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Definition of evil

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Annoula said:
i would like to ask what is the definition of evil in everyone's religion, faith, philosophy.

Hi, Annoula! :)

I'm a Baha'i, and am happy to provide the Baha'i understanding of this!

What follows is from the Baha'i scriptures.

Best,

Bruce
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Chapter 74: THE NONEXISTENCE OF EVIL


The true explanation of this subject is very difficult. Know that beings are of two kinds: material and spiritual, those perceptible to the senses and those intellectual.

Things which are sensible are those which are perceived by the five exterior senses; thus those outward existences which the eyes see are called sensible. Intellectual things are those which have no outward existence but are conceptions of the mind. For example, mind itself is an intellectual thing which has no outward existence. All man’s characteristics and qualities form an intellectual existence and are not sensible.

Briefly, the intellectual realities, such as all the qualities and admirable perfections of man, are purely good, and exist. Evil is simply their nonexistence. So ignorance is the want of knowledge; error is the want of guidance; forgetfulness is the want of memory; stupidity is the want of good sense. All these things have no real existence.

In the same way, the sensible realities are absolutely good, and evil is due to their nonexistence—that is to say, blindness is the want of sight, deafness is the want of hearing, poverty is the want of wealth, illness is the want of health, death is the want of life, and weakness is the want of strength.

Nevertheless a doubt occurs to the mind—that is, scorpions and serpents are poisonous. Are they good or evil, for they are existing beings? Yes, a scorpion is evil in relation to man; a serpent is evil in relation to man; but in relation to themselves they are not evil, for their poison is 264 their weapon, and by their sting they defend themselves. But as the elements of their poison do not agree with our elements—that is to say, as there is antagonism between these different elements, therefore, this antagonism is evil; but in reality as regards themselves they are good.

The epitome of this discourse is that it is possible that one thing in relation to another may be evil, and at the same time within the limits of its proper being it may not be evil. Then it is proved that there is no evil in existence; all that God created He created good. This evil is nothingness; so death is the absence of life. When man no longer receives life, he dies. Darkness is the absence of light: when there is no light, there is darkness. Light is an existing thing, but darkness is nonexistent. Wealth is an existing thing, but poverty is nonexisting.

Then it is evident that all evils return to nonexistence. Good exists; evil is nonexistent.




Some Answered Questions, pp. 262-263.

 
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Unitarian Universalists have no quick doctrine-based answers to explain evil, pain and suffering, and the fact that life can be hellish at times. For all our optimism, most of us acknowledge there is a broken, fragmented or fallen side to humanity, and in each of our lives. While we admit the existence of this negative side of life, we try not to give in to it.

You will find many UUs involved in efforts to make this a more just, peaceful, sane and livable world at local, national and global levels. We strive to act and think in ways that will allow all humans to reach their potential.

And even if we cannot explain why people suffer, we can try to help them when they do.

Shalom.
 
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BruceDLimber said:
Hi, Annoula! :)

I'm a Baha'i, and am happy to provide the Baha'i understanding of this!

What follows is from the Baha'i scriptures.

Best,

Bruce
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that was very interesting. thank you.

so if i understand correctly evil is the non existance of a good quality.

there is no some kind of universal evil, like the devil for example.

but how does your faith view for example the killing of people.
if i kill a person (innocent or not), what will your faith say?

i am giving this example cause i think it's really bad.
 
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Annoula said:
hello all,

i would like to ask what is the definition of evil in everyone's religion, faith, philosophy.

i have some things on my mind on how Christianity views evil, and i would like to see if they coincide with everybody else's.

Christians are also welcome of course.

thanx.

I would say that;
evil is a lack of empathy
 
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Annoula said:
so evil is for UU a negative side of life?

trying to understand...
Well, we have no devil or satan or demons to blame evil on. Evil acts come from humans and we recognize that all are capable of evil - just as we are all capable of great goodness.
 
