Did animals live longer than now before the flood?

[juvenissun]

Then how did the serpent get in? Sneak in maybe, when God wasn't paying attention?

Not all serpents. Just that particular one which can talk and is intelligent and evil.
I think this situation is acceptable.

Theologically, this event took place by the design of God.

 

[jayem]

Not all serpents. Just that particular one which can talk and is intelligent and evil.
I think this situation is acceptable.

Theologically, this event took place by the design of God.

Not to get off-topic, but...

Are you saying it was God's design that Adam and Eve would disobey?

I'd love to hear an explanation, but it needs to be in a different forum.

 

[Strathos]

Not to get off-topic, but...

Are you saying it was God's design that Adam and Eve would disobey?

I'd love to hear an explanation, but it needs to be in a different forum.

It's an allegorical story to explain human sinfulness. The serpent most likely represents Satan.

 

[juvenissun]

Not to get off-topic, but...

Are you saying it was God's design that Adam and Eve would disobey?

I'd love to hear an explanation, but it needs to be in a different forum.

Yes, that is my understanding.

Just one minor correction on what you said:

you: ... Adam and Eve would disobey
me: ... Adam and Eve could disobey

 

[DogmaHunter]

Sure you do every time you proclaim or praise the falsehood that mindless nature evolved God's superior intelligence in prehistoric people

Acknowledging the evidence of reality, is not the same as "praising".

Your cannot repeat this magic, nor can you tell us the process by which it happens. Neither can you explain WHY prehistoric people showed the traits of any other animal UNTIL the Ark arrived 11k years ago.

Indeed, I can not explain your fantasies.
I can only point them out.

Human superior intelligence can NOT be shown in ANY other animal because intelligence does NOT evolve.

That's also demonstrably false.
Your superiority complex is showing.

Humans are intelligent, yes.
Cheetah's are fast.

There are other less fast creature that are still quite fast.
Just like there are other less intelligent creatures that are still quite intelligent.
As in: planning, reasoning and tool building.

But whatever.

We inherited it from Adam who was made with the ability to know both good and evil, like God. Genesis 3:22

And who was brought here on some space ship or whatever.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Not all serpents. Just that particular one which can talk and is intelligent and evil.
I think this situation is acceptable.

Theologically, this event took place by the design of God.

Yeah.... another one of his brilliant ideas.
Create some paradise garden with 2 blank slate souls that must obbey and then also allow the very embodiment of evil in there, free to manipulate the blank slates. What could go wrong, ey?

 

[juvenissun]

Yeah.... another one of his brilliant ideas.
Create some paradise garden with 2 blank slate souls that must obbey and then also allow the very embodiment of evil in there, free to manipulate the blank slates. What could go wrong, ey?

Yes, it went wrong.
The thing you do not understand is: all these are only done for the ultimate benefit of human. Adam is made very well, but Adam is not made perfect.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Yes, it went wrong.
The thing you do not understand is: all these are only done for the ultimate benefit of human. Adam is made very well, but Adam is not made perfect.

Yes yes.

He loves us so. That's why he makes us suffer in the most gruesome ways and sends vague messages that cost the lives of millions in religious wars. But don't worry, he has a "plan".

I'm sorry, I'm venting.

In any case, call me when you have more then just a story (that doesn't even make any sense in itself).

 

[Aman777]

Acknowledging the evidence of reality, is not the same as "praising".

You have again failed to show us the process by which mindless nature and powerless evolution placed God's intelligence level into Apes.

Indeed, I can not explain your fantasies.
I can only point them out.

The fantasy is your's UNLESS you can tell us WHY prehistoric people remained exactly the same as they have been for Millions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived 11,000 years ago. History proves the false ToE to be unsupportable.

That's also demonstrably false.
Your superiority complex is showing.

Of course I am. I'm a Human being destined to rule when Jesus returns. ONLY Trump and evolutionists preach that Humans are animals. It's their way of de-humanizing people in order to treat them like animals. All despots do the same.

And who was brought here on some space ship or whatever.

LOL. The image on my posts was designed by an Atheist. His name is Niccto and your criticism is of a fellow atheist and not my view. Since Adam's firmament was under water Gen 1:6-7 the image is totally false but allows people to understand the desperate nature of evolutionists who are prohibited from true understanding.

 

[Aman777]

He loves us so. That's why he makes us suffer in the most gruesome ways and sends vague messages that cost the lives of millions in religious wars. But don't worry, he has a "plan".

God didn't sin, man did. It's man that's sick and God is still working to make His creation perfect. It will only take 6 Days so quit whining since we brought our suffering upon ourselves. Reminds me of Adam who blamed his wife for his disobedience. Be a man and take the responsibility yourself.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You have again failed to show us the process by which mindless nature and powerless evolution placed God's intelligence level into Apes.

You have again failed to ask a question without loading it up with religious beliefs and science misrepresentations.

The fantasy is your's UNLESS you can tell us WHY prehistoric people remained exactly the same as they have been for Millions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived 11,000 years ago. History proves the false ToE to be unsupportable.

No ark arrived here, ever.
Nore did species "remain the same" for millions of years before 11k years ago.

