Democratic Party Collapses in New Poll

[Fantine]

You're telling me many Americans are misinformed, that many Americans are looking to trust in all the wrong places.

We've known that since Election Day. We've known it since (except for a blissful four year respite) 2016.

We can only hope they will change. We have seen it happen in other countries. Brazil ousted Bolsanaro. The UK ousted Boris Johnson. Countries have briefly looked to trust in all the wrong places and come to their senses when things began to fall apart.

I would hope that Americans are as sensible as Brazilians and Brits; there's no reason to think they aren't. I fully expect this brief flirtation with oligarchical totalitarianism will come crashing as Americans experience the results.

 

[Always in His Presence]

You're telling me many Americans are misinformed, that many Americans are looking to trust in all the wrong places.

We've known that since Election Day. We've known it since (except for a blissful four year respite) 2016.

We can only hope they will change. We have seen it happen in other countries. Brazil ousted Bolsanaro. The UK ousted Boris Johnson. Countries have briefly looked to trust in all the wrong places and come to their senses when things began to fall apart.

I would hope that Americans are as sensible as Brazilians and Brits; there's no reason to think they aren't. I fully expect this brief flirtation with oligarchical totalitarianism will come crashing as Americans experience the results.

Psst.... I am telling you that it is their own party rejecting them - the ones who did not support Trump.

You know - the 49.9% and then the party's own leadership. They are toxic

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

MSN

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Knewz.com is reporting that the Democratic Party's favorability rating has dropped to 29% according to a recent CNN/SSRS poll, marking a significant decline from previous ratings of 47%. Former Clinton pollster Mark Penn recently revealed that the party has increasingly relied on left-wing figures, such as Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), which he believes may hinder electoral success. Rep. Adam Smith (D-WA) linked the party's decline to far-left policies.​

I usually do not pay attention to polls, especially two years before any election. Therefore, these polls are generally considered insignificant. A better way to gauge the country's mood will be next Tuesday, April 1, 2025. There are three important elections: Wisconsin Supreme Court election and two in Florida. In Florida, both districts are typically Republican, and it will be interesting to observe the percentage points by which Republicans win these districts. On the other hand, Wisconsin is a swing state, but judicial elections have become a significant issue over the past ten years. These election results will provide a clearer understanding of the current sentiments among Americans.

 

[CaDan]

These sorts of discussions tend to be unproductive because the term "party" is poorly defined. Major American political parties are these strange amorphous blobs with deliberately opaque structures and funding. When we criticize parties (both Democratic and Republican) we run into the difficulty of identifying who we are actually criticizing. Elected officials? Semi-elected internal party officers? Hired consultants? Voters?

 

[Always in His Presence]

With the Democratic Leadership mostly silent on the violence and destruction - it doesn't bode well for them - How much farther can they sink?

 

[Fantine]

With the Democratic Leadership mostly silent on the violence and destruction - it doesn't bode well for them - How much farther can they sink?

You expect an awful lot of the Democrats when Republicans can't even get their leaders to 1) follow Constitutional law; 2) plan surprise attacks--endangering American lives-- without using a commercial site and accidentally inviting journalists; 3) get Elon Musk to stop interfering in a Wisconsin judicial election that is considering a civil case in which he is a defendant. And more.

We've never seen chaos and blatant corruption like this when Democrats were in charge.

 

[Always in His Presence]

You expect an awful lot of the Democrats

Like being honest and standing against intimidation and violence?

The Democratic Party is not collapsing because of what the Republicans have or will do. They are collapsing because of their actions and what they are willing to do or ignore because of the hatred of the opposing party.

 

[Pommer]

Like being honest and standing against intimidation and violence?

The Democratic Party is not collapsing because of what the Republicans have or will do. They are collapsing because of their actions and what they are willing to do or ignore because of the hatred of the opposing party.

Yes, the Democratic Party has “problems”.
Such is the nature of parties political.

No-one seems to want to take the lead except for Bernie (who’s not a Democrat), and AOC who’s polarizing.

