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What do you think it is? How can one best deal with it?

It's come to a point in my personal life where I am doubting even the use of the term "use". Everything seems to be changing and a paradigm I thought I understood seems to have reversed itself, so I was wondering what other people thought about this condition. Or, possibly, these types of conditions.
 

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Clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. It is treatable with medications.


Is it wrong for a Christian to treat depression with medications? Absolutly not, unless you believe that it's wrong for a Christian to treat epilepsy, asthma, etc. with medications.
 
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Besides finding misdiagnosis I also know that therapy can offer additional coping skills, a neutral person to talk to, identify problems with meds that others meds may not have and just give a person and family a base to work from. Most couselors also have access to agencies that provide help and care to individuals with those problems and their families that doctors passing out meds don't know about.
 
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Depression runs in my family, so I know quite a bit about, not that I ever battle it, I just know about it. My aunt takes medication for depression, and let me tell you, it doesn't work. How do I know? Because...she's never truly happy. I honestly don't care to be around my aunt because she's such a drag. She acts likes she really needs this medication...yet it doesn't do anything for her. I think her drinking makes her more happy than her medication. *shakes head*

Depression is nothing physical. It's all mental. And it can be overcome. Believe it or not, it truly can. I know it can, because I watch my sister every single day gradually overcome it more and more. And I cannot begin to tell you how far stuck she was in it. She finally got the point where she just wasn't eating at all, and my sister does not need to lose any weight. She's already too skinny.
Anyway, she's been battling this for almost year now, and winning, without medication. But with the help of God and her family.

I don't battle depression, but I did once. In November of last year. I, too, almost got
to the point where I couldn't eat. It was seriously the most horrible experience I've ever had. More terrible than witnessing my grandfather unexpectedly have a fatal heartattack, and seeing my Dad and cousins desperately trying to revive him with CPR. Really, the only reason my experience with depression was worse was because I knew my grandfather, immediately after he died, woke up in glory.
Anyway, like I said, it was the worst experience I've ever had. I'll never forget the worst day of it too. Practically the whole day I was home all by myself. That night we were going to one of my sisters' house for a Christmas party. When I tell you I paced the entire house, wringing my hands and crying off and on the whole time, that's literally what I did. And what made it worse was the fact that I was alone all day. It was a nightmare. But you know what? My Mom eventually came home, and you know what she said to me after she noticed my behavior? She told me to snap out of it. You might think that a little harsh...but it really wasn't. I had already told her about how I was feeling the night before, and she prayed with me about it. Then she told me I had to work at making myself happy and all that. I had forgotten that by the next day lol, so that's why she told me to knock it off. I myself even, at first, thought she was being a little harsh when told me to snap out of it, but I soon came to senses. You know why? Because she explained to me what exactly depression was. All depression is, is being utterly self-centered. You come to point in your life and experience something that makes very unhappy, and then it gets you down until you're 'depressed.' And all that does, is make you think of only yourself, only about how you feel. You constantly dwell on how down and unhappy you are, instead of looking around and thinking of others...others who may be going through a very hard time, others who may be unhappy, others who may be frightened, ect. 'It's all about us' when we let ourselves slip into depression. And it's wrong. I understand that we don't honestly choose to become depressed and think only of ourselves. I know that. But we can fight it, and make an effort at making ourselves be happy. It's very hard, but it can be done. I had to make myself be happy the night of my sister's Christmas party. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done. But, like I said, it can be done. It took a while...but I'm now back to myself again. Because I made myself happy by counting my blessings, by looking around at all the good in my life, by looking at other people's needs and hurts, and most of all, by turning to God.

So instead of letting yourself become defeated and wallow in self-centered 'depression,' why don't you look out the window at the next person to walk by and think to yourself, "I wonder if they could be hurting?" Then look around and remember all the good things that have happened in your life. Again, it's not easy to come out of depression, but it can be done. 'Medication,' believe it or not, is not the answer to everything.



God bless :angel:
 
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I kindly disagree with you Miss Spaulding. Depression is physical. A chemical imbalance in the brain. I think perhaps you are confusing depression with sadness. Two starkly different things. Sadness is something that some folks might be able to snap out of. Depression is another ball of wax all together. Even scans (Ct) show differences between sadness and depression though the emotions seem to be the same, loss of appetite etc.
 
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I personally was depressed to the point I cut my wrists. I came out of that depression only after being saved. I think in some cases people have a mindset or have events that puts them into a depression. The Katrina victims are probobly experiencing depression as well as some stress related illnesses I'm sure. Some people however do have a chemical imbalance that can only be remedied by meds. I also believe physically pain over extended periods can cause depression as well.
 
