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Democrats ignore Ukrainian denials of pressure by Trump
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<blockquote data-quote="Ada Lovelace" data-source="post: 74479922" data-attributes="member: 354769"><p>There's a lot of fallacies packed into one post and I only have a couple of minutes to spend here.</p><p></p><p>President Zelensky is in an extraordinarily vulnerable position, with his country desperately needing the support of the United States both in terms of military aid and clout in order to defend itself from the persistent attacks from Russia. He is also one of the youngest leaders in the world, and is inexperienced politically; he was previously an actor and screenwriter. He ran for president on an anti-corruption platform and won, and then was hectored into a compromising position by Trump and his proxies that threatened to undermine that platform. The irony is that the narrative Trump has pushed about corruption in Ukraine is actually antipodal to the reality of it. But right now what Zelensky cares about the most, understandably, is not untangling facts from false perceptions, but simply protecting his own country's best interest. It's the biggest "no duh, dude" ever that he would say he hadn't felt pressured, knowing that undermining and contradicting Trump while Trump is still in office is detrimental to his own country. I mean, this is <em>literally </em>a matter of life and death.</p><p></p><p>The delay of military aid to Ukraine was not without consequence, nor was it innocent. At least 13 Ukrainian soldiers, ranging in age from just 20 to 45, were killed while Donald Trump's administration was withholding military aid from the country from mid-July to mid-September. It's impossible to state with certainty whether prompt delivery of the American aid would have prevented these deaths, but each one underscores the human toll at stake. Kiev was, and it remains, locked in a brutal, deadly struggle with its Russian-backed separatist adversaries. This whole Trump-induced fiasco has also managed to hand Putin yet another victory in portraying Ukraine, their adversary, negatively.</p><p></p><p>ETA link from Kiev Post: <a href="https://www.kyivpost.com/article/opinion/op-ed/david-ignatius-people-died-while-trump-played-games-with-ukraines-military-aid.html?cn-reloaded=1" target="_blank">People died while Trump played games with Ukraine’s military aid</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ada Lovelace, post: 74479922, member: 354769"] There's a lot of fallacies packed into one post and I only have a couple of minutes to spend here. President Zelensky is in an extraordinarily vulnerable position, with his country desperately needing the support of the United States both in terms of military aid and clout in order to defend itself from the persistent attacks from Russia. He is also one of the youngest leaders in the world, and is inexperienced politically; he was previously an actor and screenwriter. He ran for president on an anti-corruption platform and won, and then was hectored into a compromising position by Trump and his proxies that threatened to undermine that platform. The irony is that the narrative Trump has pushed about corruption in Ukraine is actually antipodal to the reality of it. But right now what Zelensky cares about the most, understandably, is not untangling facts from false perceptions, but simply protecting his own country's best interest. It's the biggest "no duh, dude" ever that he would say he hadn't felt pressured, knowing that undermining and contradicting Trump while Trump is still in office is detrimental to his own country. I mean, this is [I]literally [/I]a matter of life and death. The delay of military aid to Ukraine was not without consequence, nor was it innocent. At least 13 Ukrainian soldiers, ranging in age from just 20 to 45, were killed while Donald Trump's administration was withholding military aid from the country from mid-July to mid-September. It's impossible to state with certainty whether prompt delivery of the American aid would have prevented these deaths, but each one underscores the human toll at stake. Kiev was, and it remains, locked in a brutal, deadly struggle with its Russian-backed separatist adversaries. This whole Trump-induced fiasco has also managed to hand Putin yet another victory in portraying Ukraine, their adversary, negatively. ETA link from Kiev Post: [URL='https://www.kyivpost.com/article/opinion/op-ed/david-ignatius-people-died-while-trump-played-games-with-ukraines-military-aid.html?cn-reloaded=1']People died while Trump played games with Ukraine’s military aid[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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