Defining Satan Properly - Why Satan is Good

Al, in post#11 you ask "please tell us why". Your theories do not come from scripture, they violate the kiss principal, and they only produce another form of godliness w/o the power to produce the fruits of the Spirit, healing the sick and casting out demons. If you are going to ignore my answers, stop asking.

timewerx said:

Paul claims to be a Pharisee from which you are quoting , from one of his epistles - Colossians.

Jesus clearly told in John 8:44 we have different fathers.

Because if we are all sons of the father of Jesus regardless of the circumstances, none will perish and all will be saved, including the devil.

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If there is more than one Father, we have not yet met the God of the Universe. I am going by scripture in total, as one single book. If we don't do this, we need to then divide the authors we agree with from the one we don't believe. There can only be one first Son of God described by Colossians. He is Adam, the Father of humanity if we are strictly looking at the Bible. If we want to speculate, then there are many other documents we could consult, such as the Kore Kosmou fragment from Egypt, or the Corpus Hermeticum. Any of the Gnostic scriptures would also give you another view, with our Lord as a Demiurge.

Bottom line is this: we really don't know.

As for using scripture for what it says, we find a perfect parallel in the Hindu writings of the Upanishads, Gita, Tao and Dhammapada. They tell you what the Lord is. Ego and Conscience. No contradictions with these witnesses. They describe the mystery of the Bible in plain language. The Bible veils the mystery. If you say Yeshiva university, or Shiva (Spirit), or sabbath of seven days, or seven angels of the churches as Shiva, you are speaking the same Shiva as the Spirit in the Bible. The Jews know this.

In Hebrew, Shiva means the same as it does to the Hindus. There is a Trinity of Father, Mother Son to them, just as there is the same with us. Babel.

Satan is the Mind as an accuser. No more.

single eye said:

Al, in post#11 you ask "please tell us why". Your theories do not come from scripture, they violate the kiss principal, and they only produce another form of godliness w/o the power to produce the fruits of the Spirit, healing the sick and casting out demons. If you are going to ignore my answers, stop asking.

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Nothing complicated about showing the answer in its simplest form. Healing the sick is overcoming the accuser and the need for the conscience. This is repeated throughout scriptures. A clear conscience is the goal from Colossians 1 and so many other scriptural references. Yahweh is the source of the Law. He is the adversary. He accuses throughout scripture.

Oh yes....he also made Satan. Don't forget that detail.

single eye said:

Al, in post#11 you ask "please tell us why". Your theories do not come from scripture, they violate the kiss principal, and they only produce another form of godliness w/o the power to produce the fruits of the Spirit, healing the sick and casting out demons. If you are going to ignore my answers, stop asking.

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After post 11, you never responded until just now. What was your answer? Please provide scripture references, as I do, in your replies.

AlephBet said:

If there is more than one Father, we have not yet met the God of the Universe. I am going by scripture in total, as one single book. If we don't do this, we need to then divide the authors we agree with from the one we don't believe. There can only be one first Son of God described by Colossians. He is Adam, the Father of humanity if we are strictly looking at the Bible. If we want to speculate, then there are many other documents we could consult, such as the Kore Kosmou fragment from Egypt, or the Corpus Hermeticum. Any of the Gnostic scriptures would also give you another view, with our Lord as a Demiurge.

Bottom line is this: we really don't know.

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Actually we're about to find out. The Demiurge is the closest hypothesis to what can be objectively verified through science at least from observable phenomenon.

Some of the things on Earth in an objective and scientific fashion, are the reflection of things above (beyond Earth, beyond the Solar System, etc). The image of what is above us.

I have recently found that image. The answer is incredibly disturbing to say the least. We missed it because we let our feelings and emotions rule over logic.

There's nothing wrong with feelings and emotions unless you let it rule over you.

But I cannot give the answer to your thread. I'll make another thread for it soon.


Science is the one to reveal the truth in this age, not another book that was misplaced and lost for thousands of years and then found.

Al, The Spirit of Truth, Jesus, the saints, and the scripture THEY produced is what we are to believe, understand, and apply if we want the power to produce the fruits of the Spirit, healing the sick and casting out demons. Anyone who does not have this power only has another form of godliness and the truth is not in them. Adding more useless information to scripture is counter productive, raises more questions than it answers. A clear vilation of the kiss principle.

Time, The book that was lost and now is found,the AOJ, is more scientifically advanced than any of your modern technology science could ever hope to be. Watch & learn.

single eye said:

Time, The book that was lost and now is found,the AOJ, is more scientifically advanced than any of your modern technology science could ever hope to be. Watch & learn.

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So tell me, if we are created in the image of Yaltabaoth, what is that image?

What is the nature of this image which implicates the malevolence of Yaltabaoth?


