demons

[IamGodslittlegirl]

double post

 

[Dave01]

question:
why is it that no one in the signs and wonders movement researches the foundation of their belief system? Did God hide this great phenom for a so called new move of God - which is not prophesied [this goes against Scripture]? I am truly curious how you can stand on this doctrine when there has been zero concern or knowledge that the foundation was built on sand [the fathers of the charismatic/word of faith/pentecostal/full gospel/four square/assembly of God religious movement]. historical evidence will prove out God's Word - and now days that seems to be the one thing we have to confirm the exposure of these kinds of false teachings when holding them up to the Light of God's Word.

Oh I see,..it seems you are having a hard time believing your bible, and anything that GOD does you will dispute.

I have no real time to make a case for GOD's word to you, it should be evident and written upon your heart already.

Good day

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

Oh I see,..it seems you are having a hard time believing your bible, and anything that GOD does you will dispute.

I have no real time to make a case for GOD's word to you, it should be evident and written upon your heart already.

Good day

I believe with all my heart that the signs and wonders followed the apostles, that they spoke in new tongues and that they were bit by serpents and did not die - just as Jesus said they would. The book of Acts is historical documentation of it as God's Holy Word. I believe that this prophecy of Christ was fulfilled in the NT as witnessed in Acts.


Your perception is that the signs and wonders continued for the last 2,000 years. There should be much further historical documentation in massive amounts due to the numbers that God added to the believers. There is none other than it errupting along the way in corrupt sources in pockets here and there and then in the last 100 years from another corrupt source. What sayest thou to that?

 

[Dave01]

I believe with all my heart that the signs and wonders followed the apostles, that they spoke in new tongues and that they were bit by serpents and did not die - just as Jesus said they would. The book of Acts is historical documentation of it as God's Holy Word. I believe that this prophecy of Christ was fulfilled in the NT as witnessed in Acts.


Your perception is that the signs and wonders continued for the last 2,000 years. There should be much further historical documentation in massive amounts due to the numbers that God added to the believers. There is none other than it errupting along the way in corrupt sources in pockets here and there and then in the last 100 years from another corrupt source. What sayest thou to that?

What do I say about it?

It doesn't matter what I say about it, GOD's word needs no defense. I think you're only arguing against my denomination really.

I've prayed for people and they have been healed. I've prayed for people and demons were cast out of them. I've watched my enemies ground into the ground numerous times by GOD. My cup has been to overflowing Spiritually many a time.

GOD has not quite got me to the point where I pray for someone and they are raised from the dead, but it will happen soon enough.

Your opinion doesn't really mean squat to me when I'm watching HIM move through me. Either you are a part of it or you are on the sidelines. Your choice.

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

What do I say about it?

It doesn't matter what I say about it, GOD's word needs no defense. I think you're only arguing against my denomination really.

I've prayed for people and they have been healed. I've prayed for people and demons were cast out of them. I've watched my enemies ground into the ground numerous times by GOD. My cup has been to overflowing Spiritually many a time.

GOD has not quite got me to the point where I pray for someone and they were raised from the dead, but it will happen soon enough.

Your opinion doesn't really mean squat to me when I'm watching HIM move through me. Either you are a part of it or you are on the sidelines. Your choice.

I am not trying to persecute you really, I am not.

Let me ask you this - why do you think there is no historical confirmation that signs and wonders followed all believers since the first century? Why did God stop? Is a new move of God prophesied in the NT for the end times like we see today? The reason I ask, is that Jesus talks about the end times with no mention of these things - and so does Paul. When Paul spoke of signs and wonders they were of satan and that believers would be deceived that these things were of God, but are not. These are all questions and observations that I have.

I don't wanna fight with ya - I just wanna pick yer brain

shalom

 

[Dave01]

I am not trying to persecute you really, I am not.

Let me ask you this - why do you think there is no historical confirmation that signs and wonders followed all believers since the first century? Why did God stop? Is a new move of God prophesied in the NT for the end times like we see today? The reason I ask, is that Jesus talks about the end times with no mention of these things - and so does Paul. When Paul spoke of signs and wonders they were of satan and that believers would be deceived that these things were of God, but are not. These are all questions and observations that I have.

I don't wanna fight with ya - I just wanna pick yer brain

shalom

Let those with ears to hear, hear what The Spirit sayeth.

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

Let those with ears to hear, hear what The Spirit sayeth.

The Spirit sayeth to test the spirits - have you researched the foundations of your doctrines to find out what spirit it is?

I am sorry you don't want to answer the questions - you must be afraid of what you might find if you do your homework . . .

 

[kulenok]

Yes,demons of course exist today and yes,they do posses people. But I think you are safe if you are a real Christian. I also belive that humans cannot drive out demons on their own, but what an exorsist does is calls upon Jesus or God to drive them out. It is almost like praying.
My pastor brought up an example of why a demon cannot posses a Christian. If there is a strong man inside of a house, will a theif be able to enter the house without first getting rid of the strong man? No. Think of the theif as a demon,and of the strong man as God. Think of the house as you.

