of jelousus. I think that is a metaohor. God gives himself human characteristics so we can understandhim better. I think god uses metaphors in the quran too. Muslims does he?
ravenscape said:Wow, that was amazing to read here. Spiritual beings in the material realm is exactly what we are. The human experience is sweet, poignant, painful, funny, and so much more. But in the end the human experience doesn't define us. We are more than that. Much more.
BB!
Casiopeia said:I think what people like to blame here on God as "the wrath of God" is really the natural consequences of our actions. I think we pretty much create the cause and effect thing ourselves. If you are rude and nasty to your neighbor while they may not retaliate, they will not consider you a friend perhaps and limit their exposure to you and they could really be great people. Or if you cheat on your taxes...one day...mr. IRS will come knocking on your door and the penalties and late fees are HORRENDOUS! I don't believe that God takes our loved ones away from us or punishes us. I think the Divine waits for us to come to him and then he supports us and answers us. Sometimes the kindest answers I have gotten to prayer have been no. Being so very human I don't always have the big picture in mind nor do I know what is always best for me.
Casi (so very grateful for a loving Father)
If God created good and evil wouldn't that make him evil?Talmidah said:Yes.
it would make God good and evil; but this also depends on how one defines evilurnotme said:If God created good and evil wouldn't that make him evil?
negative things sometimes gain substance as with wars and violenceurnotme said:I think it began with the fall of lucifer, reallly before the fall when the thought entered into his mind. Evil is the absence if good and like you say it's like a vacuum, a non entity if you will. Kind of like a negative number.
the gap theory that you refer to is held by the Assembly of God denomination, which is a rather mainstream Christian denominationurnotme said:If you believe that God is good how could a good god create something evil or corrupt? Which is why I think there was a span of time between genusis 1:1 and 1:2 but that's a differant subject. Maybe not, when god created the world it was good. Something had to happen to make it bad and so it was with all good. God didn't create bad he created good. It had to be man's choice to turn good into bad. By not doing good man does bad.
so if evil is not really evil, then is good really good? how are we defining good and evil?urnotme said:I agree religion bashing gets us nowhere and does more harm than good. You post something then the other guy does and it turns into an arguement. It's like I'll tell you what you believe then you tell me what I believe and we both know what not to believe. To address your question I don't think evil was created in the sense that most people think. It is a distortion of good which was created by God in the beginning. Man was created by God, man turned good into evil, god is said to have created evil because god created man who distorted what was good turning it into evil. Man can't create, he can only corrupt that which had been created. That gives me an idea for a thread on the meaning of some words.
urnotme said:If God created good and evil wouldn't that make him evil?Doesn't it say in your scriptures that God is light and in him is no darkness? I think evil would qualify as darkness.
Casiopeia said:I disagree...darkness is the absense of light. It has nothing to do with evil only metaphorically. When they speak of good, they speak of it giving light...or rather enlightenment.
I can just see all the little kids being afraid of the sun going down and afraid that they would be surrounded in evil.
gaijin178 said:I have to admit Casi, I am a little afraid of the dark....lol...sorry, it's friday and I am in a goofy mood!
I define good as good and evil as a lack of good. There are differant degrees of it but it isn't good. Unless you think the end justifies the means it can't have been created by God. God can make good into bad but that doesn't mean he wanted the bad to happen. It's like you shouldn't go out and fight a war just because you can win it.~Nihilus~ said:so if evil is not really evil, then is good really good? how are we defining good and evil?
i believe that (moral) evil originates from a lack of good, but people can grant a psuedo-substance to evil through their actionsurnotme said:I define good as good and evil as a lack of good. There are differant degrees of it but it isn't good. Unless you think the end justifies the means it can't have been created by God. God can make good into bad but that doesn't mean he wanted the bad to happen. It's like you shouldn't go out and fight a war just because you can win it.
I agree~Nihilus~ said:i believe that (moral) evil originates from a lack of good, but people can grant a psuedo-substance to evil through their actions
That's true, God is described as being light would that not be a metaphor too? Since God is good and God is light in my mind goodness is light.The lack of light is dark, the lack of good is evil.Casiopeia said:I disagree...darkness is the absense of light. It has nothing to do with evil only metaphorically. When they speak of good, they speak of it giving light...or rather enlightenment.
I can just see all the little kids being afraid of the sun going down and afraid that they would be surrounded in evil.
Bevlina said:This thread has become very interesting! But, I'm still trying to work out just HOW evil began in the spiritual realm.
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