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Design implies that the optimum, can be achieved, no matter what state the species is in

If it was a choice between originality and contingency...

  • ...I would choose design, for originality

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  • ...I would choose evolution, for contingency

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  • ...I would be happy to subsist, for familiarity

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  • ..it would be hard to maintain an ordinance, for developmentality

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Warden_of_the_Storm

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If you had given me the means to avoid foolishness from an Evolutionary perspective - we would not be having this conversation?

I am one of the people who does try to give you the means to avoid foolishness - by actually trying to teach you about what evolution and the theory of evolution actually says.
But you choose to remain foolish by ignoring what I and others say.

Evolution is not a mandate for anything.
Evolution is not a moral code.
Evolution is not a religion.
Evolution is a not a set of rules that a person is told to live their lives by.

Evolution is simply, and always will be simply, the explanation of how life changes to suit an ever changing environment.
 
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And when the change stops, you have nothing?
 
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A dead body is a dead body.
Dead is dead. It's life is done, it is finished, it is no more, it is deceased. Never to come to back to life.

You are a fool.

Yes - dead - but you are saying that that means it won't be attempted again - a lie.

I'm not saying the lie is wrong, but you have to stop insisting you know the truth?
 
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The fact that you think that a single person's adaptation can be shared willingly in evolution shows that you are a fool and do not understand evolution.

I would rather be a fool, if you can't explain the connection to Jesus?
 
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The fact that you think that a single person's adaptation can be shared willingly in evolution shows that you are a fool and do not understand evolution.

It can't happen without someone surrendering to the revisitation of a past evolution.

But you are saying "it's not possible, because I don't want anything to come back"?

You don't see that as conceited? You have evidence: in Jesus?

Was Jesus more evolved, before or after He came back?
 
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A dead body is a dead body.
Dead is dead. It's life is done, it is finished, it is no more, it is deceased. Never to come to back to life.

You are a fool.

I haven't called you a fool, so I will thank you not to call me one (yet).

The point you seem to be making is that any given species, won't want a creature to come back from the dead - but you make no accusations to establish the case (I mean you literally want a perfect creature to go without a second chance?)?

Any more conceited than that and I don't doubt God will give you more than you are ready for?
 
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I know, I know: you think you have cornered 'Evolution', so when someone questions it, you feel like they are 'cornering you'.

No, not cornering me. Bearing false witness about me.

I don't care if you don't believe in evolution, I care because your statements about what it is are false. You have been told this before.

I myself, would leave this uncorrected: but Jesus behooves me, to point out, that Jesus is the only way to sustain anything in life - not only 'Evolution'.

That is your belief, but it has nothing to do with the details of the theory pf evolution.

It works from different principles and different processes.

Scientific theories, have implications - amputating study from reason, would be like taking a mad man's lobotomy.

Yes, there are implications... but that doesn't mean the implications are appropriate mechanism for describing the details of evolution.


I agree. But the first step is to attempt to actually learn what the scientific study is.

You do not appear to be attempting to do so. Frankly, you willfully ignoring people trying to explain something you are ignorant of is very rude.

Here, you are partially right, change over multiple generations does happen, the problem is it does not happen between typologically different generations. That's it. That's my one correction.

This doesn't make any sense to me, can you explain what a "typologically different generation" is and how it is different to a generation.


That's a religious belief that is completely irrelevant to the practical study of biology and geology.


I could tell you, I have found "an evolution" that will surpass all the others, but if I told you you had to develop that first, before anything else could happen: I would be a liar.

Now you are stating nonsense about evolution again. It's false and you should stop.

The statement "an evolution" is nonsensical because evolution is not an element an individual possesses and it is not a choice.



Lies are irrelevant to evolution because evolution isn't a statement, it isn't a belief and it isn't a choice.

Also a "stronger evolution" does not make sense because it isn't a personal attribute... it's a description of the process.

And now that I have told you, that there is more to the story, you are duty bound, to warn others of ignoring it, at the very least!

No, because your statements are demonstrably false and bearing false witness against evolutionists.


Evolution is a scientific theory that is supported by evidence from multiple fields of study.
Evolution is a central binding concept that explains the patterns and mysteries of biology.
Evolution is a practical discipline that has expanded study in medicine, computer science and engineering.

It is demonstrable and useful so it is wise to accept it.
 
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And when the change stops, you have nothing?
You have whatever you had before. Evolution makes no changes in the life of an individual, so you might not even notice that it had ceased.
 
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I haven't called you a fool, so I will thank you not to call me one (yet).
You would stand more chance of having this request honoured if you were to refrain from posting so many foolish statements.
More pointedly, foolish behaviour can be tolerated, even pitied. It is much more difficult to forgive your intransigent rudeness in persistenly ignoring everything of value that numerous members have told you in your threads for many months and years. Whatever your personal demons, that continuing behaviour is a blot on your character. I urge you change.
 
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I'm commenting all of this at once because this is just... so much to say.

And when the change stops, you have nothing?

But the changes never stop. The environment will always change and thus the pressures on animals to evolve will always be there. Some animals have found niches that they fit into near perfectly, like sharks, crocodiles and turtles, but these animals are drastically different to what they were millions of years ago.

Yes - dead - but you are saying that that means it won't be attempted again - a lie.

I'm not saying the lie is wrong, but you have to stop insisting you know the truth?

You're talking nonsense is what you are talking. When an animal is dead, it is dead. Evolution only affects the living organism, not dead ones.

I would rather be a fool, if you can't explain the connection to Jesus?

I have never once tried to make a connection between evolution and Jesus. That has solely been your endeavour. And you've never once attempted to show such a connection exists.


Again, nonsense.


I will call you a fool because you act foolishly, and trust me it's the nicest thing I can say to you.
No, it's not that species don't want a creature to come back from the dead, it's that NOTHING CAN COME BACK FROM THE DEAD.

If you can't understand this simply fact, then I am right in calling you foolish. The only one that I have seen act conceited on these threads of yours is you yourself.
 
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The Giraffe neck example persists...
You've been trying to polish this turd since at least 2016 on at least 1 other forum.
Pretty sad for someone that desperately wants people to think he's some sort of scientific superstar (despite being a creationist).
 
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You've been trying to polish this turd since at least 2016 on at least 1 other forum.
Pretty sad for someone that desperately wants people to think he's some sort of scientific superstar (despite being a creationist).
 
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Further to the OP:

being true to design, confers strength in the interpretation of the species, relative to their grace (selah)

In other words, not only does design strengthen a species, the species' interpretation of itself grows with being true to it.
 
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Except there has never been any demonstration on how to detect design in a species, so it's impossible to be true to it.
 
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Except there has never been any demonstration on how to detect design in a species, so it's impossible to be true to it.

The fact that there is a code at all (DNA), suggests there is something unique to every member of a species that that code strengthens - since it remains deducible and common.

But you want specific codes, for that you will have to wait.

No one who waits is privileged, unless they share what they hope in with optimism (selah)
 
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It doesn't strengthen, it literally defines.

The genetic code is a major part of how you physically grow and develop.

But yet again, that isn't a choice you make to follow your DNA, it's a physical part of your body.
 
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Except that it's pretty hard to show design in natural things.
 
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