 

[Fantine]

Like being honest and standing against intimidation and violence?

The Democratic Party is not collapsing because of what the Republicans have or will do. They are collapsing because of their actions and what they are willing to do or ignore because of the hatred of the opposing party.

The Democrats I know are in a state of shock and horror at how much groundwork had been laid by Project 2025 before the election. They hit the ground running. The level of evil is intricate. EOs allowing federal and Cabinet officials to.do private business with foreign countries. That one little rule that went unnoticed in the barrage of bigger ones opens up.the floodgates of corruption wide to Cabinet members so controversial and borderline they barely squeaked through the Senate.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The Democrats I know are in a state of shock and horror at how much groundwork had been laid by Project 2025 before the election. They hit the ground running. The level of evil is intricate. EOs allowing federal and Cabinet officials to.do private business with foreign countries. That one little rule that went unnoticed in the barrage of bigger ones opens up.the floodgates of corruption wide to Cabinet members so controversial and borderline they barely squeaked through the Senate.

They are collapsing because of their actions and what they are willing to do or ignore because of the hatred of the opposing party.

 

[Fantine]

They are collapsing because of their actions and what they are willing to do or ignore because of the hatred of the opposing party.

I point out three serious problems, which should merit things like impeachment (#1), firing (#2), and indictment (#3.)
And you say it's due to "hatred of the opposing party?"
When Biden was president, Republicans were pretending--without a shred of evidence--that Biden had a "crime family" (SMH) and that he was somehow profiting from $5 million Hunter earned as a consultant. ($5 million, for those of you who are not arithmetically inclined, is 400 times less than the $2 billion Jared Kushner got from Saudi Arabia.)
But all three of the examples I gave are actual events, confirmed. The unconstitutional acts (too many to count here) are on their way to a Supreme Court which has two conservatives unsympathetic to this unprecedented power grab. The top secret leak is being downplayed by those who are still talking about Hillary's emails. Musk's election interference will surely result in a contested vote--if the candidate the extraordinarily unpopular Musk is funding should win. And should he lose, his attempt to influence his case through conflict of interest will surely not be favorable to him.

 

[Say it aint so]

Like being honest and standing against intimidation and violence?

The Democratic Party is not collapsing because of what the Republicans have or will do. They are collapsing because of their actions and what they are willing to do or ignore because of the hatred of the opposing party.

I don't know, being dishonest and not taking a stand against violence won the GOP all three branches of government.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Yesterday's election in Wisconsin was the first state-wide election since November. Wisconsin is known for being an independent-minded purple state, where no party has dominated.

Recent discussions and polls predicting a decline in support for Democrats have been proven incorrect by the results of yesterday's election in Wisconsin. A liberal judge won the statewide election by a 10% margin.

However, it is important for both Democrats and liberals to recognize that one statewide election does not necessarily indicate a significant shift in favor of the Democratic Party since November. Similarly, Republicans should be cautious about relying on polls to declare the Democratic Party as having lost support.

 

[JSRG]

Yesterday's election in Wisconsin was the first state-wide election since November. Wisconsin is known for being an independent-minded purple state, where no party has dominated.

Recent discussions and polls predicting a decline in support for Democrats have been proven incorrect by the results of yesterday's election in Wisconsin. A liberal judge won the statewide election by a 10% margin.

However, it is important for both Democrats and liberals to recognize that one statewide election does not necessarily indicate a significant shift in favor of the Democratic Party since November. Similarly, Republicans should be cautious about relying on polls to declare the Democratic Party as having lost support.

There is a bigger reason why I think this election doesn't mean much in terms of forecasting future elections.

At first glance, it's easy to think "wow, a statewide election with that strong of a victory in a swing state? This is terrible news for Republicans!" But the problem is that while Wisconsin is a swing state, for some reason this hasn't shown up in the recent Wisconsin Supreme Court elections, though it has in the other statewide races.

