Defintion

[Lillen]

Within math x is definied as a unknowned constant, that doesn't mean we cannot redefine it to a unknown variable. The same way, evolution is defined as the survival of the fittests in everyday language. That doesn't mean we cannot redefine it as the survival of the basic instincts!

 

[AV1611VET]

Within math x is definied as a unknowned constant, that doesn't mean we cannot redefine it to a unknown variable.

You need something to equate it to, though.

You can not just say 4x=?, solve for x.

You need something to equate it to; such as 4x=8, solve for x.

The same way, evolution is defined as the survival of the fittests in everyday language. That doesn't mean we cannot redefine it as the survival of the basic instincts!

Again though, if you are going to change:

evolution = survival of the fittest

... to:

evolution = survival of the basic instincts

... you are going to need a multiplier, so the equation looks like this:

evolution × ? = survival of the basic instincts

To put it another way:

survival of the fittest × ? = survival of the basic instincts

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Within math x is definied as a unknowned constant, that doesn't mean we cannot redefine it to a unknown variable. The same way, evolution is defined as the survival of the fittests in everyday language. That doesn't mean we cannot redefine it as the survival of the basic instincts!

I think that would be what is caklled in logic a "stipulative definition" where one stipulates a certain meaning. However they need not relate to ordinary language, and I suppose to be practical must serve some purpose. Just saying "I define evolution as such anc such" is a bit pointless, because in the theory of evolution there is I suppose a theoretical deinition (which is a techincal definion in the context of a theory) which comes as standard in conversations about the topic. Imagine in we took Einsteins "E=MC^2" and said "I define ^2 as ^3 (squared as cubed)" - what would be the point? So unless you have a point in redefining evolution, or perhaps want to explore a concept, why bother?

 

[acropolis]

You can define a word to mean whatever you'd like, but it won't necessarily have anything to do with reality.

 

[Freodin]

Err... X usually is used (not defined) as a variable, not as a constant. So what the heck are you talking about again?

 

[AV1611VET]

Err... X usually is used (not defined) as a variable, not as a constant. So what the heck are you talking about again?

Variable / constant -- what's the difference?

 

[Lillen]

Like avvet pointed out, 3+x=5. if i have something to equate with it is a constant... thats first grade math...

Within math, first grade math, we have defined x as a constant while in junior high were we read equations it is defined as a variable. 3+x=5, x is a constant. xy+5=z, xyz are all variables.

If we move further to highschool math we also see that things are defined at some matters. For instance we have been taught that the derivate is defined as lim h->0 f(x+h)-f(x)/h were the limit lean to 0. But that doesn't mean we can't redefine the limit to lean against 2 so that f(x+2)-(x)/2. In both cases it is defined that f(x+h)-f(x)/h = f'(x) (which is prounanced in swedish "f prim x") nomatter it leans against 0 or 2. But that definition can also be redetermained so that f(x+h)-f(x)/h = f(xy).
After that we need to set up a set of rules and arguments. We announce rules beyond a certain defintion and determinations. The rules that has been decreed right now is that the derivate of:
f(x)=5x^5
f'(x) = 5*5x^4

But that doesn't mean we cant decree other rules in contrast to the ordenary in math so that the derivate of 5x^5 = x^(5+5)

Math is like anything else, determined, defined and a setup of rules.

In the same manners when we go to evolution, the survival of the fittest has been defined, and later set up rules for it. That doesn't mean we can't redefine evelution to the survival of the less fit, and set up rules that adult with primitive instinct are more likley to reproduce! After that a series of arguments can be set forth to back up the rules.

The point is, mathematicians define math, and evolutionist define evolution. Science can really, honestly take a hike.

 

[acropolis]

Constants do not change, variables can change.

 

[Lillen]

And if 2+x has something to equate with such as five, x will always be a constant...

 

[The Paul]

Well, given 3 + x = 5...

You can then go forward and speculate whatever you like about x, you can define it as anything at all...

But x is 2.

You can call it something else if you want. All it means is you're wrong.

 

[Lillen]

Thats another way to see it... but given the right answer it is a constant...

 

[CabVet]

Since every organism is here because their ancestors survived, "survival of the fittest" is not a very good definition for evolution. The best definition for evolution is descent with modification.

 

[acropolis]

Thats another way to see it... but given the right answer it is a constant...

The right answer can also change. The right answer to "What is the current temperature outside?" will change constantly, but is no less correct for being variable.

 

[Lillen]

I invented an alphabet

Andre, Karl, Lillen, Emo, Mina, Mena, Erema, ckama, sema, xel, feno. bara, zima, labra, konos, åro, libra, tro , xime, nima, rema, cebra, dale, game, ine, mana, heno, elo, zobre, okono.

The diffrent characters is valued to poetical amount, such as Gods Love, Five talents, and mercy from heaven, and so on.

The diffrent letters is defined as the above names. And guess what, it was I, solemnly, in solitude, I who defined it. Now i need to come up with some words too.

And guess what the words will be I who define them!

 

[AV1611VET]

And guess what the words will be I who define them!

QaQ vum!

 

[CabVet]

QaQ vum!

If your response is related to her message (and not a sarcastic comment, I can't quite tell), you are light years ahead of me!

 

[AV1611VET]

If your response is related to her message (and not a sarcastic comment, I can't quite tell), you are light years ahead of me!

I told him, "Good work!" in Klingon.

 

[Upisoft]

And if 2+x has something to equate with such as five, x will always be a constant...

That's true until you get out of kindergarten math and start finding solutions to more complex equations, say quadratic....

 

[CabVet]

I told him, "Good work!" in Klingon.

Haha, I always forget to look at icons here (both gender and religion), will have to make this a habit.

 

[Lillen]

Can someone help me translate my toungs i wrote down in http://www.christianforums.com/t7624079/ ?