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What does that mean, "look beyond the corporeal"? How does one actually do that?
But couldn't it be a hidden "I don't want to know" as in, fear?Yes, exactly, a god for that which is unknown. I think maybe you're starting to understand. There are those who "plug in" to their own personal beliefs as an attempt to assuage fears and doubts of the unknown (as evidenced by all myths/religions having explanations for the afterlife!).
As mentioned earlier, it takes much courage to declare, "I don't know."
Jesus claimed to be that religion. Arrogance is despising others, I don't despise them, I just believe that what Jesus said was true.One can be arrogant in claiming that they know which religion is the truth while all others are false.
An Immortal, Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient God isn't comparable to Santa Claus, the FSM, the IPU or anything else not Immortal, Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient. Sorry, but I surmise that perhaps this is what most atheists do just to trivialize the concept of God so they can easily dismiss him. Anyone who does this has clearly not understood the concept of God beyond that portrayed in a cartoon. Perhaps they should think a bit more deeply on such things. If indeed they want to. Nothing personal, just this terminology is everywhere.Does it take courage to believe in Santa Claus?
As in look beyond created things and acknowledge the Creator, who has expressed Himself through them.What does that mean, "look beyond the corporeal"? How does one actually do that?
You shouldn't assume that agnostics/atheists haven't examined the "concept" of god. Agnoticism/atheism is often a result of having examined the "concept" of god, and was found to be lacking, or unsupportable.But couldn't it be a hidden "I don't want to know" as in, fear?
Jesus claimed to be that religion. Arrogance is despising others, I don't despise them, I just believe that what Jesus said was true.
An Immortal, Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient God isn't comparable to Santa Claus, the FSM, the IPU or anything else not Immortal, Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient. Sorry, but I surmise that perhaps this is what most atheists do just to trivialize the concept of God so they can easily dismiss him. Anyone who does this has clearly not understood the concept of God beyond that portrayed in a cartoon. Perhaps they should think a bit more deeply on such things. If indeed they want to. Nothing personal, just this terminology is everywhere.
As in look beyond created things and acknowledge the Creator, who has expressed Himself through them.
An Immortal, Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient God isn't comparable to Santa Claus,
Really all one has do is claim they are and it is so. You have as much luck disproving that as you would god. The reason is the idea of god that's commonly used is unfalsifiable and thus equal to claims like fairies and boogie men. When you use the word "spiritual" your really say that i should believe some effect or cause that that cannot be perceived or reproduced or measured. In other words it might as well not exist.the FSM, the IPU or anything else [is] not Immortal, Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient.
the bible does that already. Look at how different god is from the ot to the new testemate. in the ot he is quite human in his actions. he hates, gets anger, kills, is vengeful etc... where in the nt he is a perfect transcendent being.Sorry, but I surmise that perhaps this is what most atheists do just to trivialize the concept of God so they can easily dismiss him.
read the bible. really read it. I think gorge Carlin said it best and i will let his words to the talking at this point. Its too easy.Anyone who does this has clearly not understood the concept of God beyond that portrayed in a cartoon.
I can look at things as much as i want. I can keep telling myself over and over that its god. someday i may even believe that, but i could do that with anything and convince myself. I could say that the world was created by faeries and as a human if i told myself this day in and day out, devoted a day to pray to these faeries etc... i would believe it as would most people.As in look beyond created things and acknowledge the Creator, who has expressed Himself through them.
An Immortal, Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient God isn't comparable to Santa Claus, the FSM, the IPU or anything else not Immortal, Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient. Sorry, but I surmise that perhaps this is what most atheists do just to trivialize the concept of God so they can easily dismiss him. Anyone who does this has clearly not understood the concept of God beyond that portrayed in a cartoon. Perhaps they should think a bit more deeply on such things. If indeed they want to. Nothing personal, just this terminology is everywhere.
As in look beyond created things and acknowledge the Creator, who has expressed Himself through them.
Amen catzrfluffy.Comparing santa clause or any fictional character to God is common for them. Thats their choice until repentance or Philippians 2:9-11. Whichever comes first.
actually i don't mind. I would like it even better if you find a way to make god unfalsifiable setting him aside form that whole pile of stuff that can never be falsifiedBut don't dare say anything contrary to what they believe.
comparing god to other fictional characters is quite easy. thy both roughly have the same evidence in their favor.
No remember Timmy, in order to get presents you have to die first and believe Santa exists when you where alive. if you don't he will send you coal. Why? just because he can. He gets angry when you don't believe he exists on faith alone.