Of course I am. I'm a Human being destined to rule when Jesus returns. ONLY Trump and evolutionists preach that Humans are animals. It's their way of de-humanizing people in order to treat them like animals. All despots do the same.

Ow dear.

LOL. The image on my posts was designed by an Atheist. His name is Niccto and your criticism is of a fellow atheist and not my view. Since Adam's firmament was under water Gen 1:6-7 the image is totally false but allows people to understand the desperate nature of evolutionists who are prohibited from true understanding.

I'm not refering to any images. I'm refering to your wacky beliefs about space adam and eve and an ark that comes from some other planet or whatever.

 

[DogmaHunter]

God didn't sin, man did.

I disagree.
I think that, in this story, that god is guilty by association. The whole Eden story, what with the serpent and the "forbidden tree", with 2 blank slate souls that don't know right from wrong, reads like a giant trap. It's a rigged setup.

It's man that's sick

Yep. Like the Hitch said: "Created sick and commanded to be well".

and God is still working to make His creation perfect.

An all powerfull, omnibenevolent, perfect and all-intelligent being could make it perfect on the first try and would require starting over multiple times after a massive genocide.

The whole book reads like a giant collection of failures on his part.

It will only take 6 Days so quit whining since we brought our suffering upon ourselves. Reminds me of Adam who blamed his wife for his disobedience. Be a man and take the responsibility yourself.

I have no responsability to take in context of your fantasies.

 

[Aman777]

I disagree.
I think that, in this story, that god is guilty by association. The whole Eden story, what with the serpent and the "forbidden tree", with 2 blank slate souls that don't know right from wrong, reads like a giant trap. It's a rigged setup.

It was necessary in order to have a perfect result at the end of the 6 Days. Only God is good Luk 18:19 and anything apart from Him is subject to death. When God brought physical matter into the creation, it was apart from God. Anything made from this air, dust and water would be subject to death so could NOT be immortal.

Adam proved this and died physically and so does all of mankind until the last days when Jesus returns and destroys death. 1Co 15:26

Yep. Like the Hitch said: "Created sick and commanded to be well".

Amen, and the whole of creation has suffered until Jesus returns and heals us. Rom 8:22

An all powerfull, omnibenevolent, perfect and all-intelligent being could make it perfect on the first try and would require starting over multiple times after a massive genocide.

That would NOT be Just since it would require forcing atheists, agnostics and phonies into immortality with a bunch of Jesus freaks. A perfect Heaven is possible only if the inhabitants freely choose to be there.

The whole book reads like a giant collection of failures on his part.

That's because you came into the movie late on the 6th Day. In the end, you will see that God's perfect Heaven, filled with perfect people, immortal people, will be forever since there will be no more death. Amen?

 

[JackRT]

It's an allegorical story to explain human sinfulness. The serpent most likely represents Satan.

God didn't create Satan, man did. Satan (ha'shaitan) first
occurs by name in the Old Testament in the Book of Job, and here it's clear that the angel Satan is not the Devil! The Devil is supposedly banished from the presence of God, yet in Job, Satan is allowed to talk with and to come and go from God's presence and on a mission for God yet! What's going on? Satan here is not "the Devil" but sort of God's prosecuting attorney. There is a very common perception that the 'Lucifer' in Isaiah 14:12ff refers to Satan, the supernatural personification of evil. This misconception comes from two sources. The first is wishful thinking in the sense that it is nice to think that 'the Enemy' will get his come-uppance eventually. The second has to do with the old caution that scripture is to be read only 'in context'. This requires going back and reading all of Isaiah 13 and the earlier verses in Isaiah 14. When this is done we suddenly realize that scripture is not speaking of a supernatural Satan at all but of a Babylonian king with an immense ego. Read Isaiah 14: " 4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:" What follows is a long rant against this oppressive king filled with numerous reference to his human nature like Isaiah 14: "16 Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, 17 the man who made the world a desert, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?" This passage is in no way a reference to Satan or the devil. The Jews did not originally believe in devils but they picked up this concept during the Babylonian Exile from the Persians who followed Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrians believed in both a god of good (Ahura-Mazda) and a god of evil (Ahrulman) engaged in a cosmic struggle. The Jews picked up and ran with this idea. It was easy to cast YHWH in the role of the God of good. They took also the angel ha'shaitan (Satan) in the book of Job and recast that character as Satan the near divine force of evil. Up to that time, their concept of God was of a being responsible for everything, both good and evil. Isaiah 45:”7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” is just one quote that demonstrates this. The Jews never connected Satan to the serpent in the Garden of Eden. It was the second-century Christian martyr, Justin of Samaria, who was first to argue that Satan appeared as a serpent to tempt Adam and Eve to disobey God.

 

[ewq1938]

Yeah.... another one of his brilliant ideas.
Create some paradise garden with 2 blank slate souls that must obbey and then also allow the very embodiment of evil in there, free to manipulate the blank slates. What could go wrong, ey?

The text does not describe them as "blank slate souls". What happened is they choose their desire over the one rule they had...perhaps we can be more gentle with Eve since she was deceived but Adam wasn't. He should have stopped Eve and refused it himself and the book of Genesis might had started much differently but it's old history now. We have the same temptations, more complex but most of us aren't "blank slate souls" and guess what many choose? Same bad choices these two made.