Deer Hunting

[grace-2]

Dear Hunting at my house.. Dear, would you take the dog for a walk? It's a question, but really it means get up and take the dog out.

I like the deer . I like to watch them at play and eating out in the fields.

 

[PACKY]

I used to be a hunter, but have since quit, I find it odd that i called myself a christian and followed christs teachings of love peace and forgiveness but went out in gods forest and killed his creation!! "the spirit of the fruit is love, joy, peace,patience,kindness,goodness,faithfulness,gentleness and self control" would god approve of man made in his image killing and slaughtering his creation?, I often hear peopel say, god gave us dominion over all the creatures.. TRUE yet dominion means stewardship not murder and the taking of life,,,,, We as christians cringe when we think about the cruelty to dogs, cats, horses and the like but we think nothing of it when we head into the woods to hunt, kill and scare gods creation in the name of traditions and sport..then people use the excuse "i eat the meat" but the catcher is you dont have to hunt for meat!!!! you choose to, you choose to arm yourself and cause pain to one of gods creatures in the name of gathering food yet that is avery thinly veiled excuse for SPORT HUNTING, jesus preached a life of forgiveness love and kindness,,, How can we love of neighbor as ourselves when we cant even respect his creatures roaming his wilderness? this might sound harsh but it is my opinion and it comes from a former hunter who say the errors in my way.

 

[captlink]

This puts it in perspective:

Hunting, especially when conducted by a good shot with a good gun, is much more humane than raising animals for slaughter. I respect nature enough to realise that beef cattle are a huge drain on resources, and that they live short lousy lives, whereas deer grow up in harmony with the environment and, if not hit by cars or caught in traps, generally have quite pleasant lives. Deer hunting is an ecologically responsible way to provide yourself with meat protein and keep the deer population in check, now that so many of its canid predators are not to be found.

I'd also like to say that going to your local supermarket and buying a slab of beef off the shelf is very normal in today's culture. All the disgusting work has been done. Just needs to be thrown on the grill or whatnot. Almost like being fed. We've all become puppy dogs in this dependant world. What happens when the feeder's hand no longer visits your dog house? Will you be able to take up a weapon and feed your family with the fruits of the forest, or will you be dependant on the hunters of the world? Think of the future. It may be "sport" now, but this is a survival sport. Valuable life lessons can be found therein.

 

[ChrisWins]

I used to be a hunter, but have since quit, I find it odd that i called myself a christian and followed christs teachings of love peace and forgiveness but went out in gods forest and killed his creation!!

Hello. I have at least one question, maybe a few sub-questions if there is such a thing, okay? First off, I respect your opinion to not harm any of God's creatures. That's beautiful and I thank you for it. I am sickened at mistreatment of animals and at one time I used to be against killing for food. Now I am not against killing for food so long as it is humane, so long as it is not taken for granted, so long as God is thanked for providing the animal, and so long as it is primarily necessary.

Is it necessary to kill God's creation for food? There are people native to many lands all along the Arctic Circle and above (just one example I am using.) These people are not white and of European ancestry. They, like I said, are native. They kill for food. For so long they have done this as usual, year in, year out, century in, century out. They did not know about Christ. Many still do not know about Christ. Those that do not I believe they can be excused. Those that do know Christ's teaching of "love peace and forgiveness" - should they stop killing for food? Should they just get vegetables from the grocery store? There aren't any grocery stores. Should they have vegetables imported to live on? They can't afford it. Should they grow their own vegetables in their own gardens? In the Arctic? Good luck. Okay, maybe they should move to a place where they can get a job to be able to afford vegetables?

What's the answer?