Science explains this perfectly which can be directly observed. The pattern is repeated at multiple scales from the Universe itself, to celestial bodies, to our own bodies, microscopic cells, subatomic particles and if there's anything even smaller than that.

The behavior of this image produces the same outcome whether it's the Universe or a Galaxy or a microscopic organism which is death.

It might seem meaningless to you but it means everything in how we should run our lives. The ignorance of this is what causes man to follow the instincts of his father - Yaltabaoth and murder his only home - Earth.


Hosea 4:6
my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests.....

From AoJ:
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Knowledge is what leads to perfection and sets us free. The knowledge of everything, not just in religion.

timewerx said:

So tell me, if we are created in the image of Yaltabaoth, what is that image?

What is the nature of this image which implicates the malevolence of Yaltabaoth?

Science explains this perfectly which can be directly observed. The pattern is repeated at multiple scales from the Universe itself, to celestial bodies, to our own bodies, microscopic cells, subatomic particles and if there's anything even smaller than that.

The behavior of this image produces the same outcome whether it's the Universe or a Galaxy or a microscopic organism which is death.

It might seem meaningless to you but it means everything in how we should run our lives. The ignorance of this is what causes man to follow the instincts of his father - Yaltabaoth and murder his only home - Earth.


Hosea 4:6
my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests.....

From AoJ:
[FONT=&quot]), it is handed over to the authorities, who came into being through the archon, and they bind it with chains and cast it into prison, and consort with it until it is liberated from the forgetfulness and acquires knowledge. And if thus it becomes perfect, it is saved."[/FONT]

Knowledge is what leads to perfection and sets us free. The knowledge of everything, not just in religion.

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I have read the Gnostics. Specifically, we are told that the creation of the Demiurge was a shadow of the true Pleroma. We get this fact as Eve refined in the image. Sophia is part of this as well. She is Wisdom from trials. All of the story the Gnostics knew can be understood from the pages of the Upanishads. While the Gnostics were gleaning from the field like Ruth, they lacked the message of salvation by truth. How? They doubted God is good. Their vision of God is the same vision an Atheist has of Yahweh. Jesus is Yahweh made new, which is the entire reason we are here being refined in a shadow (copy) of heaven (true Pleroma).

Hebrews 9

23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

For the Son to rise fully human, he needed to become our suffering, made into sin from one who knew no sin. It was willing, not rebellion. Once here, separated from God, it became rebellion. Yeast makes bread rise. It's the entire point. Sophia is Eve gleaning wisdom (Seed) from the field of Boaz (Guardian Cherub refined to Redeemer). Ezekiel 28 shows you the reason for the fall. The entire NT is the refinement of both Eve / Mary and Yahweh / Jesus.

We are their children--shadows of the image until we are transposed by the Priest back to the origin of all that is Good, True and Beautiful. We must be made holy to enter the true kingdom.

AlephBet said:

I have read the Gnostics. Specifically, we are told that the creation of the Demiurge was a shadow of the true Pleroma. We get this fact as Eve refined in the image.

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I'm sorry but this is not the answer I have found. You will not find it in any religious texts.

All religious references to it are very vague that there's a significant chance they're unrelated.

Only this time, in the last decade the answer was found by scientists which they thought was a normal process of nature.

But science tends to be blind when it comes to knowing what is right or wrong. They assume everything that happens in nature is good or even perfect. It only becomes bad when it directly affects our survival as a species which is biased don't you think?

Albert Einstein was spot on when he said: Science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind.


Only recently that science discovered that some of the major process of nature we know is a product of an ancient infection. Religion may have vaguely referenced it as the "fall of man" but science tells a completely different scenario which is show the likelihood that the bible for example is not telling us the truth.

With the many contradictions in the bible and how many teachings in it which contradicts real life results, I am not surprised at all.

The result of the infection and the cause? That's for another thread. But we are all literally made sick until now by an ancient infection. Revelations describe a point in time when healing will be brought to all nations It could be a reference to the sickness, it could also be something else.

AlephBet said:

Don't judge your perceived enemies. God is not an enemy; God created all things; God makes all things new. Keep this in mind as you read. Who is your accuser? Your Mind.

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Look in the mirror Pro 10:7 The memory of the just is blessed: but the name of the wicked shall rot. shall rot — literally, “be worm-eaten,” useless and disgusting. [JFB]
But the name of the wicked shall rot -The very name of the wicked is as offensive as putrid carrion. [CLARKE]

God created all things; God makes all things new. Keep this in mind as you read.

First, we need to identify who made Satan.

Genesis 3

3 The snake was more clever than all the wild animals Yahweh Elohim had made.

Son of God (Benai Elohim). Next, we need to know why ALL things ARE of God. Colossians 1 states that, "things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created for him and on account of him." It shows that the Father (invisible God) created all things for the benefit of the Son of God.

