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[woman.at.the.well]

ETHICS (according to American Heritage dictionary):

1. 1. A set of principles of right conduct.
   2. A theory or a system of moral values: "An ethic of service is at war with a craving for gain" (Gregg Easterbrook).
2. ethics (used with a sing. verb) The study of the general nature of morals and of the specific moral choices to be made by a person; moral philosophy.
3. ethics (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The rules or standards governing the conduct of a person or the members of a profession: medical ethics.

MORALS (according to the American Heritage dictionary as well):

1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.
5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.
6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty

[Middle English ethik, from Old French ethique (from Late Latin ēthica, from Greek ēthika, ethics) and from Latin ēthicē (from Greek ēthik&#275, both from Greek ēthikos, ethical, from ēthos, character; see s(w)e- in Indo-European roots.]


Just wanted to make sure that everyone who posts in this forum -- understands what ethics and morals ARE. From a literal definition and stand point that is.

Commense shredding of the literal meanings . . .

 

[Voegelin]

To add to it:

Foundational Norms for Christian Ethics

 

[Pepperoni]

Errr . . . wait a minute here . . .

Isn't morality technically a Biblical principle? Doesn't this violate our First Amendment rights to never see or hear anything even remotely related to Christianity???

 

[Voegelin]

OK to invert Christian ethics and morality, tho, Pepperoni--to declare expressions of them are "hate speech". Nietzche suggested this tactic. The faith could not be defeated on revelation, he wrote, therefore it should be taught that Christian virtues are evil.

Hmmm.....I wonder who does this....Who could it be??? . Could it be...nah....that would be "hate speech" to say that . . .

 

[woman.at.the.well]

Errr . . . wait a minute here . . .

Isn't morality technically a Biblical principle? Doesn't this violate our First Amendment rights to never see or hear anything even remotely related to Christianity???

that's what i thought . . . glad you brought that up pep. good point.

 

[woman.at.the.well]

To add to it:

Foundational Norms for Christian Ethics

although i was raised a jr. catholic (lutheran) and don't practice that religion anymore - in reading this link i would have to say that's very accurate description of what i always understood Christian Ethics to be.

 

[woman.at.the.well]

OK to invert Christian ethics and morality, tho, Pepperoni--to declare expressions of them are "hate speech". Nietzche suggested this tactic. The faith could not be defeated on revelation, he wrote, therefore it should be taught that Christian virtues are evil.

Hmmm.....I wonder who does this....Who could it be??? . Could it be...nah....that would be "hate speech" to say that . . .

 

[The Nihilist]

Errr . . . wait a minute here . . .

Isn't morality technically a Biblical principle? Doesn't this violate our First Amendment rights to never see or hear anything even remotely related to Christianity???

No. Morality is found in every single culture in the world. Also, Voegelin, Nietzsche wasn't suggesting that Christian morality should be called evil, he was saying that it is, as a matter of fact, detrimental to the continuance of human life and the preservation of the species.

 

[Voegelin]

Same thing. He wanted the faith gone. For the good of mankind. What good did Nietzche or those who built on his train of thought ever do? None. Inspirational reading, sure--for 14 year old boys. They all like Nietzche. Unfortunately, some never grow out of that like.

 

[Pepperoni]

. . . Morality is . . . detrimental to the continuance of human life and the preservation of the species.

Not following that logic.

 

[The Nihilist]

Same thing. He wanted the faith gone. For the good of mankind. What good did Nietzche or those who built on his train of thought ever do? None. Inspirational reading, sure--for 14 year old boys. They all like Nietzche. Unfortunately, some never grow out of that like.

Isn't this when you normally just say that all atheists are responsible for the Holocaust?


Pepperoni, Nietzsche's argument is that all aspects of Christian morality are designed to undercut the animal instincts we possess. Lust, greed, selfishness, and so on are all good for the one who possesses them. They make him stronger and more sexually productive. Christian abstinence and asceticism, just for starters, tend to make a man weak and prevent him from having offspring. Additionally, attempting to read the words of God in the everyday tends to make men neurotic, which only serves to make humanity more feeble.
If Voegelin can provide any answer to what I've said without citing some atrocity of the 20th century, I'll eat my hat.

 

[woman.at.the.well]

Not following that logic.

below explanation I'm still not following as well pep. Don't feel alone.

 

[The Nihilist]

below explanation I'm still not following as well pep. Don't feel alone.

Where's your hang-up? Nietzsche's position is that Christianity is bad for the survival of the human species, for the reasons I listed above. It cuts into the intincts that preserve us, it detracts from our instincts to sexually reproduce, to become strong, and to place our needs above others. What Christianity has produced, according to Nietzsche, is a human herd that needs to be thinned out.