Demons, the scientific method.

[AV1611VET]

And once more, the irony of you posting mouth-frothing anti-science statements while sitting at a computer using the internet, probably having had your life saved at least once by modern medicine.

What does one iota of that have to do with money wasted on an LHC, SETI, or any other scientific endeavor that ends up not being cost-justified?

Is that what you would tell the government?

"Hey, Senator, I want to look for unobtainium, but I need funding to build an Unobtainium Obtainer. Can you help?"

"What do you mean, 'No'? Don't you use a computer? And I'll bet you've had your life saved at least once by modern medicine!"

"What do you mean, 'So?' ...

 

[Freodin]

What does one iota of that have to do with money wasted on an LHC, SETI, or any other scientific endeavor that ends up not being cost-justified?

Is that what you would tell the government?

"Hey, Senator, I want to look for unobtainium, but I need funding to build an Unobtainium Obtainer. Can you help?"

"What do you mean, 'No'? Don't you use a computer? And I'll bet you've had your life saved at least once by modern medicine!"

"What do you mean, 'So?' ...

Science only does what you always insist on... it "keeps looking".
On the other hand... the perfect hindsight that you invoke here to justify your rejection of science has never ever found a single truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

On the other hand... the perfect hindsight that you invoke here to justify your rejection of science has never ever found a single truth.

I reject science, do I?

 

[thaumaturgy]

And once more, the irony of you posting mouth-frothing anti-science statements while sitting at a computer using the internet, probably having had your life saved at least once by modern medicine.

AV's "thing" is to pay lipservice to "respect" for Science. He has called scientists "Gifts from God" and he has come up with embedded age so he can be a young earther without allowing himself to be labelled a young earther and questioning science.

But the best thing is when he tells science to "take a hike" when it says anything he thinks goes against the Bible (or more properly his reading of the Bible).

The best part of that is it is about the most anti-science thing he could say.

You can't pick and choose when science is allowed to speak. Science speaks you have to find a reason to reject it's statement that is "scientific", not faith-based.

So in his lipservice to science respect he destroys it with just once saying "science can take a hike".

Just one time saying that, let alone making it his tag line.

 

[thaumaturgy]

I reject science, do I?

AV, you accept science only when you agree with it or it doesn't pose a threat to your reading of the Bible.

So your "acceptance" of science is like someone saying "I love soccer except that I absolutely hate the fact that players on the field apart from the goalie can't use their hands, other than that I honor all rules of science."

Do you see our point yet?

 

[thaumaturgy]

I reject science, do I?

I am an atheist. I love Jesus as savior of all mankind except I don't believe he existed and if he actually did I don't think he was God.

Ergo I am a good Christian.

Christianity can take a hike.

Do you think I have made any sense with these statements?

 

[Freodin]

I reject science, do I?

Yes. Yes, you do indeed. You take your pick of the things that might profit you, and spit on the work, the idea and the spirit that produced these things.

If you ever really believed that Atheists reject God while breathing His air, then you have to admit to yourself: you reject science.

 

[AV1611VET]

I reject science, do I?

Yes. Yes, you do indeed.

Do you feel you have to believe that is true, in order to avoid cognitive dissonance? or do you just feel you have to believe that is true?

 

[Inept]

Do you feel you have to believe that is true, in order to avoid cognitive dissonance? or do you just feel you have to believe that is true?

No belief required, just a quick look at your User title.

 

[thaumaturgy]

No belief required, just a quick look at your User title.

Imagine if you put as your tagline: "Christianity can take a hike" and then you proceeded to tell Christians how you feel that you are a real Christian because you like some of the things Jesus did, like chasing the money changers out. But when it came to him being one with God you thought that was just silly and not real.

AV doesn't understand that "respect" for science isn't a "pick-and-choose" buffet based on personal taste.

But it allows him to somehow feel that he is respecting science while holding one of the most anti-science stances I've heard anyone really say.

He pays lip service to science while missing the whole point of science.

I don't think he does it on purpose, I just don't think he "gets" it. I really think he doesn't understand the grievous error he makes about this point all the time.