In the presidential elections of 2020 and 2024, the gubernatorial election of 2022, and the Senate elections of 2022 and 2024, the results were all close. Several wins were by less than 1%, and the biggest win was the gubernatorial election in 2022 where the Democrat won by about 3%. There were even multiple cases where, in the same election, one race went to the Republicans and one went to the Democrats!

Now let's look at the last few Wisconsin Supreme Court elections in comparison. In 2020--only half a year before Biden only barely beat Trump--the liberal (Democrat-backed) candidate for the Supreme Court smashed the conservative (Republican-backed) one by about 10%. In the next Supreme Court election in 2023, the again liberal candidate smashed the conservative one by about the same amount (slightly more). And now in 2025, we see... the liberal candidate beat the conservative one by about 10%.

For whatever reason, the pattern of voting in the Wisconsin Supreme Court elections in the last 5 years have been very different than those of other statewide offices. Why? I'm not sure, but whatever the reason is, it seems clear that Supreme Court elections in the state aren't representative of how all the other statewide elections go.

 

[Fantine]

There is a bigger reason why I think this election doesn't mean much in terms of forecasting future elections.

At first glance, it's easy to think "wow, a statewide election with that strong of a victory in a swing state? This is terrible news for Republicans!" But the problem is that while Wisconsin is a swing state, for some reason this hasn't shown up in the recent Wisconsin Supreme Court elections, though it has in the other statewide races.

In the presidential elections of 2020 and 2024, the gubernatorial election of 2022, and the Senate elections of 2022 and 2024, the results were all close. Several wins were by less than 1%, and the biggest win was the gubernatorial election in 2022 where the Democrat won by about 3%. There were even multiple cases where, in the same election, one race went to the Republicans and one went to the Democrats!

Now let's look at the last few Wisconsin Supreme Court elections in comparison. In 2020--only half a year before Biden only barely beat Trump--the liberal (Democrat-backed) candidate for the Supreme Court smashed the conservative (Republican-backed) one by about 10%. In the next Supreme Court election in 2023, the again liberal candidate smashed the conservative one by about the same amount (slightly more). And now in 2025, we see... the liberal candidate beat the conservative one by about 10%.

For whatever reason, the pattern of voting in the Wisconsin Supreme Court elections in the last 5 years have been very different than those of other statewide offices. Why? I'm not sure, but whatever the reason is, it seems clear that Supreme Court elections in the state aren't representative of how all the other statewide elections go.

You are proposing that Trump and Musk aren't factors. No one except those sleeping under a rock could fail to notice the peril that is befalling not only ourselves but our beloved children and grandchildren.
To try to rebuild the necessary programs they're demolishing--to enrich themselves--will be like NOLA trying to rebuild after Katrina.

 

[JSRG]

You are proposing that Trump and Musk aren't factors. No one except those sleeping under a rock could fail to notice the peril that is befalling not only ourselves but our beloved children and grandchildren.
To try to rebuild the necessary programs they're demolishing--to enrich themselves--will be like NOLA trying to rebuild after Katrina.

Except you don't offer evidence that they were factors, other than apparently the fact you think they're really bad.

Yes, the media, especially national media tried to talk it up as a "referendum" on Trump and Musk, but there doesn't seem to be much of an indication they had much to do with this loss. The loss in this election was about by the same percentage as in the 2023 and 2020 Supreme Court elections, and I rather doubt that what Donald Trump and Elon Musk are doing in 2025 had an effect on those elections (remember, while Trump lost Wisconsin in 2020, it was a very close election, showing he did have a lot of support).

Now, I can't read minds, so maybe a whole lot of people were angry about Musk and Trump. But if so, it sure didn't show up in the campaign ads. I live in Wisconsin and was inundated with those things. The main arguments that were made in the ads against Brad Schimel were attacks on him for being extreme on abortion, attacks on him for doing a bad job as attorney general, and attacks on him for bad rulings as a judge. I don't think I saw Trump mentioned in a single attack ad. Elon Musk showed in a few, but not many and he was generally mentioned more in passing (I think I saw more ads criticizing Bad Schimel for being supported by the anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony List than I saw ads criticizing him for being supported by Elon Musk).

