Deliverance from demons

[Sequel]

From 25 years of deliverance ministry, it appears that there are demon spirits in everyone. There are very few churches and pastors that incorporate deliverance as part of their ministry and the needs for the congregation is so great, that next to salvation and communion with the Holy Spirit -deliverance from demonic spirits inside a person is the next urgent need.

Most deliverance ministry conduct deliverance by prayers and it become very sad to see how people 'will pray' for the brethren. I attended a BMF meeting wherebys a pastor said it was God's will that He take his baby girl! There were spirits all over his face!

Deliverance should be seriously studied and made a part of a church's ministry. Often it is brought up that demons cannot be in the body of a Christian - I have seen this proven wrong many times. Simply, the hospitals are full of Christians! What would it take to wake up the non-Holy Spirit people in the church. People needing deliverance from demonic spirits do not have time to do lengthy prayers and fasting when their bodies are being attacked? The church leaders should put themselves in their shoes and then gage the proper course of action.

We have placed our trust in medical science; but, there is no science that can prove the existence of anything that is spirit! It is time to depart failed arguement/flawed docrtine and seek truth that is shown in the bible.

The deliverance ministry that I have worked with does not charge money for deliverance, but seek to teach people how to do scriptural deliverance with the God authority and powers given in the bible. The nonsense from young people in message posts do not give justice to what is really happening. Most of the criticisms our group receive are from the clergy, who have no idea how the Holy Spirit and angels and the word of God can defeat demonic spirits! It is time for strong people to take a stand.

Peace be with you,

 

[Lifesaver]

Hmmm...

Okay, we ought to pray that any demons be gone from any person they might be infesting.

Buuut... this tactic is so greatly abused by so many dishones pastors that I don't think demonic posessions happen at all.

And you are not equating disease with demons, are you?

 

[USincognito]

Bob Larson? Is that you?

 

[gaijin178]

I guess that I have never heard of this before. I do remember when I was a Christian someone telling me a story of someone who was keen at seeing deamons and going into a church. While in the church, he could see demon spirits floating about the non-believers, proving that they are everywhere. I don't know if this is true or some tactic for those to be scared.

In peace.

 

[ChrisB]

A retired pastor (who I greatly respect), once stated during a sermon that in a ministry which emcompassed his entire adult life (including a time as a psychiatric hospital chaplain) he had only encountered one genuine case of demon posession. I believe that to say that everyone (believers included) is posessed is a gross exaggeration and potentially dangerous. The OP also concerns me for it's apparent anti-medical viewpoint. God has given us medicine and surgeons to heal our illnesses, we should use them and thank Him for them

 

[Isaiah 53]

I agree with Chris! Let me also add that it is impossible for a member of the Body of Christ to be indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God and a demon! Demons fear and flee the presence of God!

PEACE IN CHRIST!!

 

[Routerider]

I agree with Chris! Let me also add that it is impossible for a member of the Body of Christ to be indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God and a demon! Demons fear and flee the presence of God!

PEACE IN CHRIST!!

Then demons can't be anywhere since God is present everywhere.

 

[Routerider]

From 25 years of deliverance ministry, it appears that there are demon spirits in everyone. There are very few churches and pastors that incorporate deliverance as part of their ministry and the needs for the congregation is so great, that next to salvation and communion with the Holy Spirit -deliverance from demonic spirits inside a person is the next urgent need.

Most deliverance ministry conduct deliverance by prayers and it become very sad to see how people 'will pray' for the brethren. I attended a BMF meeting wherebys a pastor said it was God's will that He take his baby girl! There were spirits all over his face!

Deliverance should be seriously studied and made a part of a church's ministry. Often it is brought up that demons cannot be in the body of a Christian - I have seen this proven wrong many times. Simply, the hospitals are full of Christians! What would it take to wake up the non-Holy Spirit people in the church. People needing deliverance from demonic spirits do not have time to do lengthy prayers and fasting when their bodies are being attacked? The church leaders should put themselves in their shoes and then gage the proper course of action.

We have placed our trust in medical science; but, there is no science that can prove the existence of anything that is spirit! It is time to depart failed arguement/flawed docrtine and seek truth that is shown in the bible.

