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Design on animals?

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Even in that little bacteria we have the design I am talking about. While it seems like a smiley face sometimes to us, they don't have always the "mouth", as I see in the picture, but the symmetry their "eyes" have is quite appreciable, something so little but yet such well designed.

What makes it designed?
 
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I understand, so our churches share their view on this subject. It was just a surprise to me that we don't support creationism being the oldest Churches but the neoprotestant and protestant one does, I thought the roles would be reversed. So we are theist evolutionists?

Yes, pretty much theistic evolutionist.

The RCC seems to me to be stronger in it's support of theistic evolution, and is usually described that way (such as here: Catholic Church and evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

The EOC doesn't seem to be so heavily supporting evolution, leaving it allowed but not as strongly preferred as it is in the RCC.

Of course, there are plenty of both in both churches.

The roles aren't a surprise to me here in the US, where most of the Evolution support is from Catholics, and creationism is a fundamentalist protestant thing. I guess growing up with that always being the case makes it seem expected.

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Rasputin in a kitten's ear. Designed or random process?

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The face on Mars. Designed or random process?

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No methodologies. It is just design and symmetry to our eyes, our eyes can appreciate design and symmetry, and I am asking how can this symmetry and design appear as taught by the evolutionary theory, because what follows a pattern or a design is because something did it that way or it was guided to grow that way, but simple atoms, cells and molecules by themselves couldn't have make it alone because they didn't know how to.
It may be easier to sort out what you said there if we were to work the other way.

Provide an an example of something that does not meet your criteria for being designed.
 
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My critteria for design is everything that has a drawing on them that is symmetric or follows a pattern and that could not have originated by an evolutionary blind process.

This is Symmetric
Wasn't originated by evolution
Was it design, according to your definition it is.
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