Defining Satan Properly - Why Satan is Good

[olderguy]

Only one reference to Lucifer in the entire Bible and it's a mistranslation of a Hebrew word into Latin by Jerome. Isaiah 14 is the only place, and scholars agree it is not the correct translation of a fallen Babylonian King. Some translations use Satan. Again, the Hebrew word Helel.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here, but you're wasting your time with me. Since I'm bored, I'm going to answer you. The KJV isn't the only translation to use Lucifer. Quite a few other translators use Lucifer too. The Jubilee Bible 2000 does, as well as Douay-Rheims, the Darby Bible, and a few others. However, Isaiah probably wasn't actually referring to Satan there. He was using an allegory. Big deal, that proves nothing.

I have to say something here. All of you who keep coming up with blatantly incorrect ideas and doctrines makes me understand why the Catholic Church only allows for the ideas of their clergy. Not that I'm Catholic because I disagree with a few of their ideas too. But at least they aren't wasting bandwidth on a thread that claims Satan is a good guy. I suppose you also think Hitler was a good man.

Once upon about 25 yarns ago people like you bothered me. But not no more.

 

[timewerx]

Show me where I ever "preached detoxification". If detoxification is what you think I am about, then you have not been paying attention which is typical of mystics who think they are the ones with the special secret knowledge

Getting rid of toxins from your body is the same as detoxification and you said it here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7865170-2/#post67014703

and here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7863929-5/#post66998934

and here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7859749/#post66898480

and here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7857341-9/#post66882517

and there's many more to list all of them...



You said quite a lot about toxins and getting rid of them.


What I know is not a mystery, it's science. I'm still gathering everything I need to eliminate everything that could place doubts in my hypothesis.


I even told you where you're at, but it seems you are oblivious to the facts and is entirely dependent on what others have to say instead of using your logic and forming your own hypothesis from your own observations.

We are gifted exceptional logic, not for understanding what others have to say but for forming our own conclusions so we can acquire knowledge on our own and to discern what others are saying.

I do not depend on anyone's writings. With logic alone, I have attained foreknowledge of the concepts presented in many religious writings. I did not learn about names but the more important things - the knowledge of good and evil.

 

[AlephBet]

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here, but you're wasting your time with me. Since I'm bored, I'm going to answer you. The KJV isn't the only translation to use Lucifer. Quite a few other translators use Lucifer too. The Jubilee Bible 2000 does, as well as Douay-Rheims, the Darby Bible, and a few others. However, Isaiah probably wasn't actually referring to Satan there. He was using an allegory. Big deal, that proves nothing.

I have to say something here. All of you who keep coming up with blatantly incorrect ideas and doctrines makes me understand why the Catholic Church only allows for the ideas of their clergy. Not that I'm Catholic because I disagree with a few of their ideas too. But at least they aren't wasting bandwidth on a thread that claims Satan is a good guy. I suppose you also think Hitler was a good man.

Once upon about 25 yarns ago people like you bothered me. But not no more.

You will need to get past a few points.

1) Yahweh made Satan.

2) The Son of God IS ALL, "things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together (Colossians 1)" ALL things were created in and through him. All means All--Satan included.

3) You must forgive Enemies. To get past Satan (accuser), he must be silenced. The Law is overcome with Love. The Law is our guardian and adversary / accuser.

What does Colossians 1 go on to say?

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—

Two things to overcome: Yahweh / Law / Ego to Rule and Satan / Accuser. Nothing I have state is outside of scripture.

You MUST forgive those you consider enemies. That's me, others on this forum and Satan himself. If you judge others, you literally judge yourself. YOU are the Son.

Of course the Father wants HIS Son to silence Satan and become holy. It's the point. God made nothing evil. Satan is not a person. Satan is the desire to rule over others, shed blood and judge. Who do you know from the Old Testament fitting this description? The Son of God / Lord / Yahweh. God makes ALL things new, including HIS Son.

You are a Son after you are a Child. So too was THE Son.

All means ALL.

 

[AlephBet]

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here, but you're wasting your time with me. Since I'm bored, I'm going to answer you. The KJV isn't the only translation to use Lucifer. Quite a few other translators use Lucifer too. The Jubilee Bible 2000 does, as well as Douay-Rheims, the Darby Bible, and a few others. However, Isaiah probably wasn't actually referring to Satan there. He was using an allegory. Big deal, that proves nothing.

I have to say something here. All of you who keep coming up with blatantly incorrect ideas and doctrines makes me understand why the Catholic Church only allows for the ideas of their clergy. Not that I'm Catholic because I disagree with a few of their ideas too. But at least they aren't wasting bandwidth on a thread that claims Satan is a good guy. I suppose you also think Hitler was a good man.

Once upon about 25 yarns ago people like you bothered me. But not no more.

Why do you suppose Jesus is called the Bright and Morning Star (Lucifer), also Lord Adonai? Was Yahweh Lord Adonai? Yes. One was fallen. One was risen. I explain this all in my signature. Read Zechariah 3. Joshua is Yeshua. ALL things are in and through the Son. All means all.

 

[WirSindBettler]

"When the devil comes at night to worry me, this is what I say to him: “Devil, I have to sleep now. That is God’s commandment, for us to work by day and sleep at night.” If he keeps on nagging me and trots out my sins, then I answer: “Sweet devil, I know the whole list. But I have done even more sin which is not on your list. Write there also that I have s**t in my breeches. Hang it around your neck and wipe your mouth on it.” Then, if he won’t cease to accuse me of sins, I say in contempt: “Holy Satan, pray for me.”"