The deliverance ministry that I have worked with does not charge money for deliverance, but seek to teach people how to do scriptural deliverance with the God authority and powers given in the bible. The nonsense from young people in message posts do not give justice to what is really happening. Most of the criticisms our group receive are from the clergy, who have no idea how the Holy Spirit and angels and the word of God can defeat demonic spirits! It is time for strong people to take a stand.

Peace be with you,

I thought long and hard on this one, here's my response...after much meditation:

 

[Isaiah 53]

Then demons can't be anywhere since God is present everywhere.

While God's omnipresence is not in question here, it is a good question. God is all present at all times, but has allowed Satan to be the prince of this world. He has allowed him some limitations.

Satan cannot however be immediately present with God Himself in the believer. When we place our faith in Christ, God indwells us personally. 'A house divided cannot stand'.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!

 

[marc37]

I to have had the displeasure of meeting demons in my past and see many people suffer from their influence on them ,once I was in need of an exorcism
and went to my priest he sad;"I dont believe in the devils appearance on earth, go see your docter he knows what to do''
Daily life and science have made people blind not only to the existence of God but also to the evil that is watching us.
By meditation and belief I opened a channel in myself for communication
with higher beings a few years ago I made contact.
People tend to believe the most obvious and dont want to be confronted with the fact that so much more is out there.

keep on spreading the word.
God bless your open mind!!!

 

[Boanerge]

When we feel Joy happiness liberation peace, we have a "taste" of What God is all about...

But when we feel emptiness and void, pain and suffering, oppression depression, sickness disease, hatred anger, Laziness and stubborness, we have a "taste" of what is Not God. So if it is not God then what is it?

 

[marc37]

Satan and his dark angels spreading their hatred and doubt among the living
trying to corrupt Gods creation one day hoping to get powerfull enough to rule heaven
When it spoke to me it spoke in plural[kill your brother he is ready to join US]
I figure Satan is feeding on fallen souls to become a collective powerfull enough to storm the gates of heaven.This is just a thought of mine but I think It could be so.

 

[engiin]

I guess that I have never heard of this before. I do remember when I was a Christian someone telling me a story of someone who was keen at seeing deamons and going into a church. While in the church, he could see demon spirits floating about the non-believers, proving that they are everywhere. I don't know if this is true or some tactic for those to be scared.

In peace.

It's not the non-believers that attract the demons. The demons like to hover around the saintly, the believers, the priests, etc..because that's who they're after. That's why you hear all these stories about priests and molestation in the news. If you follow those stories you'll realise that demons make a special target of holy men. The biggest demon of all, Satan, hung around the greatest purity on earth, Jesus, trying and testing him. That, I figure, is the demons job. That is, if we're to give all God's creatures a purpose in the universe.

 

[marc37]

If it hangs around holy men why did he come for me Im a sinner

 

[engiin]

If it hangs around holy men why did he come for me Im a sinner

Look at it this way, the demons go looking for holy men, the sinner goes looking for demons.

 

[Boanerge]

I want to add that we can blame God for the Joy we feel, but we should only accuse God for being the provider of that joy. Because we reached out for that joy through faith and being christ-like. Things that if we didn't do, we wouldn't have that joy.

Same, we can not blame God for emptiness, we can only blame God as the being that when absent causes emptiness. But actually we can not blame Him at all for giving such things. it is our lack of searching for God and being unholy that brought about that emptiness.

We can not have joy without God. and we can not say we are completely bameless for the emptiness we happen to feel. Therefore we can not blame God for anything.

So it is like saying you Go to the Father and the Father goes to you. But if you do not go to the Father then the Father stays and waits until you decide to go to Him.

The understanding that we need to Go to Him is brought about through the Holy Spirit, and The ability to actually Go to Him is brought about through our Lord Jesus Christ. and the blessings that we recieve because of our repentance is brought about through the Father.

So when you are empty and you go to God. He "Delivers" you from that emptiness by Him being a part of your life.

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But i believe the topic at hand is not the metaphorical meaning of Evil and Demons (Emptiness Void Formlessness and Chaos etc) but the Physical meaning of Demons.

