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So, if you, in your own ability, keep the commandments then you get God's Love...?This is where God sees value and worth in us (Whereby He loves us):
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." (John 15:10).
While God can certainly love His creation, and even a sinful person (because He sends rain also on the unrighteous), it does not mean it is the same degree of love that He has for those who obey His commands (Whereby His love abides within those who keep His commands). God is love. He is the source of all true love, and He tells us to even love our enemies. For Jesus said to the Father on those who were crucifying to forgive them, for they know not what they do. So yes. The essence and core of God is love, but again, God loves His people to such a degree more where they abide in the depths of His love (whereby He gives them the fruits of the Spirit, like: Love, joy, peace, etc.).
If you are able to keep the commandments (all of them) (perfectly and perpetually), "If", then it is not you who were, was or is, or made you capable or able to do it, but God in you, and it does not make you any more or less loved or any more or less special than anyone else, "If"...So, if you, in your own ability, keep the commandments then you get God's Love...?
And God loves some more or less so than others, based on "their own ability" (and not His that He put in them) to keep the commandments, OK, got it...
God Bless!
Not at all.
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. - Romans 5:8
So, are you deserving of this love?
So, if you, in your own ability, keep the commandments then you get God's Love...?
You promote this idea that God loves those who obey Him. And for that reason. So those who obey are deserving of His love.This is where God sees value and worth in us (Whereby He loves us):
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." (John 15:10).
While God can certainly love His creation, and even a sinful person (because He sends rain also on the unrighteous), it does not mean it is the same degree of love that He has for those who obey His commands (Whereby His love abides within those who keep His commands). God is love. He is the source of all true love, and He tells us to even love our enemies. For Jesus said to the Father on those who were crucifying to forgive them, for they know not what they do. So yes. The essence and core of God is love, but again, God loves His people to such a degree more where they abide in the depths of His love (whereby He gives them the fruits of the Spirit, like: Love, joy, peace, etc.).
It’s talking about Christ being sent by the Father to die for His enemies (those who are undeserving).Right, this is very true. This is talking about God's love for us involving His plan of redemption for all of mankind so as to offer man the free gift of salvation (if they so choose to accept it or not). Christ died for us while we were sinners (as a part of His plan of redeeming man). In this sense, He loved sinners so as to save them. God loves and cares for us in the sense that He did not want to see us perish, but after we come to the Lord, by receiving His gift of salvation (Which is Himself), we seek forgiveness of our sins, and we forsake them. This is also a part of God's plan in redeeming us. For the reason Christ died for us was to sanctify us by the washing of the water of the Word so as to make us holy and without blemish (Again, see: Ephesians 5:25-27). Justification is tied to Sanctification. If Sanctification does not happen, then it defeats the purpose of why Christ died for us. For the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).
Wordkeeper said:He values the potential. It makes us deserving.
Mkay.
He was speaking to His Jewish audience and part of His mission was to show them the impossibility of keeping the commandments perpetually and perfectly in this life, is why He said some of the things He said...Your problem is not with me, but it is with the very words of Jesus. What part of John 15:10 do you not understand?
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." (John 15:10).
Do you not believe Jesus when He says if you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love? Do you think Jesus meant something else? If so, where in the text does it state that He really did not mean what He said in John 15:10?
@Jason0047 Exactly you are saying your own obedience, in your own ability, causes you to earn or gain God's Love or approval or affection, salvation, ect...You promote this idea that God loves those who obey Him. And for that reason. So those who obey are deserving of His love.
It’s talking about Christ being sent by the Father to die for His enemies (those who are undeserving).
You promote this idea that God loves those who obey Him. And for that reason. So those who obey are deserving of His love.
@Jason0047 Exactly you are saying your own obedience, in your own ability, causes you to earn or gain God's Love or approval or affection, salvation, ect...
And almost everyone else knows that is just not true... Cause they just "know better", but you do not...
And the impossibility of keeping all the "commandments" perfectly and perpetually, ect, is just a side note...
God Bless!
He was speaking to His Jewish audience and part of His mission was to show them the impossibility of keeping the commandments perpetually and perfectly in this life, is why He said some of the things He said...
And He did say "If", plus you are ignoring everything else He said as well...
You are not considering the whole counsel of God... The big picture, ect...
And it is, as you grow in Love, your will grow in keeping His commandments, or "the commandment" that was from the beginning...
God Bless!
I already did...It has nothing to do with me. It has everything to with whether you believe John 15:10 or not. Do you believe the words of Jesus in John 15:10? If so, then explain how you believe that verse in your own words to me.
Yeah. But we aren’t elders of Israel."For I know the plans I have for you,” says the LORD. “They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope." (Jeremiah 29:11).
He did not say it outright, you have to look with better eyes than you are currently looking with, and dig for it, cause it was a trap to catch men, mainly Jewish Believers versed in the Law specifically, anyway, to catch them alive and turn them toward true belief or real Christianity... Or to having a true real faith belief in Him...This is completely fabricated. Please show me where Jesus later explains the futility of obeying His commands later on in the gospel of John.
It wasn't His commands or commandments either, but it was the OT Law covenant commandments... His commands or "commandment" is the one(s) that is/are from the beginning, that preceeds it...This is completely fabricated. Please show me where Jesus later explains the futility of obeying His commands later on in the gospel of John. How is that make any sense in light of John 15:10? Does Jesus later say to us that it is impossible to abide in His love by obeying His commands? If so, what verse or passage says this?
He did not say it outright, you have to look with better eyes than you are currently looking with, and dig for it, cause it was a trap to catch men, mainly Jewish Believers versed in the Law specifically, anyway, to catch them alive and turn them toward true belief or real Christianity... Or to having a true real faith belief in Him...
God Bless!
He did not say it outright, you have to look with better eyes than you are currently looking with, and dig for it, cause it was a trap to catch men, mainly Jewish Believers versed in the Law specifically, anyway, to catch them alive and turn them toward true belief or real Christianity... Or to having a true real faith belief in Him...
God Bless!
You just keep striving then, and just see what it will get you, K...?If Jesus did not say what He meant outright, then it doesn't exist, and you are believing in something that is not explicitly stated in the Bible. I strive to believe only what the Bible says and not to go beyond what is written.
Do you just insert your own thinking into the Bible?
Or were there certain clues by Jesus that led you to this belief?
If so, what specific words?
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