Thanks,
chris

 

[wildthing]

I used to be a hunter, but have since quit, I find it odd that i called myself a christian and followed christs teachings of love peace and forgiveness but went out in gods forest and killed his creation!! "the spirit of the fruit is love, joy, peace,patience,kindness,goodness,faithfulness,gentleness and self control" would god approve of man made in his image killing and slaughtering his creation?, I often hear peopel say, god gave us dominion over all the creatures.. TRUE yet dominion means stewardship not murder and the taking of life,,,,, We as christians cringe when we think about the cruelty to dogs, cats, horses and the like but we think nothing of it when we head into the woods to hunt, kill and scare gods creation in the name of traditions and sport..then people use the excuse "i eat the meat" but the catcher is you dont have to hunt for meat!!!! you choose to, you choose to arm yourself and cause pain to one of gods creatures in the name of gathering food yet that is avery thinly veiled excuse for SPORT HUNTING, jesus preached a life of forgiveness love and kindness,,, How can we love of neighbor as ourselves when we cant even respect his creatures roaming his wilderness? this might sound harsh but it is my opinion and it comes from a former hunter who say the errors in my way.

I think we need to define the following words... human, animals, murder, hunting. By defining these words you will be able to understand the concept of hunting.

A question for BLESSEDBETHEMEEK. Recently I had armed intruder break into my home. This person had killed and raped two other people. I shot and killed this person. Am I a murderer? According to your defintion I am.

 

[PACKY]

I think the answer to your question can be found directly in your question! You lay out a great point, however, true these people live in the artic circle and as such their lifestyle dictates their survival! we on the other hand do not typiclly rely on what we kill to sustain us, we have acess to store, markets, and fresh foods... you have answered your question yourself, The majority of americans and europeans have acess to these food sources and as such the killing of wild game is not required to sustain us we have choosen to partake in this activity as a SPORT! let me reiterate that we have turned into killing gods animals and creation into a SPORT, yes you may eat the food that you kill but it is not needed as there is plenty of food available from other sources, like i said earlier change and new perceptions on old traditions can be very hard to take or to understand, look at slavery how long was it accepted as a normal process? they had to fight a war in order to end the slave trade! just as it will take time for people to think out their actions. WHat i am saying is this Cattle, sheep,chickens, etc etc . are factory farmed and face untold horrors in their short lives before being slaughtered, and consumed People will never stop consuming meat it is how you treat them while they are alived, all of goods creation should be shown respect. It is how you treat gods creation that counts, do you show mercy to all of gods creation? do you thank god for all that he offers you and nourishes you with?do you think that god would approve of the destruction of his creation? I hope that helps expalin where I am coming from

Wildthing;
I am a corrections officer and understand that there are a lot of lost souls out there who would do harm to the innocents, I can also tell you this, I have never been in your situation and therefore cant say what i would do, I also will tell you that i will not judge you for what you did as the christ said in matthew 7, "do not judge others or you too will be judged. for in the same way you judge others you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you" I feel for you that you were put in that situation and i hope you pray to god for the person who passed away and as well as god sparing your life, I hope you spread the good news and the faith that you posses.

capt.link,
You seem to think that "the hand who feeds us will someday leave" to me the hand who feeds us is the lord christ, read Luke 12:22 and I read from Luke 12: 24 " consider the ravens;they do not sow or reap they have no storeroom or barn yet god feeds them. and how much more valuable you are than birds!" and see why we should not worry as god will always provide to the faithful what we need so also see Mark 11:24 " therefore I tell you,whatever you ask for in prayer beleive that you have received it and it will be yours"...also in Matthew 14:31 "you of little faith he said why did you doubt"? it is gods will not ours that will be done and gods path that we take down the path of life no our own.
thanks to everyone for the great respectable conversation!!!

 

[captlink]

capt.link,
You seem to think that "the hand who feeds us will someday leave" to me the hand who feeds us is the lord christ, read Luke 12:22 and I read from Luke 12: 24 " consider the ravens;they do not sow or reap they have no storeroom or barn yet god feeds them. and how much more valuable you are than birds!" and see why we should not worry as god will always provide to the faithful what we need so also see Mark 11:24 " therefore I tell you,whatever you ask for in prayer beleive that you have received it and it will be yours"...also in Matthew 14:31 "you of little faith he said why did you doubt"? it is gods will not ours that will be done and gods path that we take down the path of life no our own.
thanks to everyone for the great respectable conversation!!!

