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Sounds like a scene from a B grade movie.
Do you have any firsthand experience of this type of demonic temptation or do demons usually avoid you?
So like a voodoo bad juju kind of thing?I think he's talking about what E.E. "Doc" Smith called "a residuum of non-material malignancy against which all the physical weapons of all the universes would be completely impotent."
Now just have a bit of a think about the unfriendliness of that remark.
Did a demon whisper that in your ear, or are you just a not very nice person?
Here is another example...
I'm having lunch with my mum in a country town.
Half way through eating I feel a disturbance deep in my Spirit.
I stand up and say to my mum follow me somethings not right, I'm loosing my peace.
We walk outside and down the path - I sense exactly what direction it is coming from.
Sure enough I stop at the boundary and look and the neighbour is divining for water...
Right, although in the US (and I think some other places), the Catholic church is effectively mainline, even though official doctrine isn't.According to Pew Forum, 21% of U.S. Christians are mainline (liberal) Protestants. The percentage is lower in places like Africa, so "the Christian world at large" is probably pretty conservative.
Right, although in the US (and I think some other places), the Catholic church is effectively mainline, even though official doctrine isn't.
Deut 18:9-14 lists practices that are 'detestable' and spiritually dark.
Divination is among them.
There is a demonic spirit behind it.
CarlOK this was back in the late 70's and I will need to contact his son. This will take days rather than hours so be patient. Im not sure if Colin is still alive.
I would like to ask though, what difference will it make if I verify so that I know the effort will be worth while?
Isn't it more important for you to have evidence of God???
You can read my testimony here...
Jesus's Ministry
According to Pew Forum, 21% of U.S. Christians are mainline (liberal) Protestants. The percentage is lower in places like Africa, so "the Christian world at large" is probably pretty conservative.
So... they finally reopened the bars in New York?
OB
I think this forum is still extremely conservative, even taking that into consideration, because of being predominantly American.
There's also a bias in the population I'm sampling in this thread. I suspect that CFers lean towards the conservative end of the Christian spectrum. The CF pop is also predominately American. This means that the opinions I'm seeing here are predominantly vocal, conservative Christians with a culturally US viewpoint.
I'm a bit cautious about the alien/demon correlations you've mentioned. I don't see aliens as supernatural entities and even I would concede the possibility aliens exist somewhere although not necessarily hiding out on this planet. Aliens, if they are out there, are by definition natural life forms. I also include simple life like molds or bacteria under the general heading of aliens.
I concede that the popular conception of aliens is probably an intelligent being who flits around locally in a flying saucer but even this interpretation does not require they be supernatural. Demons on the other hand are definitely supernatural. What I'm saying is that belief in demons may not equate with belief in aliens.
OB
Well, I'm saying the opposite, actually. The average African Christian, for example, would be shocked at how liberal this forum is. And Africans make up a big slice of global Christianity: see this map.
The "Conservative end of the Christian spectrum"? What does that even "mean"? Does it mean something like "...these are Christians who don't want anyone telling them how to interpret the Bible..."? What are conservative Christians conserving, really? And what are so-called "Liberal Christians" liberating themselves from, really?
I think it is indeed deeply buried, and one reason is that in the New Testament they are represented as sentient beings. In Matthew 8:28-34, for example, they have a conversation with Jesus that ends with them striking a bargain with him.As I've said in another post I suspect the more liberal churches may be too embarrassed to openly admit to demon belief even though it does appear to be deeply buried in the Christian psyche.
For the purposes of the forum, I would say that it comes down to inerrancy: you're a conservative if you accept it and a liberal if you don't. If you're an inerrantist, you probably have to accept the existence of demons, but if you're not, it could go either way.
I don't think this is a great definition of theological conservativism, by any means, since I would consider myself to be somewhat theologically conservative, and you are more so than I am, but compared to the forum at large, we're liberals.
I don't know all that much about African Christianity except that it leans quite socially conservative. Would it be more conservative than American Evangelical Protestantism?
My major concern with saying that the world leans more conservative than the United States would be the question of what Catholicism looks like globally.
Evangelicals in the US have mellowed, whereas that doesn't seem to be the case in Africa. Reasons for that are beyond the reasonable scope of this thread.Hmm, that is a fair point. I don't know all that much about African Christianity except that it leans quite socially conservative. Would it be more conservative than American Evangelical Protestantism? I was under the impression that aside from some of the native churches, it sprung out of Evangelical missionary activity.
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