 

[Dave01]

The Spirit sayeth to test the spirits - have you researched the foundations of your doctrines to find out what spirit it is?

I am sorry you don't want to answer the questions - you must be afraid of what you might find if you do your homework . . .

Homework? What homework?

GOD saved me, not my church. HE is our faith not our church. Why would I be worried about what my church believes other than I would want whatever church I go to to follow the church of the 1st century documented in my bible, and mine does that just fine.

If the catholic church was the tongues speaking, rapture ready church that GOD wanted me to be at, then I would be over there.

 

[BereanTodd]

Yes, demons absolutely exist today and they absolutely are real and they absolutely still possess people. I do not believe that a true believer, someone truly saved, can be possessed though.

Yes I believe we can have the power to cast them out, but it is not our power, but the power of the Holy Spirit and prayer that does it.

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

Yes, demons absolutely exist today and they absolutely are real and they absolutely still possess people. I do not believe that a true believer, someone truly saved, can be possessed though.

What about Peter? satan spoke through him. When Jesus said - get behind Me, satan - He was speaking to Peter.

This was right after Peter had declared that Jesus was the Messiah - he was truly saved.

 

[BereanTodd]

What about Peter? satan spoke through him. When Jesus said - get behind Me, satan - He was speaking to Peter.

This was right after Peter had declared that Jesus was the Messiah - he was truly saved.

First off, I do not think that Peter was truly possessed, I think the "get behind me Satan" there was more figurative. Secondly, even if it were to be taken as a literal statement, at that time believers were not indwelt with the Holy Spirit. We have advantages over the apostles at the time of the events written in the Gospels. The HS did not come until after Pentecost, but all modern day believers are the temple of the Holy Spirit, God lives inside of us, and for demon possession to be possible it must be possible for the demons to overpower and move out the Holy Spirit who lives in us.

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

Homework? What homework?

GOD saved me, not my church. HE is our faith not our church. Why would I be worried about what my church believes other than I would want whatever church I go to to follow the church of the 1st century documented in my bible, and mine does that just fine.

If the catholic church was the tongues speaking, rapture ready church that GOD wanted me to be at, then I would be over there.

Not refering to salvation. I was saved too, but under seducing spirits. I started to research where all the teachings came from. that's what I mean by homework. the teachings are "new", billed as a "new move of the spirit". up until the middle to the end of the 1800's there was no Holy Spirit signs and wonders manifesting anywhere. They began through impure sources at that time.

In a nutshell, those impure sources denied the Deity of Christ. If you are not for Him, you are against Him. It became a contagious movement spreading like wild fire, uncontrolled and confusing, gaining momentum in the early 1900s when it exploded on Azuza street. Out of that arose different leaders with different doctrines and teachings all blending together in an unholy alliance.

As I stated - Paul prophesied that this would happen. The signs and wonders of today are not of God, but a deception. Paul also showed us that satan transforms himself into an angel of light. this means that a segment of truth would enhance deceptive doctrines - so much so that Jesus said that even the elect would be deceived. He was not speaking of unbelievers, but of those who know Him. Paul said many would fall away to the doctrines of devils. Don't you ever wonder what that might be? something that is seductive would look like God, act like God, talk like God, walk like God, feel like God, but is not Him.

This movement is full of confusion, contridictions, and involves the most heinous acts of a manifested spirit that rivial witchcraft in Africa - where this movement is birthed.

The truth is not pleasant, it's not experiential, and it will cost to get out from under the spirit of the thing. Been there, done that. Now I am free in the simplicity of Christ.

My point is to warn anyone who cares to listen, that they are playing with a loaded pistol aimed at their heart. You can ignore me, ridicule what I say and walk away. My purpose here, is to sound the alarm.

 

[IamGodslittlegirl]

First off, I do not think that Peter was truly possessed, I think the "get behind me Satan" there was more figurative. Secondly, even if it were to be taken as a literal statement, at that time believers were not indwelt with the Holy Spirit. We have advantages over the apostles at the time of the events written in the Gospels. The HS did not come until after Pentecost, but all modern day believers are the temple of the Holy Spirit, God lives inside of us, and for demon possession to be possible it must be possible for the demons to overpower and move out the Holy Spirit who lives in us.

oh, I think that evil spirits can move right in along side of the Holy Spirit. I had given my life to Christ and was completely submitted to Him when I got occupied by seducing spirits. They cannot cannot steal your salvation if you continue in Christ, but they sure can make a mess of your doctrine and theology. A little leaven will work its way through the whole loaf.

Thankfully, God extended His grace to me and exposed the lies. Now I am free - His Name be praised forevermore

according to the Biblical definition of salvation, belief in Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of God, is all it takes - which Peter had confessed. The indwelt Spirit regenerates the old man into the new, but I believe that satan truly spoke through Peter. Jesus spoke directly to satan in the same way that He did when satan tempted Him. He didn't say, Peter you lug head - what are you thinking? Jesus said - get behind me satan!

I have also experienced a demon(s) speaking through me - when I was saved, so it's very possible.