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There is no solid and definitive version of Evil, in Buddhism.
Everything is subject to perceptions and conditioning....
To suffering due to Desire and unwholesome attachment, or clinging....
Nothing or nobody can be described as pure Evil, because nothing is...
it is only our perception that makes it so....
 
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Annoula said:
i would like to ask what is the definition of evil in everyone's religion, faith, philosophy.

My Asatru faith doesn't exactly provide a definition of evil per se, though one could (probably) roughly equate evil with "chaotic", counteracting the High Gods' work to create and keep order in the universe.

My personal, and not too religious, definition of "evil" is roughly "whatever causes suffering without a very good reason".
 
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No Tocis, my friend, you'd have to be more specific than that....


How about the dog that bites you? Does he have a reason?
If none is apparent, does that therefore make him evil?

Everything has motive. But that doesn't make it evil, it just makes it pre-meditated...
There will always be 'labels' to evaluate and discriminate...
remove the label, and you're obeserving non-descript phenomena.... but one cannot judge or determine what something is, without first knowing all sides of the situation....
 
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The definition is pretty much the same for Objectivism and the Fellowship of Reason's Eudaimonism.

An organism's life is its standard of value: that which furthers its life is the good, that which threatens it is the evil.
-- Ayn Rand

More specifically, for we human beings:

That which is proper to the life of a rational being is the good; and that which negates, opposes or destroys it is the evil.
-- Ayn Rand

The "evil" is what acts against this:

Man—every man—is an end in himself, not a means to the ends of others; he must live for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself; he must work for his rational self-interest, with the achievement of his own happiness as the highest moral purpose of his life.
-- Ayn Rand
 
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faith guardian said:
I would say that;
evil is a lack of empathy
That probably has to be the best and most concise definition of evil I've ever heard. It also seems to agree with the Baha'i explanation, and so far I can't quite think of any situation where it wouldn't apply.
 
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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05649a.htm
from article said:
Evil, in a large sense, may be described as the sum of the opposition, which experience shows to exist in the universe, to the desires and needs of individuals; whence arises, among humans beings at least, the sufferings in which life abounds. Thus evil, from the point of view of human welfare, is what ought not to exist. Nevertheless, there is no department of human life in which its presence is not felt; and the discrepancy between what is and what ought to be has always called for explanation in the account which mankind has sought to give of itself and its surroundings. For this purpose it is necessary (1) to define the precise nature of the principle that imparts the character of evil to so great a variety of circumstances, and (2) to ascertain, as far as may be possible, to source from which it arises.

With regard to the nature of evil, it should be observed that evil is of three kinds -- physical, moral, and metaphysical. Physical evil includes all that causes harm to man, whether by bodily injury, by thwarting his natural desires, or by preventing the full development of his powers, either in the order of nature directly, or through the various social conditions under which mankind naturally exists. Physical evils directly due to nature are sickness, accident, death, etc. Poverty, oppression, and some forms of disease are instances of evil arising from imperfect social organization. Mental suffering, such as anxiety, disappointment, and remorse, and the limitation of intelligence which prevents humans beings from attaining to the full comprehension of their environment, are congenital forms of evil each vary in character and degree according to natural disposition and social circumstances.