 

[cupid dave]

I am an atheist. I love Jesus as savior of all mankind except I don't believe he existed and if he actually did I don't think he was God.

Ergo I am a good Christian.

Christianity can take a hike.

Do you think I have made any sense with these statements?

So you think Jesus was more like our Good Conscience, then,....

1) Lucifer = The Pleasure Principle = Id
2) Satan = Physical Drives = Libido
3) Mammon = The Aggressive Drive = Ego
4) Devil = Feminine principle of Intuition = Anima
5) Baalzebub = The Reality Principle = Self
6) False Prophet = The Logical/Mathematical Mind = Superego
7) False Shepherd = Psychic Balance = Harmony

 

[AV1611VET]

So you think Jesus was more like our Good Conscience, then,....

No offense, but this guy, in some odd way, reminds me of David McCallum:

 

[Supernaut]

Wow...someone's been slippin more stuff into the koolaid 'round here.

 

[Cromulent]

What does one iota of that have to do with money wasted on an LHC, SETI, or any other scientific endeavor that ends up not being cost-justified?

Is that what you would tell the government?

"Hey, Senator, I want to look for unobtainium, but I need funding to build an Unobtainium Obtainer. Can you help?"

"What do you mean, 'No'? Don't you use a computer? And I'll bet you've had your life saved at least once by modern medicine!"

"What do you mean, 'So?' ...

If there's a passage in the bible that can tell you which research projects are going to produce profitable or beneficial results, I'd love you to point it out for me.

Not to mention the fact that your post clearly wasn't an attack on the LHC, or SETI, it was an attack on science in general: "When science gets and itch, money gets wasted", remember saying that?

Perhaps they should have said that to Alexander Fleming when he was starting out researching staphylococcus. After all, there was the chance money could have been wasted!

 

[AV1611VET]

Perhaps they should have said that to Alexander Fleming when he was starting out researching staphylococcus. After all, there was the chance money could have been wasted!

I hope you're not intimating that I should have included penicillin in my list here: 58

 

[Cromulent]

I hope you're not intimating that I should have included penicillin in my list here: 58

You shouldn't have included anything in your list. The world would have been just a tiny bit better for it.

 

[AV1611VET]

You shouldn't have included anything in your list. The world would have been just a tiny bit better for it.

Oh, I don't have any qualms about telling LHC or SETI to take a hike.

In fact, the government did just that to SETI; and now they have to come up with their own funds, instead of picking our pockets.

And I'm just a tiny bit better for it.

And for the record, I'll bet you didn't even feel it when SETI got scaled down; did you?

And should LHC close down and they auction or donate their building to the Girl Scouts or whomever; I'll bet you won't even lose a night's sleep.

(I could be wrong though.)

 

[Cromulent]

Oh, I don't have any qualms about telling LHC or SETI to take a hike.

In fact, the government did just that to SETI; and now they have to come up with their own funds, instead of picking our pockets.

And I'm just a tiny bit better for it.

And for the record, I'll bet you didn't even feel it when SETI got scaled down; did you?

And should LHC close down and they auction or donate their building to the Girl Scouts or whomever; I'll bet you won't even lose a night's sleep.

(I could be wrong though.)

How is all of this in any way relevant to the discussion? You're just taking cheap shots at anything scientific. Yes, SETI ahd the LHC haven't delivered earth-shattering results (yet), but if all people shared your attitude, we'd still be living in caves, because some of the new-fangled experiments with agriculture didn't go according to plan. I'm personally willing to live with a few projects that don't work out so I can use a computer in a heated house, and not die of dysentery. I'm frankly quite shocked that there is a single person in the world who isn't.

 

[Tiberius]

One wonders what AV would say to Edison, who tested so many materials with his lightbulb.

"Give it up, Tom. You've tried so much stuff. It's not going to work."

And we'd all be sitting in the dark.

 

[AV1611VET]

One wonders what AV would say to Edison, who tested so many materials with his lightbulb.

That's the point -- his lightbulb.

Edison didn't pick our pockets to do his experiments; he did them with his own funds or sponsorship.

(That I know of, anyway.)