I appologize for the misconseption. The metaphor I used was in relation to economy rather than God. If we are all convinced that God will provide us meat beyond our imagination every morning we wake up like he did the children of Israel, then by all means don't hunt. That's one hand I'd love to be fed from. However, God's more apt to help those who help themselves. If God puts a huge deer in my cross-hairs, who am I to refuse such a gift from God?

 

[PACKY]

You forget about a little thing called free will... man sins correct? we have the choice to sin or to live by the word.. does not god provide you with enough food without the need to hunt?, are there not a multitude of other options for you besides hunting?, in terms of Economy lets break down teh relative cost of one pound of venison.. hunting back tag:
$20.00, fuel:30.00, food for hunting camp:40.00, Firearm (conservative estimate) 300.00
ammunition:15.00, hunting clothing: 50.00 totoal cost of huntig trip= $455.00 (very conservative total) you figure that after you dress out, debone, skin, and remove the head of a whitetail deer you will get on average 20-30 pounds of meat. so your paying approximately:$18.20 a pound per meat!.. thats not very ecomonomical too me...when you can buy almost any cut of meat for under $10.00 a pound, you also have to include the time spent hunting, killing, and gutting ot his animal.
Not to be rude but let m ask you. do you not think that god will provide for us?,Do we need meat to survive? if god suddenly took away ,eat from man could we not all survive? I know that i will miss certain animal products but i also know that god will continue to provide for me inthis lifetime and in eternity. Once agin We have turned the killing and destruction of god's creation in to a SPORT, it is not a needed a activity in the majority of modern mans life, it is something that we choose to do to pass the time. As i have multiple times now, the thought processes needed to change are hard to fathom and change is not always easy, It is not in mans nature to readily admit errors in our way of living, it is a choice we need to make, Christ preached a life of peace, love and forgiveness, do you think that you would find christ in the woods with a dee riflr? or in a slaughter house?.... remember the holy spirit appeared as a dove as well as Gods only son being called the angus dei or "lamb of god", the holy spirit appeared toman as animals multipe times in the scripture, as animals are considered to be "innocents",, Thanks for the reply!!!

 

[captlink]

You forget about a little thing called free will... man sins correct? we have the choice to sin or to live by the word.. does not god provide you with enough food without the need to hunt?, are there not a multitude of other options for you besides hunting?, in terms of Economy lets break down teh relative cost of one pound of venison.. hunting back tag:
$20.00, fuel:30.00, food for hunting camp:40.00, Firearm (conservative estimate) 300.00
ammunition:15.00, hunting clothing: 50.00 totoal cost of huntig trip= $455.00 (very conservative total) you figure that after you dress out, debone, skin, and remove the head of a whitetail deer you will get on average 20-30 pounds of meat. so your paying approximately:$18.20 a pound per meat!.. thats not very ecomonomical too me...when you can buy almost any cut of meat for under $10.00 a pound, you also have to include the time spent hunting, killing, and gutting ot his animal.
Not to be rude but let m ask you. do you not think that god will provide for us?,Do we need meat to survive? if god suddenly took away ,eat from man could we not all survive? I know that i will miss certain animal products but i also know that god will continue to provide for me inthis lifetime and in eternity. Once agin We have turned the killing and destruction of god's creation in to a SPORT, it is not a needed a activity in the majority of modern mans life, it is something that we choose to do to pass the time. As i have multiple times now, the thought processes needed to change are hard to fathom and change is not always easy, It is not in mans nature to readily admit errors in our way of living, it is a choice we need to make, Christ preached a life of peace, love and forgiveness, do you think that you would find christ in the woods with a dee riflr? or in a slaughter house?.... remember the holy spirit appeared as a dove as well as Gods only son being called the angus dei or "lamb of god", the holy spirit appeared toman as animals multipe times in the scripture, as animals are considered to be "innocents",, Thanks for the reply!!!

