did get this right, no more war?

[Atha]

ahh we are pulling out or what?

 

[Atha]

ahh we are pulling out or what?

well we should if were not..

 

[Carey]

If we pull out our enemy will view us as weak and come to us soil faster and in greater #'S

Go to Labrary Check out the Quaran and read Surah their equivalent of Chapter 8.

Islamic Governments that do not condemn terrorist groups and will not help disarm them are our enemy. We must not allow them to regroup and plan.
We must stay on there heals keeping them on the run losing 100's of soldiers to avoid losing tens or 100's of thousand CICILIANS on our soil.

If they get the Bomb they will try to kill everyone on earth that will not convert to Islam. Read the Quaran then you wil be glad our courageous military is in the middle east especially.

 

[applepowerpc]

Only reason we'll pull out is because we need the troops to attack Iran.

 

[ArnautDaniel]

The US will pull out eventually, and without accomplishing its objectives. The Iraqis will inevitably have to violently create some sort of workable order with many more attendant deaths.

The only thing in question now is how many people will die between now and then, and how much treasure the US will squander on a hopeless endeavor.

 

[Treppers]

applepower: Right on, brother.

The insurgency in Iraq is alive and well, as reported recently by the New York Times. Fully 70% of roadside bombs in July were directed against occupation (US-UK) forces; July was also the most violent since the insurgency began.

Under international law the occupied (Iraqis, Palestinians also) are allowed to resist the Occupier (us) by any means. This isn't me saying I don't mind our troops being killed by Iraqis' legitimate resistance to our occupation of their country, it's me saying, "GET THEM THE HELL OUT. NOW." Why should they have to die just so US energy corporations can reap the benefits and the US government can gain more global economic leverage?

Will people do the decent thing and call for our troops be brought home out of (legitimate) harms way? Don't be silly. They must be forced to "stay the course" so we don't "cut and run." What a load of rubbish.

If you have even the remotest shred of concern for our troops, you'd help to bring them home, and stay home.

 

[Treppers]

I should add that US energy corporations are exempt from prosecution by Presidential Executive Order 13303:

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that the threat of attachment or other judicial process against the Development Fund for Iraq, Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products, and interests therein, and proceeds, obligations, or any financial instruments of any nature whatsoever arising from or related to the sale or marketing thereof, and interests therein, obstructs the orderly reconstruction of Iraq, the restoration and maintenance of peace and security in the country, and the development of political, administrative, and economic institutions in Iraq. This situation constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.

Hear that? Any company from the US which so much as touches Iraqi oil is exempt from prosecution because it may hinder "the orderly reconstruction of Iraq." I think the fact that we can safely put such claims to one side (what reconstruction?) speaks volumes.

This war was only ever about US energy corporation profit and securing global economic leverage, via control of the world's oil, for the US. As others have pointed out, every economy needs oil. If you have the oil, you have the world under your thumb.

Long live US imperialism. What's the count now, 300+ thousand dead Iraqi civilians? We truly are the greatest democracies on earth.

I loved this quote in the Financial Times today by Barham Salih, deputy prime minister in charge of the economy: [FONT=&quot]“Iraq is a devastated economic wasteland.” Yup, we've done good boys.

But it gets better! Who was in charge when Order 13303 was passed? You'll like this, Executive Order 13290.

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, hereby determine that the United States and Iraq are engaged in armed hostilities, that it is in the interest of the United States to confiscate certain property of the Government of Iraq and its agencies, instrumentalities, or controlled entities, and that all right, title, and interest in any property so confiscated should vest in the Department of the Treasury. I intend that such vested property should be used to assist the Iraqi people and to assist in the reconstruction of Iraq, and determine that such use would be in the interest of and for the benefit of the United States.