Realize that Yahweh made all things and an adversary (a prosecuting Angel of God) to represent evil. (Necessitated it by need).
Job 1:6 One day when the sons of Elohim came to stand in front of Yahweh, ha-Satan acting as the adversary came along with them.

Job 19:21-22 Have pity upon me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends; for the hand of God hath touched me. Why do ye persecute me as God,

In many places, we note that the ha-Satan is an adversary provided by God. Num 22:22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him.We get a hidden clue to this back in Genesis 2 and 3.

Zechariah 3:3 Then he showed me Joshua, the chief priest, standing in front of the Messenger of Yahweh. ha-Satan, acting as an adversary, was standing at Joshua’s right side to accuse him. 2 Yahweh said to Satan, “I, Yahweh, silence you, ha-Satan! I, Yahweh, who has chosen Jerusalem, silence you!

1Ki 11:14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.

Who is your adversary?
We often look for someone else to blame, even God. It can be humbling, even humiliating to look in the mirror and see the one who's doing you the most harm. We always have a choice. Sometimes that choice is hard, and we may not like it, but let's recognize that we do have a choice. So...Stop being your own worst enemy.

Timewerx writes "It might seem meaningless to you but it means everything in how we should run our lives". What is "it"?

single eye said:

How many agree with Al, satan is good? How many agree with timewerx, there is a good satan and an evil satan? How many, besides me, think they are both wrong?

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I didn't read this whole thread, but I'm thinking I agree with you single eye. Satan wasn't created as Satan but as Lucifer. He was supposed to be good. But evil was found to be in him, he lost his place in Heaven, and has been called Satan ever since. That's my belief.

Al in post#11 asks, "please tell us why". Al, when you decide to start paying attention to my answers I will be happy to answer your questions, until then, stop asking.

olderguy said:

I didn't read this whole thread, but I'm thinking I agree with you single eye. Satan wasn't created as Satan but as Lucifer. He was supposed to be good. But evil was found to be in him, he lost his place in Heaven, and has been called Satan ever since. That's my belief.

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Only one reference to Lucifer in the entire Bible and it's a mistranslation of a Hebrew word into Latin by Jerome. Isaiah 14 is the only place, and scholars agree it is not the correct translation of a fallen Babylonian King. Some translations use Satan. Again, the Hebrew word Helel.

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single eye said:

Timewerx writes "It might seem meaningless to you but it means everything in how we should run our lives". What is "it"?

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I did not tell the image in my reply, I know what it is but I have to ask you if you know.

The answer is found in science, actually it's a very recent discovery which has no apparent connection to religion whatsoever. However, I noticed it's relation against some of the accounts told by Jesus and our very origins and our real "father"

Scientists will likely hypocritically dismiss it to be just an evolution of the "survival of the fittest" thing - nothing evil while they develop cutting edge "weaponry" to defeat and eventually destroy it.

But God gifted me to see patterns. I have used it to a great effect at least in finding solutions to logical problems in automation and in developing my own technological innovations. I will tell you that the present state of nature is not perfect. In fact, even if you take man out of Earth, it is still miserably unsustainable. Even without man, nature will likely destroy itself also - we're only making it sooner. But the thing in nature which likely destroy everything is also the thing which created man. It's likely what Jesus was talking about in John 8 - you are doing the bidding of your "father". I figured out some pretty neat tricks but it's not yet time. I still have so many things to learn.

Time, Let me see if I understand you correctly. Jesus was baptized and we were told by The Spirit of Truth to listen to Him. He selected 12 disciples and trained them until His return to heaven and informed them that The Spirit of Truth would teach them the rest of what they needed to know before producing scripture. Now we need to wait for you to finish the job before we can know the truth that sets us free? So the entire world, up till now, has been in spiritual darkness waiting on you to elighten us? Is this what you want us to believe?

single eye said:

Time, Let me see if I understand you correctly. Jesus was baptized and we were told by The Spirit of Truth to listen to Him. He selected 12 disciples and trained them until His return to heaven and informed them that The Spirit of Truth would teach them the rest of what they needed to know before producing scripture. Now we need to wait for you to finish the job before we can know the truth that sets us free? So the entire world, up till now, has been in spiritual darkness waiting on you to elighten us? Is this what you want us to believe?

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The scripture they produced was corrupted over time.

But there was never a time the truth is hidden. The details that I will soon expose has manifested itself in many other ways since it began.

Even if I never expose this truth, a few people already knew it. I'm not here to enlighten anyone but to confirm what others have that has been burning inside of them.

Why most of humanity is like a parasite, a disease, a blight to this planet is because it's doing the will of its father.