-Martin Luther

 

[AlephBet]

Yeast makes bread rise. We are the bread. See link 2 below. Satan is the conscience. We are here to cleans the conscience in baptism.

1 Peter 3

19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

Who save us all? How?

Christ. Baptism.

Nothing we do. We ARE the baptism.

 

[single eye]

Timewex, your post#42, defending yourself and bashing me, is completely off-topic. The subject of this thread is defining satan properly-why satan is good. There is but one source for good and one source for evil and we are neither.

 

[AlephBet]

Good comes from the Father's will to give and receive. The will of the thief takes, which is the source of evil. The one who knew no sin became sin for us from the foundation. Yahweh became sin by willingly dividing himself above and below. The goal of this was to reproduce and raise children. The same can be said for why God allowed the Son to enter the lower realms of refinement. The point is to rule self by the will of God and not the thief. Free will was the goal, but will must be holy. We are made to rule.

1 Corinthians 5

21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

All of 1 Corinthians 5 is about being away from our true body.

5 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked.

As I stated in the Original post, Adam and Eve were Arum (Naked / no knowledge). The snake was Arummim (clothed / cunning / had knowledge).

Eve is below. That's us as humanity. Adam is above (Angel of the Lord). Each of us are rulers in training.

We are Him.

2 Timothy 2

11 Here is a trustworthy saying:
If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12 if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.

He cannot disown himself. Evil is temporary. Our will must abide in the Father's will to give. This is dying to self and recognizing God's authority. Seeing the self in others then allows us to know who we are. Love overcomes the law of the thief.

We can never identify Satan in anyone but our own self. The Son knows the same.

 

[single eye]

Timewerx writes, "you said quite a lot about toxins and getting rid of them". Wrong, I said quite a lot about eliminating toxins and deficiencies. If your going to characterize what I say don't leave out the most important part. "what I know is not a mystery, it is science." What I know about eliminating toxins and deficiencies is science also. "I even told you where your at". You have no idea where I am at, that you think you do is a presumptuos illusion. If you had the knowledge of good and evil as you claim, you would have the power to heal the sick and cast out demons, not just another form of godliness.

 

[timewerx]

Good comes from the Father's will to give and receive. The will of the thief takes, which is the source of evil.

The will to give and receive is also the will of the thief.

It's also the same concept followed by this world and in mysticism/occult.


The will of the true God is generosity - Parable of the workers in the vineyard. To give even absolutely without getting anything in return in this life or in the next.

 

[AlephBet]

The will to give and receive is also the will of the thief.

It's also the same concept followed by this world and in mysticism/occult.


The will of the true God is generosity - Parable of the workers in the vineyard. To give even absolutely without getting anything in return in this life or in the next.

Your view is incorrect. Ayin in Hebrew is the absence of content (nothing). The infinite totality of being is Ratzon. Bread of shame is relevant to this understanding. God gives only. He cannot take apart from giving again. He makes all things new. Suffering is easily seen from this understanding.

Reward ---------------> Suffering ----------------------->Reward
Take ------------------> Give ----------------------------> Receive

Taking reward causes suffering (the law of returns). If you smoke, you suffer diminished health. Suffering on purpose develops reward. If you workout in a gym, more health. If you work at a job, you feed the family. Sleep in too many times and you suffer loss of a job. In all cases, the simple symbol above shows the nature of giving and receiving. You cannot give anything you have not previously suffered / worked to gain. One exception is giving something you received, but you still suffer loss of the thing you give. The thief lives his life on the left in a cycle of debt production. The Saint lives on the right side of truth, developing surplus.

A family is best cared for by the Saint. The thief ends up on the side of the road with a cardboard sign. Take enough and debt catches up.

 

[timewerx]

Your view is incorrect. Ayin in Hebrew is the absence of content (nothing). The infinite totality of being is Ratzon. Bread of shame is relevant to this understanding. God gives only. He cannot take apart from giving again. He makes all things new. Suffering is easily seen from this understanding.

Reward ---------------> Suffering ----------------------->Reward
Take ------------------> Give ----------------------------> Receive

Taking reward causes suffering (the law of returns). If you smoke, you suffer diminished health. Suffering on purpose develops reward. If you workout in a gym, more health. If you work at a job, you feed the family. Sleep in too many times and you suffer loss of a job. In all cases, the simple symbol above shows the nature of giving and receiving. You cannot give anything you have not previously suffered / worked to gain. One exception is giving something you received, but you still suffer loss of the thing you give. The thief lives his life on the left in a cycle of debt production. The Saint lives on the right side of truth, developing surplus.

A family is best cared for by the Saint. The thief ends up on the side of the road with a cardboard sign. Take enough and debt catches up.

In the past, people took lands for themselves they didn't pay for or took by force.

So today, you have to give (work or pay) in order to benefit from the land that was stolen a long time ago.

So the fact is, you are working for thieves by upholding the "give and take principle"

This is why Jesus doesn't look down upon the poor as you do (Luke 6:20-26)

Before "the fall" everything was free. You can take a stroll and get fed at the same time. There were no carnivorous creatures that endangered life and no one to charge you for anything.

So you are upholding a principle that was a product of "the fall" and directly to blame for the cause of poverty around the world, not only to humans but all of creations on Earth.


You won't be able to sway me with words and symbols and names because I only care for the truth. I look at the world with open eyes with nothing (no words, no names, no symbols) to block my sights at the truth.

BTW, do you still get sick?