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It's a US takeover of whatever he wants! Bush goes on to state explicitily what is to be confiscated; he specifies total US takeover, right and entitlement to "[a]ll blocked funds held in the United States in accounts in the name of the Government of Iraq, the Central Bank of Iraq", and "any and all property of the Government of Iraq, including its agencies, instrumentalities, or controlled entities, and to take additional steps, including the promulgation of rules and regulations as may be necessary, to carry out the purposes of this order." It's just total takeover of Iraqi funds, property everything. Surely this transfer should be to the UN? What right does the US have to have sole control over the whole of Iraq? Nevermind, its not like we cared or did anything to stop it, eh?
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Grant yourself total control, then grant yourself total immunity. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]You couldn't make it up. [/FONT]

 

[Treppers]

Only a mere 52 dead today in bomb attacks I see:

Iraq bomb attacks kill 52

Agencies
Wednesday August 30, 2006
Guardian Unlimited

A bomb attack on a market in central Baghdad this morning killed 24 people and injured 35.
At least 28 people died in a string of attacks elsewhere in the country as the Iraqi government continued to struggle towards next month's deadline for taking control of its security forces[FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

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Ah well.
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[Carey]

You must not study Prophecy

 

[Carey]

a soldier whos job description is to die if need be

Or 10 or even 100 times more of our civilians because our soldiers are'nt where they need to be to prevent that?

 

[Carey]

knows our true Goal is to keep the terrorist on the run over there
lso less civilians die here by terrorist attacks.

The other reasons were just part of the agenda

 

[Carey]

Islam will never stop trying to control the world.

 

[ArnautDaniel]

Islam will never stop trying to control the world.

Yeah, don't they know that Europeans and Americans took control fair and square already?

 

[Carey]

Americans dont forcibly make people convert to their relgion.

Islam does . The quaran commands it.Surah 8 verse 39 I believe

 

[ArnautDaniel]

Americans dont forcibly make people convert to their relgion.

Islam does . The quaran commands it.Surah 8 verse 39 I believe

People were forcibly converted in European colonies. Also some history of Native Americans in the US would point towards forcible conversion.

The point being I think most of the world would differ with the notion that European Christians never forcibly converted people.

America since 1945 largely hasn't.

But the issue to the Muslim world is more about independence from Western powers than about spreading Islam. As in all wars you have to say things which motivate people even if that isn't the core aim.

 

[Carey]

Christianity did not prevoke war
Catholisism provoked war the crusades were not Christian they were
Catholic.

And your right the Protestant founded Country Of the USA never has forced religion their religion is peaceful but will protect themselves. Other wise their woulod be no USA their would be a history of a nation of Martyrs that used to be the USA

 

[ArnautDaniel]

Christianity did not prevoke war
Catholisism provoked war the crusades were not Christian they were
Catholic.

And your right the Protestant founded Country Of the USA never has forced religion their religion is peaceful but will protect themselves. Other wise their woulod be no USA their would be a history of a nation of Martyrs that used to be the USA

Christians used to honor martyrs and were eager to become martyrs.

So much has changed.

 

[Carey]

Changed?

 

[maire]

I'm a little confused with Islam and whatever else is over there. there is millions of us that don't believe that infidels need to die, but that they do.
If there is that many of us why can't they see that they are kind of missing something and they just maybe wrong

 

[chocolatecheesecake]

hahahaha now rather then be willing to die for our faith, we are willing to kill for things we never deserved in the first place?! thats messed i say,

but interesting thing, while christians may not so much as 'force' people to convert (mind you true muslims dont either) many do say that to be christian you need to be this that alittle of this oh and some more of that. We promote Jesus along with white culture. which is out right lie. Jesus not a white middle class republican! He is the King of creation, saviour and Holy.

Also wars are started eveyday by christians, we cause division, we comdemn we fight when we should not. well thats my view anyway.

and marie on the same point you made, maybe we are just wrong and we are just blind to the fact? It comes down to how you look at it.

ps. Christianity is not america, it runs so much deeper, its is cross cultural, Jesus is not only found in the US or in white society, i am tired of people believing that America is a christian nation, its not, I do not of a single christian notion, i know of christians within every nation. but yeah. oh well i shall stop write..... now lalalala