Define outside of time

[Syd the Human]

I read how theists say god exists outside of time, but what does that mean exactly?

Time is:

"1. the system of those sequential relations that any event has to any other, as past, present, or future; indefinite and continuous duration regarded as that in which events succeed one another.
2.
duration regarded as belonging to the present life as distinct from the life to come or from eternity; finite duration.
3.
(sometimes initial capital letter) a system or method of measuring or reckoning the passage of time:
mean time; apparent time; Greenwich Time.
4.
a limited period or interval, as between two successive events:
a long time.
5.
a particular period considered as distinct from other periods:
Youth is the best time of life."

Are you saying god exists outside of all events in life? What is the point of him then if he does not even exist in our dimension/universe whatever?

I think you can see why I am so confused.

 

[Chesterton]

I can't define it, but physicists generally agree that time started at the big bang, so they acknowledge that once upon a "time" there was no time. (Can't even put it in language without the baggage of the idea in it.) It's like asking "what is the universe expanding into"? Something, or nothing? Seems unanswerable scientifically. But our belief as theists is that God, having created spacetime, has to be outside of both time and place. No one knows when/where God is - His own "realm", His own unique set of dimensions I guess.

 

[Colter]

Eternity is timeless, God is Eternal and Infinite. The finite, relative to the infinite, experiences time consciousness.

Time is a consequence of the purpose of God for his created, finite beings of potential eternity. On paradise there is no time. In the material creations God is everywhere and every-when.

 

[Syd the Human]

Eternity is timeless, God is Eternal and Infinite. The finite, relative to the infinite, experiences time consciousness.

Time is a consequence of the purpose of God for his created, finite beings of potential eternity. On paradise there is no time. In the material creations God is everywhere and every-when.

Eternity is time, it does not have a beginning or end but it is time. That would mean if god is outside of everything that has, is, and ever will exist, what is the point of him?

"eter·ni·ty noun \i-ˈtər-nə-tē\
: time without an end

: a state that comes after death and never ends

: time that seems to be without an end
plural eter·ni·ties

Full Definition of ETERNITY

1
: the quality or state of being eternal
2
: infinite time <lasting throughout eternity>
3
plural : age 3b
4
: the state after death : immortality
5
: a seemingly endless or immeasurable time <an eternity of delays>"

Eternal is time

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[Colter]

Eternity is time, it does not have a beginning or end but it is time. That would mean if god is outside of everything that has, is, and ever will exist, what is the point of him?

"eter·ni·ty noun \i-&#712;t&#601;r-n&#601;-t&#275;\
: time without an end

: a state that comes after death and never ends

: time that seems to be without an end
plural eter·ni·ties

Full Definition of ETERNITY

1
: the quality or state of being eternal
2
: infinite time <lasting throughout eternity>
3
plural : age 3b
4
: the state after death : immortality
5
: a seemingly endless or immeasurable time <an eternity of delays>"

Eternal is time

"

I don't agree with the definition of eternity being a noun or time when it comes to the Absolute I AM.

The Trinity facilitates the Fathers escape from the inherent fetors of personality absolutism. The Sons of God do function in time. God the Supreme is God evolving in Time and Space.

 

[Tree of Life]

I'm not exactly sure what it would mean to exist outside of time. The Bible says that God is eternal. He is without beginning or end. He does not change.

The Bible also says that God is in complete control of time and history. God orchestrates time and advances time. His dominion endures in every generation.

If someone wants to say that God is outside of time I suppose they have some purpose in saying this and their meaning would depend upon their purpose.

 

[Syd the Human]

I don't agree with the definition of eternity being a noun or time when it comes to the Absolute I AM.

The Trinity facilitates the Fathers escape from the inherent fetors of personality absolutism. The Sons of God do function in time. God the Supreme is God evolving in Time and Space.

This makes no sense to me. Can you be less abstract in your explanation?

 

[Chesterton]

I think I also disagree with "time" being used in the definition of eternity because time is something measurable with numbers. Eternity is an idea, not a number. You can't divide infinity; mathematically it's undefined and meaningless, so it's not time.

 

[Colter]

This makes no sense to me. Can you be less abstract in your explanation?

It's an abstract topic because we live in time, we think and live sequentially. God is absolute, infinity doesn't have an end, can not be measured against anything. So as a concept we cannot really think of timelessness.

 

[Syd the Human]

I think I also disagree with "time" being used in the definition of eternity because time is something measurable with numbers. Eternity is an idea, not a number. You can't divide infinity; mathematically it's undefined and meaningless, so it's not time.

So the only parts time exists, in that things continue to exist from moment to moment, is when we are able to see it happen or something close to that? Just because the data itself is so vast we cannot measure it, does not mean it doesn't exist. Although personally it goes above my head to name all numbers in existence, I cannot say with 100% confidence that people in the future will not be able to do so. I have seen so many quotes from people in the past saying something cannot be done or is impossible or won't catch on, only to be shown to be wrong.

I don't think you can divide infinity because it includes all numbers. When you divide, you're doing it one at a time (unless you are talking about some higher level math where you can divide multiple numbers at the exact same time).

 

[Syd the Human]

I don't agree with the definition of eternity being a noun or time when it comes to the Absolute I AM.

The Trinity facilitates the Fathers escape from the inherent fetors of personality absolutism. The Sons of God do function in time. God the Supreme is God evolving in Time and Space.