Has santa changed millions of lives for the better for thousands of years? Has santa inspired some of the most beautiful and powerful songs(millions) known to man, if you walk in the spirit? Has santa inspired powerful, ground shaking and life altering messages from the pulpit week AFTER WEEK? Does santa draw you into his precence with such an overwhelming peace when worshiping him? Has santa inspired literally shelves upon shelves of books about him and his word? Does santa have a word? Does santa grant you an inexpressable joy ALL year round? Is there a book on santa that will stand FOREVER, regardless if you accept it or not? Are there noted miracles performed because of santa? Was santa seen walking on water? Does santa offer the gift of salvation? Does santa make the calim that he created everything. Did santa die for you?
As in look beyond created things and acknowledge the Creator, who has expressed Himself through them.
An Immortal, Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient God isn't comparable to Santa Claus, the FSM, the IPU or anything else not Immortal, Eternal, Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient. Sorry, but I surmise that perhaps this is what most atheists do just to trivialize the concept of God so they can easily dismiss him. Anyone who does this has clearly not understood the concept of God beyond that portrayed in a cartoon. Perhaps they should think a bit more deeply on such things. If indeed they want to. Nothing personal, just this terminology is everywhere.
you know, I think i would believe in god if he would pay my bills. Really if you can document god doing anything within a thousand years i really would like to hear it. hell lets make it 3000 years.Has santa changed millions of lives for the better for thousands of years?
I think sex inspired more hands down. also what are you trying to say about Christmas songs?Has santa inspired some of the most beautiful and powerful songs(millions) known to man, if you walk in the spirit?
I dont go to church very often but when i do i wish i had a gun so i could shoot myself.Has santa inspired powerful, ground shaking and life altering messages from the pulpit week AFTER WEEK?
Christains are very good at architecture. I like Gothic cathedrals. I get chills when i am in them. But that's art/architecture at work. I dont get that feeling in boring churches. Sometimes i get a stuffy feeling. If people expect to feel god in church they will. The effect is profound but such effects can be achieved in sugar pills.Does santa draw you into his precence with such an overwhelming peace when worshiping him?
yes and do movies count?Has santa inspired literally shelves upon shelves of books about him and his word?
depends are we talking about elves or humans?Does santa have a word? Does santa grant you an inexpressable joy ALL year round?
nope. but immortal books exist. and the bible is not the only one. So whats your claim? that becuse the bible survived as a book it shows gods existence? does that mean Beowulf exists? Or that Gilgimesh exists?Is there a book on Santa that will stand FOREVER, regardless if you accept it or not?
Of course. he can transform time and space, he doesn't burn, and he knows when you are naughty and nice.Are there noted miracles performed because of santa?
Why is it important that god kills himself? He could have simply forgiven mankind at Eden if he was all loving. And why did god have to die? Its quite theatrical but god makes the rules right? so god could have easily preformed a gesture that did not involve sacrificing his son who was also somehow himself... yeah that's another odd problem anyway...Did santa die for you?
Has santa inspired powerful, ground shaking and life altering messages from the pulpit week AFTER WEEK?
Feel free to say whatever you want. Your statements will stand or fall based on veracity. If you ever espouse bullpoop, don't surprise when someone points it out.Amen catzrfluffy.Comparing santa clause or any fictional character to God is common for them. Thats their choice until repentance or Philippians 2:9-11. Whichever comes first.
But dont dare say anything contrary to what they believe.
Amen catzrfluffy.Comparing santa clause or any fictional character to God is common for them.
Thats their choice until repentance or Philippians 2:9-11. Whichever comes first.
comparing god to other fictional characters is quite easy. thy both roughly have the same evidence in their favor.
No remember Timmy, in order to get presents you have to die first and believe Santa exists when you where alive. if you don't he will send you coal. Why? just because he can. He gets angry when you don't believe he exists on faith alone.
Has santa changed millions of lives for the better for thousands of years? Has santa inspired some of the most beautiful and powerful songs(millions) known to man, if you walk in the spirit? Has santa inspired powerful, ground shaking and life altering messages from the pulpit week AFTER WEEK? Does santa draw you into his precence with such an overwhelming peace when worshiping him? Has santa inspired literally shelves upon shelves of books about him and his word? Does santa have a word? Does santa grant you an inexpressable joy ALL year round? Is there a book on santa that will stand FOREVER, regardless if you accept it or not? Are there noted miracles performed because of santa? Was santa seen walking on water? Does santa offer the gift of salvation? Does santa make the calim that he created everything. Did santa die for you?
And this has what to do with the fact that we are comparing them on the basis of being historical figures?
I hate to break it to you, but Mohammed also changed millions of lives for the better, he united the middle east into a Caliphate that lasted centuries and ascended to become one of the most culturally and technologically advanced cultures for its time.
