razeontherock
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Quoted for emphasis. SO many people, Christians included, need to understand this!!
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\ an understanding of the Hebrew culture. Christ was the "teacher" and the teacher's authority was in the spoken word and not the text.
Nonsense. The lesions detectable by an MRI are still there in remission; they don't vanish w/o a trace.
Sorry, I meant to add that yes, I believe there are things about reality we don't currently know. Can I say we will never know them? No, I cannot. There seems to me no limit to understanding founded on logic and reason.
" but when it comes to reality beyond the natural world it is utterly useless."
You said this in the above statement. I'm curious as to how you know that a "reality beyond the natural world" exists?
http://www.medhelp.org/tags/health_...appear-A-Hypothetical-Case-Overview?hp_id=566
Wrong again Raze...do you actually look stuff up before you post? I found this on my first search.
At the time these results were found with my Dad, we all had the latest info available - from a Dr no less. This is an interesting development that everyone in my family needs to understand. I just forwarded it to them - thank you.
Illogical statement. It is always good to have corroboration in historical accounts from separate sources, but just because one stands alone does not define its contents as unreliable. To deny Tacitus credibility as a historian because he believes in something we now can call error, because of other evidences, is unnecessary. The Bible is the only book whose original autographs are error free. The writings of Tacitus are not so guaranteed. The standards of the Bible are guaranteed by God's inspiration
The reason why Jesus never wrote His own accounts is based in an understanding of the Hebrew culture. Christ was the "teacher" and the teacher's authority was in the spoken word and not the text. Christ had the Gospel writers as His historians.
The Bible is the verbal, plenary, infallible, inerrant word of God inspired by God, free from error in its original autographs. A better study of historiography in the Ancient Near East would reveal to you that in all the Near East, to force the same standards of recording history on that culture as we do on our own is wrong. The Ancient Near East did not record events as reporters and modern historians do today.
The Bible is even more unique in that its historical purpose was focused not on events of historicity but rather on the historical recordings of God's covenantal relationship with His people. History in the Bible was focused on God's revelation and covenant.
" The Ancient Near East did not record events as reporters and modern historians do today."
THis much is true. THere were no concerned scholars searching for facts, checking sources, or establishing any sort of attempt to critically examine evidence or witnesses.
As my other post indicates, I would disagree. Our capacity for understanding is indeed limited.
If you want I will share some of my experiences that have confirmed my faith in God, and thus the supernatural. Also, there is the Bible. Other than those, it is more intuition... every time science seems to have gotten a good grip on reality, we discover a deeper layer... just how far down the rabbit hole does it go? How can such a spectacularly intricate and complex reality just BE? I consider an expanding space-time universe, and cannot help but wonder what it is expanding into... is that also a part of the natural world? What of my soul? How exactly do I quantify that part of me that the Bible calls "spirit", which came alive when I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior? Can we know the supernatural empirically... I'm not sure. Miracles have the darndest habit of not being repeatable, making confirmation by expiriment impossible. Anything that is empirically observed and repeats consistently can be written off as natural; and anything empirically observed and not repeated can be written off as human error or a statistical anomaly. Human experience can be explained away as subjective or even delusional. The Bible can be misunderstood.
Heb 11:6 NKJV But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
False. That's exactly what Luke was.
Good to see you readily admit you can't grasp what's being said. Have you ever considered that might be why you never got anywhere with the Bible?
As my other post indicates, I would disagree. Our capacity for understanding is indeed limited.
If you want I will share some of my experiences that have confirmed my faith in God, and thus the supernatural. Also, there is the Bible. Other than those, it is more intuition... every time science seems to have gotten a good grip on reality, we discover a deeper layer... just how far down the rabbit hole does it go? How can such a spectacularly intricate and complex reality just BE? I consider an expanding space-time universe, and cannot help but wonder what it is expanding into... is that also a part of the natural world? What of my soul? How exactly do I quantify that part of me that the Bible calls "spirit", which came alive when I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior? Can we know the supernatural empirically... I'm not sure. Miracles have the darndest habit of not being repeatable, making confirmation by expiriment impossible. Anything that is empirically observed and repeats consistently can be written off as natural; and anything empirically observed and not repeated can be written off as human error or a statistical anomaly. Human experience can be explained away as subjective or even delusional. The Bible can be misunderstood.
Heb 11:6 NKJV But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
LOL and who exactly do you think Luke was interviewing and what did he investigate?
" What of my soul?"
Doesn't exist. No evidence for it.
" How exactly do I quantify that part of me that the Bible calls "spirit", which came alive when I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior?"
ALso, no evidence for that either.
That you have no evidence for this, is proof positive that you never got anywhere with the Bible, or with Christianity. It was never real to you. And everything you have expressed about it, has been false, that you are commended for getting away from." How exactly do I quantify that part of me that the Bible calls "spirit", which came alive when I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior?"
ALso, no evidence for that either.
I just wish this guy would develop an interest in pursuing the truth about faith. Boy he loves to argue.
That's not left up to speculation
And yet far from this being anything medical science can explain, MS is one of those many things that we DON'T have sufficient understanding of.
Only because you re-define it, away from what is meant. If you address what is meant, there is nothing but evidence for it!
That you have no evidence for this, is proof positive that you never got anywhere with the Bible, or with Christianity. It was never real to you. And everything you have expressed about it, has been false, that you are commended for getting away from.
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