It's an abstract topic because we live in time, we think and live sequentially. God is absolute, infinity doesn't have an end, can not be measured against anything. So as a concept we cannot really think of timelessness.

Define absolute in relation to god.

Yes, I agree infinity has no beginning or end, but according to the theory that god exists outside of time that is irrelevant...and doesn't make sense It's like saying, "He exists outside of all that has, is, and will exist because he is forever (which would be a form of time)."

 

[Davian]

I'm not exactly sure what it would mean to exist outside of time. The Bible says that God is eternal. He is without beginning or end. He does not change.

The Bible also says that God is in complete control of time and history. God orchestrates time and advances time. His dominion endures in every generation.

If someone wants to say that God is outside of time I suppose they have some purpose in saying this and their meaning would depend upon their purpose.

Their purpose, it would seem, would be apologetics. Their concept - "God" in this case - must be certain things, so words are created and added to their bible, so as to explain why their god should not be considered incoherent.

The problem is, if one does not presume meaning into words such as "timelessness", the concept remains incoherent.

 

[Colter]

Define absolute in relation to god.

Yes, I agree infinity has no beginning or end, but according to the theory that god exists outside of time that is irrelevant...and doesn't make sense It's like saying, "He exists outside of all that has, is, and will exist because he is forever (which would be a form of time)."

Absolute would be perfection in all phases of reality.

Time is a finite concept.

 

[Syd the Human]

Absolute would be perfection in all phases of reality.

Time is a finite concept.

But you are saying that god does not exist within reality since time is the measurement of something existing.

Time is a measurement of the existence of what is, if something exists outside of time then that it, whatever it is, is not part of existence.

 

[Colter]

But you are saying that god does not exist within reality since time is the measurement of something existing.

Time is a measurement of the existence of what is, if something exists outside of time then that it, whatever it is, is not part of existence.

The time status of God the Absolute is 0. His created beings who think sequentially are conscious of what we call time but its us that does the measuring, but we would be measuring the circle of Eternity, Infinity, where would we start on the circle and where would we stop to get a time measurement?

Remember, "within him we live, move and have our being."

 

[juvenissun]

I read how theists say god exists outside of time, but what does that mean exactly?

Time is:

"1. the system of those sequential relations that any event has to any other, as past, present, or future; indefinite and continuous duration regarded as that in which events succeed one another.
2.
duration regarded as belonging to the present life as distinct from the life to come or from eternity; finite duration.
3.
(sometimes initial capital letter) a system or method of measuring or reckoning the passage of time:
mean time; apparent time; Greenwich Time.
4.
a limited period or interval, as between two successive events:
a long time.
5.
a particular period considered as distinct from other periods:
Youth is the best time of life."

Are you saying god exists outside of all events in life? What is the point of him then if he does not even exist in our dimension/universe whatever?

I think you can see why I am so confused.

It simply means that God is not limited by time. if a domain is controlled by time, then God is outside that domain.

Think about time travel. It is pretty confusing. How about the past, the present and the future are all seen "at the same ""time""?" We said that may be a situation "out of" time.

 

[juvenissun]

But you are saying that god does not exist within reality since time is the measurement of something existing.

Time is a measurement of the existence of what is, if something exists outside of time then that it, whatever it is, is not part of existence.

If time defines a domain, then God can go in and go out of the domain. The Bible suggests an angel travels from the outside of time into the inside of time only take a few hours of earth's time.

 

[Syd the Human]

The time status of God the Absolute is 0. His created beings who think sequentially are conscious of what we call time but its us that does the measuring, but we would be measuring the circle of Eternity, Infinity, where would we start on the circle and where would we stop to get a time measurement?

Remember, "within him we live, move and have our being."

So the time in which he exists is at one place, which stands for nothing/means nothing? God exists in nothing/is nothing?


We cannot measure all of it, since it is so big, but we can measure sections of it.

That doesn't mean anything anyway, since god exists outside of existence and only in nothing.

The concept of nothing itself can be confusing, but based on what you said that is where god exists.

 

[Syd the Human]

It simply means that God is not limited by time. if a domain is controlled by time, then God is outside that domain.

Think about time travel. It is pretty confusing. How about the past, the present and the future are all seen "at the same ""time""?" We said that may be a situation "out of" time.

A being cannot control something within that something? If I am inside a machine, is it impossible to affect how that machine is run?

The existence of those people are still in time, they just went backwards in time. Unless they stopped existing for a time, and then came back into existence.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I read how theists say god exists outside of time, but what does that mean exactly?

Time is:

"1. the system of those sequential relations that any event has to any other, as past, present, or future; indefinite and continuous duration regarded as that in which events succeed one another.
2.
duration regarded as belonging to the present life as distinct from the life to come or from eternity; finite duration.
3.
(sometimes initial capital letter) a system or method of measuring or reckoning the passage of time:
mean time; apparent time; Greenwich Time.
4.
a limited period or interval, as between two successive events:
a long time.
5.
a particular period considered as distinct from other periods:
Youth is the best time of life."

Are you saying god exists outside of all events in life? What is the point of him then if he does not even exist in our dimension/universe whatever?

I think you can see why I am so confused.

It means that He exists on another plane or dimension of existence--(and yes, I know that sounds like a cheaper, mystical version of multiple universe theory, but without all of the math and hypotheses, etc. Well, you asked. )