Science now has solid proof of our father (true origins) that's why we are what we are today, the human nature which many are slaves to. It's not natural because it isn't the way it used to be a very long time ago. It's directly a symptom of a very ancient disease. This is something you can't just get rid off by detoxification as you constantly preach. We never got healed of this disease for it has figured out a way to completely fool our immune system.

While scientists seem not concerned by it, this ancient disease we are sick of is a significant threat to the survival of our own species. Fortunately, nature seems to winning in getting rid of it (in a thousand years of so, assuming everything goes the way it is), we will likely revert to our primal state. The dawn is almost upon us. You'll be alive to see it coming, you just will not remember our conversation!

Time, "the scripture they produced was corrupted over time". The scriptures in the nag hammadi library were buried prior to the launch of the bible-canon obsession, so how did they become corrupted exactly? Show me where I ever "preached detoxification". If detoxification is what you think I am about, then you have not been paying attention which is typical of mystics who think they are the ones with the special secret knowledge that the rest of us lack. DaVinci never demonstrated that he could heal the sick and cast out demons like Elijah, Jesus, and the saints so his opinions on matters of faith are no more significant than anyone else's.

single eye said:

Time, "the scripture they produced was corrupted over time". The scriptures in the nag hammadi library were buried prior to the launch of the bible-canon obsession, so how did they become corrupted exactly? Show me where I ever "preached detoxification". If detoxification is what you think I am about, then you have not been paying attention which is typical of mystics who think they are the ones with the special secret knowledge that the rest of us lack. DaVinci never demonstrated that he could heal the sick and cast out demons like Elijah, Jesus, and the saints so his opinions on matters of faith are no more significant than anyone else's.

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I can relate somewhat to what he is saying here about the 'disease' concept. Jesus said that he was the way, truth and life. No one gets to the Father (Aleph Bet) unless they come through the Word (Son). In Genesis, the flaming sWord protects the tree of life (DNA / Letters) before receiving eternal life.

He says that people know this. He is correct on this fact. Christ told us that his blood would cure our seed. Much of this is locked in the symbolism of the serpent's seed and woman's seed having enmity from Genesis 3.

Here is one example of people who know this story.

In the Christmas song, All He Wants for Christmas are His Two Front Teeth, we see the clues given to us to this story. Two front teeth is the letter Shin. Shin represents the eternal flame that does not consume the carbon / coal (Carbon is the mark of mankind -6 protons, 6 electrons, 6 neutrons). In the song, he says, "Sister Susie sitting on a thistle." Sister Susie is a NUN and she sits next to the Thistle (Sin). The thorn of crowns is sin on the head (Authority) of the Son. Until he was humbled, he could not sit with the Father to be trained directly. He then comes and teaches us as King. First, he is a Prophet. They a Priest (now). Then a King (to come).

Check the Letters (Father) below:



The NUN is on SIN. Until Sin is removed from the Authority of the Son, his seed is corrupted below. This is the division of Adam / Eve, with Eve being refined below.

As he says, people know this. They hide it in plain sight. Also, the Ghah is the 23 letter from ancient Hebrew. It is said by the Rabbis to have been absorbed into the Ayin (Eye). Symbolically, this is the Ghah (ALL LETTERS) into the mother's womb. Reaching the Tav (Plowman's Mark) allows seed to then be planted into the furrow that was plowed. This is rebirth. Each life is a furrow. You MUST be born again.

Again, I have unraveled this mystery by fulfillment of the verse I first listed. You doubt this as true, but the Bible clearly says that ALL things will be revealed on the last day. He also states that believers will be the ones to get to the Letters through the Son.

I have been here trying to show how this is happening in our day and age. Others, like our friend, have been seeing this as well. We are all part of the body of Christ below. WE are Christ's second coming. ALL of us are the body. The Head arrives at the end of the sixth day. We, who are many, are one loaf. We are ALL the Son. The Dove must descend with peace. He has not descended yet to bring holiness to us.

You can't know this until you do. My threads show you how this is true. Sin must be removed from the seed. People are judging me falsely here. I am simply farther ahead in my ability to read the symbols. Why? I have the Word and am now transcribing the letters. Once a person does this, they have new seed to plant above. The Bible makes this clear to us through the writings of Paul.

Your witness is in four forms. My words. The Bible (Word). A Christmas Song mistaken for a secular song. The Letters of the Father (DNA).

He is not entirely mistaken in his view. Listen to the song, then return to the letters (Father). You can't understand the Son (Self of all Men) until you get the Father and transcribe the letters. Get past the sWord to see clearly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWiiDxbk-A

Daniel 12

3 Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

Is it the time of the End? The Scroll is locked up in symbolism. To know, transcribe the Letters: Lexicon

Nothing God created is evil. It is all for a purpose. His will is done, even through those you perceive as enemies.