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That’s debatable and immaterial. Paul tells us what matters is not circumcision, but keeping God’s commandments. 1 Cor 7:19It predates them.
This is the law, I don’t recommend removing God, the author of His law and renaming it into mans choice on what they feel like keeping. God is the author of His law, written by His own finger, which is how sin is defined. 1 John 3:4 Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7, and breaking one commandment is like breaking them all. James 2:10-12 quoting directly from the Ten. Exodus 20, Exodus 34:28 now written in the heart Hebrews 8:10. So when you make statements that all the law ended, but then quote laws from the Ten Commandments that they should be kept, you seem to be contradicting yourself or implying God is not in charge of His law, that man is and contradicts the Authority of our Creator and Savior.Please stop with this.
Everyone knows this a strawman argument. You have to know that no one here is advocating a position that requires them to commit to the notion that it is ok to murder, take the Lord's name in vain, etc.
Please stop misrepresenting others.
Now... Do you wish to answer the question posed here?
Not an argument. A question. Since circumcision is the primary commandment, the premier commandment of covenant creating the identity of the Jewish people, the initiation, why would the early church exempt gentiles Christian from it while holding them to subsequent Jewish commandments?That’s debatable and immaterial. Paul tells us what matters is not circumcision, but keeping God’s commandments. 1 Cor 7:19
Your argument appears to be with Paul.
Again, circumcision is not in the Ten Commandments, so not a primary law, which Paul confirms. The Ten Commandments came in a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28 so its not multiple choice and when Paul says what matters is keeping the commandments of God, it most certainly means the commandments written by the finger of God and how all man will be judged. James 2:10-12.Not an argument. A question. Since circumcision is the primary commandment, the premier commandment of covenant creating the identity of the Jewish people, the initiation, why would the early church exempt gentiles Christian from it while holding them to subsequent Jewish commandments?
I don't think Paul in 1 Corinthians was speaking of all commandments since we have already seen his views on the law, especially for gentiles. Is Paul talking about all commandments? If not, just the ten? In your view?
I find it strange that you seem to think "Commandments" are only 10.Again, circumcision is not in the Ten Commandments, so not a primary law, which Paul confirms. The Ten Commandments came in a unit of Ten Exodus 34:28 so its not multiple choice and when Paul says what matters is keeping the commandments of God, it most certainly means the commandments written by the finger of God and how all man will be judged. James 2:10-12.
I find it very strange people think God’s commandments are anything but the commandments God wrote with His own finger, spoke with His own voice, the only commandments kept in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple where He dwells and is revealed in heaven. Revelation 11:19.
Scripture tells us the fruit of a saved person:
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
It doesn’t sound like God’s law ended. We are free to take that risk, but to me God’s law is perfect Psalms 19:7, just like our Creator. We should always keep God’s law out of love and when you love God, obedience to Him is natural.
Looks like we will have to agree to disagree. God bless.
Please quote me saying the commandments are only Ten, but they certainly include the Ten.I find it strange that you seem to think "Commandments" are only 10.
Different New Testament writers might use the "law of Moses" differently, though I agree that they probably all include the ten commandments.I am quite sure the 10 Commandments are part of the Law of Moses.
Again, Paul never mentions any "categories" within the Law.
This is the point I'm trying to make:Who said anything about not following Jesus. To be honest, I’m not sure the point you are trying to make other than seemingly trying to discredit the Ten Commandments. Understanding scripture is easier when you believe in absolutes. The Ten Commandments is an absolute, the only law God wrote with His own finger and spoke with His own voice. The only law placed in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple where He dwells and is also revealed in heaven. Revelation 11:19, now written in the heart and mind. Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33 While I know this doesn’t seem significant to some, it does to me, because this is God’s will for us that He personally wrote. This is an absolute. Not nine commandments, not eight, but Ten Exodus 34:28. So I take a different approach to scripture and when there is an absolute I don’t try to endlessly find ways to discredit that, by a one-off in scripture taken out of context. All scripture has to reconcile, there are no contradictions, just misunderstandings. If one does not understand the significance of God’s law, I think understanding scripture will be difficult because it is a theme that runs throughout the entire bible. At any rate, you will probably disagree with this post and thats okay. God bless and take care.
Is that a Yes? You believe thatBy the time the temple was destroyed, even the Jews could see they could not keep the Law of Moses completely.
So by then, the only gospel available for them was the gospel preached by Paul. If you don't want to believe in that and joined the Body of Christ, they will remained as unbelievers.
True that circumcision is seen as the initiation commandment.Not an argument. A question. Since circumcision is the primary commandment, the premier commandment of covenant creating the identity of the Jewish people, the initiation, why would the early church exempt gentiles Christian from it while holding them to subsequent Jewish commandments?
I don't think Paul in 1 Corinthians was speaking of all commandments since we have already seen his views on the law, especially for gentiles. Is Paul talking about all commandments? If not, just the ten? In your view?
I thought you had said that there were other commandments than just the 10, commandments that didn't end at the cross. Yes? No?I find it very strange people think God’s commandments are anything but the commandments God wrote with His own finger, spoke with His own voice, the only commandments kept in the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple where He dwells and is revealed in heaven. Revelation 11:19.
Please quote me saying the commandments are only Ten, but they certainly include the Ten.
You are saying it is something in addition to, so I think it is inaccurate to say "anything but".I find it very strange people think God’s commandments are anything but the commandments God wrote with His own finger...
Just so I’m following you, because you do not obey this command Jesus made to the leper, is why you don’t need to obey the Ten Commandments. Please clarify. ThanksThis is the point I'm trying to make:
Jesus told the ex-leper to take the offering that Moses commanded.
I don't do that, so I'm not following Jesus' instruction in that case.
If you don't do it, you aren't following Jesus' instruction in that case.
Not really friend, perhaps you can read it again. Anything but means all commandments but from the Ten which seems to be the consensus from those who do not want to obey God’s law , including the Ten means the Ten are included, but are others.You are saying it is something in addition to, so I think it is inaccurate to say "anything but".
Of course, but God only kept the Ten Commandments inside the ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy where He dwells and is revealed in Heaven. Revelation 11:19 Only the Ten were written by the finger of God, not by man. I pray that one day you and others can see the significance of this.I thought you had said that there were other commandments than just the 10, commandments that didn't end at the cross. Yes? No?
Which laws Paul is talking about as commandments that matter is the big question. To me the answer is obvious, he says that when you love your neighbor as yourself you fulfill the entire law.
No, I'm not saying that.Just so I’m following you, because you do not obey this command Jesus made to the leper, is why you don’t need to obey the Ten Commandments. Please clarify. Thanks
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that today, we do not follow all of the instructions that Jesus gave to people before the cross.
If you "find it very strange people think God’s commandments are anything but the commandments God wrote with His own finger...", that would imply that you do not think that.Not really friend, perhaps you can read it again. Anything but means all commandments but from the Ten which seems to be the consensus from those who do not want to obey God’s law , including the Ten means the Ten are included, but are others.
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