 

[Fantine]

Except you don't offer evidence that they were factors, other than apparently the fact you think they're really bad.

Yes, the media, especially national media tried to talk it up as a "referendum" on Trump and Musk, but there doesn't seem to be much of an indication they had much to do with this loss. The loss in this election was about by the same percentage as in the 2023 and 2020 Supreme Court elections, and I rather doubt that what Donald Trump and Elon Musk are doing in 2025 had an effect on those elections (remember, while Trump lost Wisconsin in 2020, it was a very close election, showing he did have a lot of support).

Now, I can't read minds, so maybe a whole lot of people were angry about Musk and Trump. But if so, it sure didn't show up in the campaign ads. I live in Wisconsin and was inundated with those things.

Friend's son who helped approve the Alzheimer's drug lost his job yesterday. Along with three of my cousin's adult children. High school seniors (children of friends) can't file FAFSA because the website is non functioning. The financial aid people at the colleges can't assume they'll get grants or loans.
An innocent person in our town was picked up by ICE.
Our IRA's have been trashed.
I imagine there might be a misanthrope or two who couldn't--with no effort--name at least a dozen people Trump and Musk have devastated.
Half of them can only blame themselves...but they are moving forward. Hence the Wisconsin win and the close elections in the 70% Trump districts.
I don't blame Trump. I blame my friends and neighbors for their poor judgment and lack of foresight.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

There is a bigger reason why I think this election doesn't mean much in terms of forecasting future elections.

At first glance, it's easy to think "wow, a statewide election with that strong of a victory in a swing state? This is terrible news for Republicans!" But the problem is that while Wisconsin is a swing state, for some reason this hasn't shown up in the recent Wisconsin Supreme Court elections, though it has in the other statewide races.

In the presidential elections of 2020 and 2024, the gubernatorial election of 2022, and the Senate elections of 2022 and 2024, the results were all close. Several wins were by less than 1%, and the biggest win was the gubernatorial election in 2022 where the Democrat won by about 3%. There were even multiple cases where, in the same election, one race went to the Republicans and one went to the Democrats!

Now let's look at the last few Wisconsin Supreme Court elections in comparison. In 2020--only half a year before Biden only barely beat Trump--the liberal (Democrat-backed) candidate for the Supreme Court smashed the conservative (Republican-backed) one by about 10%. In the next Supreme Court election in 2023, the again liberal candidate smashed the conservative one by about the same amount (slightly more). And now in 2025, we see... the liberal candidate beat the conservative one by about 10%.

For whatever reason, the pattern of voting in the Wisconsin Supreme Court elections in the last 5 years have been very different than those of other statewide offices. Why? I'm not sure, but whatever the reason is, it seems clear that Supreme Court elections in the state aren't representative of how all the other statewide elections go.

Your analysis of Wisconsin's election is very good.

Wisconsin elections are often decided by small margins. As a Wisconsinite, I appreciate our independent thinking and voting patterns over the past 50 years. Most statewide elections are won by 1-4%, except for the last two Supreme Court elections.

The election results from Tuesday show that the liberal judge won by a 10% margin, and simultaneously, the requirement for Voter ID law also passed by a 10% margin.

Recent wins by liberal judges in the last two elections are due to extreme gerrymandering, which benefits Republicans. No other state had such severe gerrymandering. Democrats could win 56% of the vote and still be in the minority, which most Wisconsin voters oppose. This dissatisfaction is why liberal judges have won recently and may continue winning as long as Republicans push unfair maps.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Democratic Party insiders dismayed after DNC meeting goes off the rails in 'Titanic'-style anti-Trump forum​

Democrats have signaled concerns over leadership as the Trump administration continues to push forward with reducing government spending​

 

[rambot]

I think it's SOOOOOO cute that outsiders think that Democrats are tanking because they aren't "responding to the violence against a bunch of cars".

Their numbers are tanking because they arent' fighting hard enough against Trump and the administration. Trump supporters think everyone is on their side. Now there is a dellusion.