I think you are funny. Notice all you can do is sidetrack us to the issue of whether or not God exists. You seem to have a hard time addressing the voluminous evidence supporting evolutionary theory.
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Because they have an equal quantity of empirical evidence of ever existing
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Yes... bask in your own righteous superiority. We all disagree with you on the subject of the world's origins, therefore we are filthy heathens... Continue imaging those silly evolutionists burning in Hell fire, things like this make you look really Christ-like.
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No, we just ask you not to inflict us with such deliberate stupidity.
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And this has what to do with the fact that we are comparing them on the basis of being historical figures?
Mohammed is dead, Jesus is alive.laconicstudent
I hate to break it to you, but Mohammed also changed millions of lives for the better, he united the middle east into a Caliphate that lasted centuries and ascended to become one of the most culturally and technologically advanced cultures for its time.
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I think you are funny. Notice all you can do is sidetrack us to the issue of whether or not God exists. You seem to have a hard time addressing the voluminous evidence supporting evolutionary theory.
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All you need is faith, for without it its IMPOSSIBLE to please God.
[bible]1 Peter 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: [/bible]
The joy I experience is truly unspeakable, just like it says. Weird huh?
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You disagree that "in the beggining God created"?
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A number of verses come to mind when I read your posts as well as great pride and arrogance and a total lack of the fruit of the Spirit.
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If you really are a Christian? Heres one.[bible]John 12:43 "For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God."[/bible]
Its no wonder you misunderstand the Bible. If you read it? For you put words in my mouth that I never spoke. In EVERY reply you have made to me. I have NEVER imagined ANYONE in Hell, for when I consider the WORST part of it,(Hell that is) I would not wish it on my worst enemy. The worst part being the absence of God. And anyone going there is not the fault of mine or God's, thats their own doing. God provided the way out. John 3:16
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My , is that you spoken of again in the bible?
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Mohammed is dead, Jesus is alive.
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Again , puting your words in my mouth. If God's process of creation is what you call evolution (Though I HIGHLY DOUBT macro)then I have no problem with that. The fact is I KNOW GOD EXISTS, I will live and die with that belief and NO ONE and nothing can take that away.
that's really strange. why? why would a omni god care if i believed in god before actually seeing vs after? this is clearly a human construction. A loving god would not be so petty (but humans would)..
All you need is faith, for without it its IMPOSSIBLE to please God.
I know what you mean, when i sword fight and make art its like i am alive. NO really i know exactly how you feel and i don't need god to feel it.The joy I experience is truly unspeakable, just like it says. Weird huh?
really i want to send him a postcard whats his address? Jesus his dead but his ideas still go on. Is that what you mean? if thats the caswe Mohammad is also alive.Mohammed is dead, Jesus is alive.
I dont want to take it from you. But realize the pulpit is the worse place to start most things from, such as science or politics or voting.Again , puting your words in my mouth. If God's process of creation is what you call evolution (Though I HIGHLY DOUBT macro)then I have no problem with that. The fact is I KNOW GOD EXISTS, I will live and die with that belief and NO ONE and nothing can take that away.
The argument is based on the eye witness accounts contained in the new testament bible, and the prophecies contained in the old testament. All the apostles saw the risen Christ, when they were together and also some of them seperately, and so did more than five hundred of the believers at the same time.Larger fonts don't make for convincing arguments.
Without faith we cannot please God, but it doesn't mean He doesn't love you, He wants you to be saved.that's really strange. why? why would a omni god care if i believed in god before actually seeing vs after? this is clearly a human construction. A loving god would not be so petty (but humans would).
Wait a minute, we know the modern portrayal of Santa Claus came mostly out of Hollywood, and that he was based upon the historical figure of St. Nicholas. God, however, is a timeless concept, common throughout all ages. The way Jesus is portrayed has been the same way He portrayed Himself, and the apostles testified to, since He walked this earth. On the evidence for God, I will know there is no point in wasting further time on those who are willingly ignorant; I leave the last word to God:I notice your defense is mostly based on how christiany makes you feel. So are you admitting that God is equal to all things unfalsifiable? another poster said it well
"Because they have an equal quantity of empirical evidence of ever existing."
The argument is based on the eye witness accounts contained in the new testament bible, and the prophecies contained in the old testament. All the apostles saw the risen Christ, when they were together and also some of them seperately, and so did more than five hundred of the believers at the same time.
It must pass two criteria before I will believe it:Btw, you didn't answer my earlier question as to whether you believe in Shiva, Zeus, Odin, Ra, Quetzalcoatl, and/or Apocatequil.
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