In a sense i believe that through the metaphorical meanings we are able to extract the physical meanings.

Although non-believers dwell in the presence of these metaphorical meanings and try to make sense of them; it is true that those who are capable of reflecting plenty of the metaphorical demons more strongly are christians. Because we know what it is to be without God. But the Physical expression of Demons is brought about by our decison, as christians, to stray away from God. And when we do return to Him, we begin to see things we didn't know were there, i.e. the reactions of demons to the rebuke by the Word of God.

For example, the Atom.

When an atom is at ground state, it can get excited, and then upon return to ground state, there is a physical flash of light.

So Every Christian in the Presence of the Lord is in "Ground State". our straying away, through disobedience, laziness etc, is expressed in this analogy as the application of fire to the atom. making them enter an "Excited state". You can't really see anything at this stage, but molecules moving chaotically. Then when they get prayed for, and want to return to thier previous state, something happens, which i call the "physical expression of light" that you didn't know was there. After which we enter the stage of rest, back to our ground state.

for the sake of this analogy, There are different kinds of Light and therefore different kinds of expressions. Some people cry, Some people fall back, some people dance in the spirit, and some people express a great amount of resistance- these are what we call demons, Or deliverance from demons, or cleansing of sins- the phsyical expression of these things, much like that emittion of light which escapes from an atom.

But at this point the analogy ends. Because there is more to this that the Atom analogy is not able to put together. But i use this analogy to see, some what, the things that go on in our spiritual aspects of this life.

The fallacy of the analogy is my inversed use of terms. Where Fire means Holy Spirit, i used Fire to mean falling away; Where Cold means being away from God, i used cold to be our ground state; and Where the Excited state means being active in the Lord, i used it to mean falling away. The reason being is that i wanted to show what happens when one is rebuked- and the return of an atom to ground state helps express that. this was my focus of the analogy.

Although the analogy helped me understand a certain aspect of life, its not the best analogy to grasp ALL aspects of life, but don't let this prohibit you from achieving some of the truth that i tried my best to portray. Maybe some day I'll have a far better analogy.

To conclude demons do not manifest themselves for no reason, Just like rust does not appear on iron for no reason. And therefore we must ask God for a better understanding of these things so we do not fall victim of it. And when we do, to help us understand how to return back to the presence of the Lord.

 

[marc37]

I have to tell you that in my darkest hour came the most beautiful experience a man
can have;after i think it was 3 days[ time slipped me]I realized That if satan exists God also exists suddenly A bright light only I could see and it cleansed me.
allas the day after it came back it was fixated on my damnation.
In the end it all ended well and I have become a better man warned and informed aware of the existence of God and the certainty of the afterlife knowing I have a mission to wake mankind and gif birth to true faith again. INGODS NAME i WILL FIGHT TO MAKE THIS WORLD A BETTER PLACE AMEN.

 

[Boanerge]

Mark: "If it hangs around holy men why did he come for me Im a sinner"

Sometimes demons see the potential in us.. As a matter fact we ALL have potential and darkness wants to destroy that as soon as possible. They don't "destroy" it in that sense, but they try to make you NOT use your potential for good. Which is the soul purpose of our potential, which can overcome evil, and the reason darkness fears it.

If your life is perfect and without suffering, then demons are not interested in you since you are not really using your potential for what it is for. But it is the opposite case of an active christian that is constantly in action against demons. Which we do not fear because we have our well sharpened sword, the Word of God to overcome. Some people who live good lives, can be thankful for those who suffered in great prayer for you to live a good life. "God bless America" is one of those prayers.

 

[Routerider]

Demons hang around those who believe in them.

 

[Sequel]

From many deliverance of demons, a demon is the unsaved soul of a dead person. Thus is where the 'unclean spirit of the bible emerges from. Once they leave their body, they 'seek' a living body to incarnate. The main reason is to regain their 'sensory perceptions'. They can live again in the physical world.

Many famous TV personalities have stated they are fallen angels, nephilin, etc... they are wrong. Their entry has nothing to do with what you do and don't do.

Peace be with you,