By moral evil are understood the deviation of human volition from the prescriptions of the moral order and the action which results from that deviation. Such action, when it proceeds solely from ignorance, is not to be classed as moral evil, which is properly restricted to the motions of will towards ends of which the conscience disapproves. The extent of moral evil is not limited to the circumstances of life in the natural order, but includes also the sphere of religion, by which man's welfare is affected in the supernatural order, and the precepts of which, as depending ultimately upon the will of God, are of the strictest possible obligation (see SIN). The obligation to moral action in the natural order is, moreover, generally believed to depend on the motives supplied by religion; and it is at least doubtful whether it is possible for moral obligation to exist at all apart from a supernatural sanction. Metaphysical evil is the limitation by one another of various component parts of the natural world. Through this mutual limitation natural objects are for the most part prevented from attaining to their full or ideal perfection, whether by the constant pressure of physical condition, or by sudden catastrophes. Thus, animal and vegetable organisms are variously influenced by climate and other natural causes; predatory animals depend for their existence on the destruction of life; nature is subject to storms and convulsions, and its order depends on a system of perpetual decay and renewal due to the interaction of its constituent parts. If animals suffering is excluded, no pain of any kind is caused by the inevitable limitations of nature; and they can only be called evil by analogy, and in a sense quite different from that in which the term is applied to human experience. Clarke, moreover, has aptly remarked (Correspondence with Leibniz, letter ii) that the apparent disorder of nature is really no disorder, since it is part of a definite scheme, and precisely fulfills the intention of the Creator; it may therefore be counted as a relative perfection rather than an imperfection. It is, in fact, only by a transference to irrational objects of the subjective ideals and aspirations of human intelligence, that the "evil of nature" can be called evil in any sense but a merely analogous one. The nature and degree of pain in lower animals is very obscure, and in the necessary absence of data it is difficult to say weather it should rightly be classed with the merely formal evil which belongs to inanimate objects, or with the suffering of human beings. The latter view was generally held in ancient times, and may perhaps he referred to the anthropomorphic tendency of primitive minds which appears in the doctrine of metempsychosis. Thus it has often been supposed that animal suffering, together with many of the imperfections of inanimate nature, was due to the fall of man, with whose welfare, as the chief part of creation, were bound up the fortunes of the rest (see Theoph. Antioch., Ad Autolyc., II; cf. Genesis 3 and 1 Corinthians 9). The opposite view is taken by St. Thomas (I, Q. xcvi, a. 1,2). Descartes supposed that animals were merely machines, without sensation or consciousness; he was closely followed by Malebranche and Cartesians generally. Leibniz grants sensation to animals, but considers that mere sense-perception, unaccompanied by reflexion, cannot cause either pain or pleasure; in any case he holds the pain and pleasure of animals to be parable in degree to those resulting from reflex action in man (see also Maher, Psychology, Supp't. A:, London, 1903).
tulc(got to go do some driving, be back later!)
 
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Annoula said:
hello all,

i would like to ask what is the definition of evil in everyone's religion, faith, philosophy.

i have some things on my mind on how Christianity views evil, and i would like to see if they coincide with everybody else's.

Christians are also welcome of course.

thanx.

Evil is any act done by a mentally sane human being that is devoid of love, kindness and compassion.
 
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AlexandraB said:
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that

"Evil is a willful lack of empathy?"

One can lack Empathy without being Evil....
Actually yeah, I was thinking sort of along the same lines, something like an intentional lack of empathy. It had only just occured to me after my last post.
 
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raffster said:
Evil is any act done by a mentally sane human being that is devoid of love, kindness and compassion.

Yes, but we must be Mindful about defining an action as evil, as opposed to labelling the perpetrator as evil.
Not saying or suggesting we've done that, but the intital question was how our different belief systems define evil...

Ok, back to my chocolate bar... it's wicked!! :thumbsup:
 
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Hmm. Good question.

Very, very loosely, I regard "evil" as action (or lack of action) which does harm; and "good" as that which heals.

To my mind there's a lot of grey area about it. Cancer treatments, for instance, harm in order to heal; are they good or evil? Likewise, killing a person harms by ending their life, yet may sometimes be unavoidable, arguably even necessary, under certain circumstances (e.g., if I must save my own life by taking another's, is that good or evil?).

I don't look at evil or badness or whatever as being ultimately derived from or caused by a sinister supernatural being. I think that shifts too much responsibility away from humanity, which is quite capable of horrendous evil without having to blame some external force for it. On the flip side, I don't know that it's necessary to credit an ominipotent, all-good being for anything positive that humans might achieve - I think we're capable of both great good and great evil, as well as great mediocrity.

That explanation's probably clear as mud, huh. ;)
 
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