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I would disagree with you as well, miss spaulding. In fact I would wager that your aunt and sister don't really have clinical depression, or that maybe your aunt is on the wrong medication.

I've seen what the *right* medication does for someone that needs it, firsthand. I've seen them on the wrong medication and on no medication at all.

If you think your god and family is what cured depression, then the patient didnt really suffer from depression.

There is a BIG difference between being depressed and suffering from depression.
 
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Spinrad said:
What do you think it is? How can one best deal with it?

It's come to a point in my personal life where I am doubting even the use of the term "use". Everything seems to be changing and a paradigm I thought I understood seems to have reversed itself, so I was wondering what other people thought about this condition. Or, possibly, these types of conditions.

I know how that feels. These types of conditions.... suck. Unlike most people, I believe there's a spiritual remedy for every sickness and problem. I also have it in my head that if I seek God hard enough, that I'll eventually figure out why I'm so depressed all the time.

What's your paradigm? if you don't mind my asking.
 
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Human beings are designed to spend all of their time with close friends and family, exploring the world, hunting for food and water, fighting for social status and trying to mate with the beautiful. These are the things that give us joy and happiness.

If you spend too much time without the company of friends and family, or doing mindless, non-physical things, you are subject to finding yourself slipping into depression.

To get out of that funk, do the things mentioned in the first paragraph as much as possible. You will find yourself slipping into enjoying life again. Drugs can help a little in the short term. But not much more.
 
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I have been on an antidepressant for 4-1/2 years. It has saved my life! I am now to the point where I'm going to go off it and I won't feel very good for a while, but I have Jesus now and he will help me through it. I also had counselling.

Spinrad, get diagnosed and get an antidepressant. When the black cloud lifts, then you can get counselling to find the exterior reason, if any.

God bless you.
 
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As someone who lives with depression as a medical condition, I can't not respond to this thread, particularly after some of the misconceptions (or misperceptions) I have seen in a couple posts.

I offer my opinion on this because I have lived with depression for nearly 25 years. The first time I was suicidal, I was 9 years old; I was officially diagnosed with clinical depression when I was 19, and have been on and off treatment of various kinds for it ever since. I currently take a low dose of a med which keeps the suicidal edge off. I go to counseling when I need it. Sometimes I have a bad day or week, but for the most part I have a well-balanced, happy life now.

This is what I think depression is: it depends.

I've come to the conclusion that there's depression, and then there's depression. There's depression as a kind of sadness, a mood which arises when something upsetting, sad, traumatic, or whatever happens to you. Like a breakup, or losing your job, or a friend dying, or something like that. Situations of loss often create a depressed mood, and land sakes', what body wouldn't feel depressed after a loss? That's normal.

Then there's depression as an illness or medical condition. Everyone I've known who's had it has had varying reasons why it came up; often it was triggered by something else. A lot of survivors of abuse and trauma deal with clinical depression, sometimes during the abuse, and sometimes later. There may be a genetic component.

The most confusing part about suffering from untreated depression is that you get stuck in a long, endless, gray, emotionally miserable (or emotionless) mood, and there isn't any obvious reason why. Life could be going just fine - no major crisis, no big losses, nothing that would obviously set a person into a sad mood. One of my biggest questions to myself when I was untreated was basically "What the foo is wrong with me??"

The answer for a lot of people is, for whatever reason, you get shorted on serontonin, or epinephrine, or norepinephrine, or a combo platter of the above, all three of which are neurochemicals affecting mood. I have noticed that people tend to forget that the brain is an organ as much as any other organ in the body, primarily because the brain is supposed to be the seat of will and consciousness, and people seem to think that a clinically depressed person should be able to bootstrap themselves out of their mood and into happiness. In truth, it isn't always that simple.

How to handle it really depends - your mileage may vary, based on how depressed you are, how many times you've been before, what kind of treatment you are (or aren't) getting, how the people around you look at you and your illness, and what got you into it in the first place. Counseling can help. So can meds. Both at the same time, or either/or. For some, alternative therapies like herbal remedies work just fine. Others may spend years (like myself) trying different meds at different doses until they get just the right one. Some people just sort of ride out of it after awhile. Consciously willing oneself out of it is not unheard of, but is unusual in cases of severe depression; I've only ever seen people able to do that if it was something milder and more short-term. Religion may help some people, but not others. (It did not help me.)