 

[TamaraLynne]

....that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
John 17:21-23


This is important to know

And because we are one............we should be doing the things that Jesus did..........because he only did what he saw the father do.

And we are to do the will of the father...........whether it is to cast out demons,heal the sick,forgive our enemies,love ..................

God never changes............

And I don't care what denomination...........the Holy Spirit is the same for all................

And it is the Holy Spirit working through us that gets these works accomplished...........

because of our faith and trust in Jesus............

God dwells in us

 

[TamaraLynne]

Yes,demons of course exist today and yes,they do posses people. But I think you are safe if you are a real Christian. I also belive that humans cannot drive out demons on their own, but what an exorsist does is calls upon Jesus or God to drive them out. It is almost like praying.
My pastor brought up an example of why a demon cannot posses a Christian. If there is a strong man inside of a house, will a theif be able to enter the house without first getting rid of the strong man? No. Think of the theif as a demon,and of the strong man as God. Think of the house as you.

From the mouth of babes


Amen!

 

[Dave01]

Not refering to salvation. I was saved too, but under seducing spirits. I started to research where all the teachings came from. that's what I mean by homework. the teachings are "new", billed as a "new move of the spirit". up until the middle to the end of the 1800's there was no Holy Spirit signs and wonders manifesting anywhere. They began through impure sources at that time.

I'm at a loss as to what you are meaning here. Impure souces? And I highly doubt that there is ever a time in history that The Holy Spirit did not move in signs and wonders through His church somewhere.

In a nutshell, those impure sources denied the Deity of Christ. If you are not for Him, you are against Him. It became a contagious movement spreading like wild fire, uncontrolled and confusing, gaining momentum in the early 1900s when it exploded on Azuza street. Out of that arose different leaders with different doctrines and teachings all blending together in an unholy alliance.

That's quite a story to say that every single person that was ever involved in a movement of GOD denied the diety of Christ.

As I stated - Paul prophesied that this would happen. The signs and wonders of today are not of God, but a deception. Paul also showed us that satan transforms himself into an angel of light. this means that a segment of truth would enhance deceptive doctrines - so much so that Jesus said that even the elect would be deceived. He was not speaking of unbelievers, but of those who know Him. Paul said many would fall away to the doctrines of devils. Don't you ever wonder what that might be? something that is seductive would look like God, act like God, talk like God, walk like God, feel like God, but is not Him.

Satan is not going to witness to GOD's word,...

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe: in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; \

Mar 16:18 they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall in no wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

This happens on a regular basis, not just in my church, but all over the world. I don't for one minute think that satan has orchestrated some big false movement that just happens to agree with GOD's word, that is being divided against himself.

This movement is full of confusion, contridictions, and involves the most heinous acts of a manifested spirit that rivial witchcraft in Africa - where this movement is birthed.

This sounds like certain teachings that you hear out of the baptist circles at times, calling the works of The Holy Spirit as being of witchcraft. Really, that is not healthy for you and your salvation. By the way, you need to present documented proof that every move of GOD here in America and abroad originated over in Africa, I would like to see that one.

The truth is not pleasant, it's not experiential, and it will cost to get out from under the spirit of the thing. Been there, done that. Now I am free in the simplicity of Christ.

My point is to warn anyone who cares to listen, that they are playing with a loaded pistol aimed at their heart. You can ignore me, ridicule what I say and walk away. My purpose here, is to sound the alarm.

Well if it was truth, it would have it's intended effect of setting someone free. But that is not happening.

How GOD is moving in HIS church throughout time has a divine mandate,..

1Co 14:26 What is it then, brothers? Whenever you come together, each of you has a song, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

That word bolded is in the active sense. It is a commandment from The Lord for every church, not just the Corinthians.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Jesus did cast out demons and the demons fought back. When you read scripture and see where Jesus cast out 5,000 demons into pigs you can see the battle and the effort the demons used to try to bind Jesus.

Also, when Jesus was preparing to leave he left the Apostles gifts of the Spirit or Charisms. These gifts are of a manner that can be passed on by the laying of hands (much like tongues in Pentecost churches).

But, even though demonic possesion still occurs today, one should not believe they can simply cast out a demon because they have the Holy Spirit, that is folly.

A good movie based on court documentation as well as the writers work is the story of Emily Rose.

 

[TamaraLynne]

Jesus did cast out demons and the demons fought back. When you read scripture and see where Jesus cast out 5,000 demons into pigs you can see the battle and the effort the demons used to try to bind Jesus.

Also, when Jesus was preparing to leave he left the Apostles gifts of the Spirit or Charisms. These gifts are of a manner that can be passed on by the laying of hands (much like tongues in Pentecost churches).

But, even though demonic possesion still occurs today, one should not believe they can simply cast out a demon because they have the Holy Spirit, that is folly.

A good movie based on court documentation as well as the writers work is the story of Emily Rose.

could you please expound on this? If I remember correctly the demons were terrified of Jesus and they begged to be sent into the pigs...........I'm not sure what the other option was but the demons begged............


even demons are subject to God..........

Love
Tam

 

[Sleaker]

Just some verses to start:

[bible]Mark 16:15-18[/bible]