Demons

[jimmyjimmy]

Shoving sin down the throats of sinners only throws up walls for them to hide behind and automatically makes them defensive.

Yup.

We will never stop sin by pointing the finger of condemnation but by preaching the wonders of Christ in the Gospel.

That's not only true for abortion doctors. It's true of my own sanctification. The law has no power to change me; however, the gospel does.

 

[JM]

Oh here we go again...lol No Law for Twin!! but he would never break the Law of God on purpose...but NO LAW!

Love ya bro.

 

[JM]

Yup.



That's not on true for abortion doctors. It's true of my own sanctification. The law has no power to change me; however, the gospel does.

I didn't say anything about the Law having power to change. It has the power to convict a sinner of sin and that's what happened.

 

[twin1954]

Oh here we go again...lol No Law for Twin!! but he would never break the Law of God on purpose...but NO LAW!

Love ya bro.

I wholeheartedly believe in the Law as a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. But Law apart from the Gospel is nothing but judgment and condemnation. Even our presentation of the Law is to be done in love not finger pointing.

Our hearts ought to be broken for sinners who are no different than us and who are under the judgment of God. It is what should drive us in the urgency of preaching the Gospel to the lost.

How is it that we can point the finger of condemnation at lost sinners when they are no worse than we are? Are they doing anything that we wouldn't do even now if the Lord would take the hand of His grace from us? Are we better than they are because we have experienced the mercy of God? Can any of us say that we wouldn't do even worse things if given the opportunity and did not have the grace of God?

Certainly we hate sin both in ourselves and in others and the consequences of sin in the world causes us great pain. But rather than making us judgmental toward others it ought to drive us to do all we can to see to it that the Gospel is preached to every creature as we have been commanded.

Again, we abhor the murder of the defenseless child in the womb. But that isn't the only sin committed in the world and we cannot act as though it is any worse than robbing the defenseless poor or the soul damning practice of religion which is, IMHO, worse than abortion or robbing the poor.

Moreover confronting a sinner with just one of his sins focuses on the practice of sin not the root of it which is a depraved heart. What good have we done to the sinner if we cause him to have remorse for one of his sins but ignores the root of his sin in his heart?

 

[JM]

Twin, your post took longer to read than it took to watch the video. hehe The conversation was interrupted, the doc was pull away, it would be unfair to say the Gospel was not going to be preached. It is fair to say the doc was acting demonic when confronted with his sin even if you don't believe in demons.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I wholeheartedly believe in the Law as a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. But Law apart from the Gospel is nothing but judgment and condemnation. Even our presentation of the Law is to be done in love not finger pointing.

Our hearts ought to be broken for sinners who are no different than us and who are under the judgment of God. It is what should drive us in the urgency of preaching the Gospel to the lost.

How is it that we can point the finger of condemnation at lost sinners when they are no worse than we are? Are they doing anything that we wouldn't do even now if the Lord would take the hand of His grace from us? Are we better than they are because we have experienced the mercy of God? Can any of us say that we wouldn't do even worse things if given the opportunity and did not have the grace of God?

Certainly we hate sin both in ourselves and in others and the consequences of sin in the world causes us great pain. But rather than making us judgmental toward others it ought to drive us to do all we can to see to it that the Gospel is preached to every creature as we have been commanded.

Again, we abhor the murder of the defenseless child in the womb. But that isn't the only sin committed in the world and we cannot act as though it is any worse than robbing the defenseless poor or the soul damning practice of religion which is, IMHO, worse than abortion or robbing the poor.

Moreover confronting a sinner with just one of his sins focuses on the practice of sin not the root of it which is a depraved heart. What good have we done to the sinner if we cause him to have remorse for one of his sins but ignores the root of his sin in his heart?

Well said. I completely agree.

The last paragraph is key. Our biggest problem is not our sins. It's our Sin. We are not sinners because we sin. We sin because we are sinners. The doctor needs to be made a new creation, not simply stop aborting, and the only way that one is made a new creation is through faith in Christ's atoning sacrifice, which come "by hearing" - the gospel.