I have heard my fair share of misconceptions about depression and people with it (myself included). In my opinion, to tell someone to "snap out of it" is inconsiderate at best, and irresponsible at worst. It may be that a person's sadness is transitory, but I feel it worth mentioning that people with clinical depression have a much higher chance of attempting suicide than the average population. If someone confides in you that they are feeling depressed, it is because they trust you enough to imagine that you might understand and help them. To offer empty platitudes such as telling them that "all they need to do" is X, Y, or Z ("snap out of it"/"get saved"/"tell yourself you're happy"/etc.) is woefully inadequate. For someone in the depths of despair, messages like that usually only make a depressed person feel more inadequate and worthless. And believe me, you don't want to be the last person a suicide talked to.

Dealing with depression of any kind is a multi-faceted thing. It depends on who has it, why, and what kind of treatment they'll best respond to. Talking to somebody about it can help a lot. Sometimes more is necessary, sometimes it isn't. It just depends.

Okay, that's my rant. Thanks for reading.
 
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gwenmead said:
As someone who lives with depression as a medical condition, I can't not respond to this thread, particularly after some of the misconceptions (or misperceptions) I have seen in a couple posts.

I offer my opinion on this because I have lived with depression for nearly 25 years. The first time I was suicidal, I was 9 years old; I was officially diagnosed with clinical depression when I was 19, and have been on and off treatment of various kinds for it ever since. I currently take a low dose of a med which keeps the suicidal edge off. I go to counseling when I need it. Sometimes I have a bad day or week, but for the most part I have a well-balanced, happy life now.

This is what I think depression is: it depends.

I've come to the conclusion that there's depression, and then there's depression. There's depression as a kind of sadness, a mood which arises when something upsetting, sad, traumatic, or whatever happens to you. Like a breakup, or losing your job, or a friend dying, or something like that. Situations of loss often create a depressed mood, and land sakes', what body wouldn't feel depressed after a loss? That's normal.

Then there's depression as an illness or medical condition. Everyone I've known who's had it has had varying reasons why it came up; often it was triggered by something else. A lot of survivors of abuse and trauma deal with clinical depression, sometimes during the abuse, and sometimes later. There may be a genetic component.

The most confusing part about suffering from untreated depression is that you get stuck in a long, endless, gray, emotionally miserable (or emotionless) mood, and there isn't any obvious reason why. Life could be going just fine - no major crisis, no big losses, nothing that would obviously set a person into a sad mood. One of my biggest questions to myself when I was untreated was basically "What the foo is wrong with me??"

The answer for a lot of people is, for whatever reason, you get shorted on serontonin, or epinephrine, or norepinephrine, or a combo platter of the above, all three of which are neurochemicals affecting mood. I have noticed that people tend to forget that the brain is an organ as much as any other organ in the body, primarily because the brain is supposed to be the seat of will and consciousness, and people seem to think that a clinically depressed person should be able to bootstrap themselves out of their mood and into happiness. In truth, it isn't always that simple.

How to handle it really depends - your mileage may vary, based on how depressed you are, how many times you've been before, what kind of treatment you are (or aren't) getting, how the people around you look at you and your illness, and what got you into it in the first place. Counseling can help. So can meds. Both at the same time, or either/or. For some, alternative therapies like herbal remedies work just fine. Others may spend years (like myself) trying different meds at different doses until they get just the right one. Some people just sort of ride out of it after awhile. Consciously willing oneself out of it is not unheard of, but is unusual in cases of severe depression; I've only ever seen people able to do that if it was something milder and more short-term. Religion may help some people, but not others. (It did not help me.)

I have heard my fair share of misconceptions about depression and people with it (myself included). In my opinion, to tell someone to "snap out of it" is inconsiderate at best, and irresponsible at worst. It may be that a person's sadness is transitory, but I feel it worth mentioning that people with clinical depression have a much higher chance of attempting suicide than the average population. If someone confides in you that they are feeling depressed, it is because they trust you enough to imagine that you might understand and help them. To offer empty platitudes such as telling them that "all they need to do" is X, Y, or Z ("snap out of it"/"get saved"/"tell yourself you're happy"/etc.) is woefully inadequate. For someone in the depths of despair, messages like that usually only make a depressed person feel more inadequate and worthless. And believe me, you don't want to be the last person a suicide talked to.

Dealing with depression of any kind is a multi-faceted thing. It depends on who has it, why, and what kind of treatment they'll best respond to. Talking to somebody about it can help a lot. Sometimes more is necessary, sometimes it isn't. It just depends.

Okay, that's my rant. Thanks for reading.

From someone who works in the mental health field, I totally agree what she said. Couldn't have said it better myself.


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