Denominations that reject sola fide

[razeontherock]

GrayAngel, you are taking these references out of context and I would like correct that.

righteousness is just listening to what one is told.

No sir. You are referring to Faith coming by hearing. (And hearing) And GA took nothing out of context.

 

[razeontherock]

In the Old Testament, God never once requires any specific belief. He only requires right action. Furthermore, God is never defined. Jews have defined God in many different ways and these different definitions did not cause the kind of conflict that minor differences in doctrine cause in Christianity because Jews understand that belief isn't the core issue. Jesus understood this better than anyone, which is ironic given the religion that he produced.

No irony, because almost all the divisions within Christianity are immaterial. And you're trying to use beliefs as being interchangeable with Faith, and their not synonymous. (If you can grasp either one of these concepts, you're doing WAY better than most atheists here on CF!)

There is no need for circumcision since this isn't part of the covenant made with Moses and the Israelites.

And here I thought you said you were familiar with Judaism?

One cannot equate "following Christ" with "faith in Christ" since they are entirely different things.

You are mistaking beliefs for Faith again. Jesus won't be impressed by someone's supposed faith in Him, if they weren't His follower.

 

[razeontherock]

belief - what you think is true
repentance - what you feel sorry for having done
works - what you do

You're selling repentance WAY short. Do a study on metanoia. (A search here might turn up great stuff; there've been whole threads devoted to it.

 

[GrayAngel]

belief - what you think is true
repentance - what you feel sorry for having done
works - what you do

Biblically, this would be a more accurate definition of repentance:

Turning away from sin. (The word literally meant to "turn away.") It's not just feeling sorry, but moving in the opposite direction of your sin. Turning over a new leaf, so to speak.

Like with faith, repentance is followed by action, but the act itself is not what is important.

As an illustration, imagine there's a man being tried for murder. The defense brings forth a ton of evidence to support the argument that he couldn't have done it. The evidence can lead us toward truth or it could mislead us, depending on whether or not the defendant is actually guilty. The evidence is like our works, but our state of innocence vs guilt is our faith or lack thereof. If God is our perfect judge, then He will rule based on our faith, not by our evidence of faith.

 

[fschmidt]

I believe I have found 2 other Christian groups that reject sola fide: Anabaptists and Mormons. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Walter Kovacs]

I wouldn't really call Mormons a Christian group...

 

[GrayAngel]

I wouldn't really call Mormons a Christian group...

Neither would I. They reject many of the central beliefs of Christianity. Mormons and Christians do not play on the same team. Mormons try to convert Christians and vice-versa. Baptists do not concern themselves with converting Lutherans.

I don't know much about Anabaptists, so I can't say much about them. Also, keep in mind that even within certain denominations, there are splits. Some Lutheran sects, for example, are accepting of homosexuality, but others still consider it a sin.

 

[hedrick]

I believe I have found 2 other Christian groups that reject sola fide: Anabaptists and Mormons. Please correct me if I am wrong.

As far as I know, the original Radical Reformation used Scripture as an authority. The group I know today is the Mennonites. Here's their statement on Scripture: Mennonite Church USA Historical Committee & Archives

Because the Mormons believe that their leadership has prophetic authority, I'd say they don't hold to Scripture alone.