If the abortion doctor did repent of the sin of murder, he would be no less in danger of eternal damnation than he is right now. The only remedy for Sin is found in Christ and His cross. That's why the Apostle Paul said, "For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified."

 

[jimmyjimmy]

A question:

Did the man with the camera actually do any good for the doctor or those standing by? Did he really glorify Christ in his words and deeds? Or did he come across as a religious zealot who points the finger of condemnation on those whom he deems worse than he is?

He wanted to accomplish a feeling of moral superiority over the doctor, and he came across like a member of Westborough Baptist Church. He came across as holier than thou, and that's a deadly place for the cameraman to be, as it reveals what he thinks Christianity is, and his brand of Christianity is not Christianity at all. It's another gospel, which is no gospel at all.

Unless I truly understand, and believe to my core, that I, given the right circumstances, would have behaved no differntly than Hitler, Josef Mengele, or an abortion doctor, I really don't have a proper understanding of sin; therefore, the gospel.

Understanding my total depravity causes me to speak to "sinners" understanding that I have no moral high ground over them. There is a humility in one's witness, rather than an arrogance, once one comes to understand, as Paul did, "there is no good thing within me. . ." There was no humility nor mercy in what the cameraman said or how he said it.

Everyone knows John 3:16, arguably the most well known verse in the Bible, but seldom know the very next verse: "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him." (John 3:17)

 

[twin1954]

Twin, your post took longer to read than it took to watch the video. hehe The conversation was interrupted, the doc was pull away, it would be unfair to say the Gospel was not going to be preached. It is fair to say the doc was acting demonic when confronted with his sin even if you don't believe in demons.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

Are you saying that I get preachy? Love you my brother.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Wow. Usually demonic oppression is a bit more subtle especially in this day of instant record. But, I suppose since the manifold is breaking down we will see more and more "strange" behavior.

That was definitely agency at work.

Anyone can be an agent of satan, especially depending on the amount of sin you ignore and commit.

I won't say this guy is a demon, but the "I never go to Christ," the sound of his voice and the content of his words (or, sounds rather) make me think he was being used as an agent.

I don't think it was a simple mocking, especially since it seems the doctor didn't care who heard/saw him act. If the security guard didn't tell him about a phone call, he would have continued with the cameraperson.

Wow.

 

[JM]

This thread was a success! The SR has been dead so I was hoping to get things moving.

Where you stand on this video is fine with me. I don't believe the guy was trying to make himself morally superior, anymore than I believe Jimmy or Twin feel morally superior for saying, "I'd never do thaaaaat!!" lol

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[twin1954]

This thread was a success! The SR has been dead so I was hoping to get things moving.

Where you stand on this video is fine with me. I don't believe the guy was trying to make himself morally superior, anymore than I believe Jimmy or Twin feel morally superior for saying, "I'd never do thaaaaat!!" lol

Yours in the Lord,

jm

Even though i am morally superior I don't feel like it. That wouldn't be humble of me. Ha Ha!

 

[JM]

lol

 

[jimmyjimmy]

This thread was a success! The SR has been dead so I was hoping to get things moving.

Where you stand on this video is fine with me. I don't believe the guy was trying to make himself morally superior, anymore than I believe Jimmy or Twin feel morally superior for saying, "I'd never do thaaaaat!!" lol

Yours in the Lord,

jm

The only reason that I would not act like the cameraman is that God has sought and found me. If I were climbing a stairway to Heaven (good works), as I was prior to His intervention, I would be oblivious to this.

BTW, you may define success as activity in this subforum, but some of the replies here have been so lacking in discernment that I have lost hope that SR would be a place to find a dose of sanity in forum that can be a little insane at times.

 

[stenerson]

Was the baby killing "doctor" simply mocking the protestor and acting kooky. Probably. Is that man under the control of demons? Of course.