Walking to the supermarket and buying a slab of beef is definitely cheaper than obtaining all the equipment and proper licenses to become a legal hunter. However, can you really put a price tag on the knowledge and ability to provide for yourself rather than depend on the ability of your fellow man to provide for you? Sitting back and knowing God has taken care of all your needs is definitely the right frame of mind. If God doesn't want you to starve to death, then he will give you the opportunity to obtain food. What if that were the case? What if you were starving and God provided you with a herd of Whitetail in your backyard? Will you decline God's gift and starve anyway, or will you take up the rifle and survive?

This may sound very unChristianlike, but bear with me. Putting God in the equation makes things very difficult to argue this point. God is all-powerful. He can do anything. He will not abandon His followers. Lean on Him. Put all your faith in Him. Place all your needs in His able hands. Miracles do happen. But I'm also a firm believer that He will only provide for us if we NEED His divine ability. Our needs will increase as our ability decreases. If everybody puts their rifles away and the hunting tradition dies, our children will forget how to provide for themselves. When the economy crashes and the "hand that feeds us" is no longer there, our children, in their starving state, will look out to the fields upon herds of deer and other forms of life and know nothing of how to quench the hunger and survive. God, if it be His will, may step in and take care of those in need. Using God as a crutch isn't wrong, but it shouldn't make one weak.

This is a deep subject. Thanks for explaining your point.

 

[PACKY]

i guess the best reasoning for my point is this,, YOU DONT NEED MEAT TO LIVE!
the world around us is full of edible plants nutmeats, beries etc etc. although it may not be as tasty as a filet mignon god has still provided for us. Do you need to kil to live NO!there is a great quote:
We pray on Sundays that we may have light
To guide our footsteps on the path we tread;
We are sick of war, we don't want to fight,
And yet we gorge ourselves upon the dead.
-- George Bernard Shaw
Please read Isiah 11:6 it talks about gods creation and how life is supposed to be on gods holy mountain ( the earth) to quote Isiah 11:7 "the cow will feed with the bear,their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the Ox"
Dont get me wrong if you choose to hunt witht he mindset of a survivalest thats youre own choice and by no means do i pass judgement on you for it, I feel that if god wants us to have it he will provide, Meat is a luxary in many nations in America it is a staple,
We do not need meat to survive, is it not better to go without and live in peace than to seek out flesh and live in a world bound with pain and sadness?

 

[captlink]

If this were a world at peace and hunting was the only thing disturbing that peace, I could understand the pressures against hunting and the killing of wildlife. But this worthy argument seems to have no end. We're both right in our own right. It was nice reading your stance on this issue. It did open my eyes to many issues I wasn't aware of. Thanks for the input.

 

[PACKY]

"If this were a world at peace and hunting was the only thing disturbing that peace, I could understand the pressures against hunting and the killing of wildlife."
If we want to work for peace dont we need to start somewhere? why allow ourselves to make excuses, ex: "well ifthey are not at peace and there's bigger problems then its not a problem for me to go out and kill a animal"...we gota start somewhere, changes take years and so do the absorbition of wrongs... Ghandi once said "firts they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win!"

 

[The Story Teller]

At my house I'm the Dear. Everytime my wife says Dear I look like a deer caught in the headlights of a car. I know she wants me to do something. It's never a pretty sight. Yesterday our sewer had a blockage. You guessed it, I had to be the one to go out, in the cold and unblock it. Needless to say, you know what I smelled like afterwards. LOL

 

[PACKY]

what do you feel about the hunting of animals in fenced in ranches?
not only are you pursuing and killing gods creation for sport but you are doing it in a fenced in area where there is no escape? Honestly is that truly fair chase or even sportsman like? when we start calling gods animals "units" and start charging money by the points on the rack or tines and size we are truly pillaging gods creation for the profit of man......

 

[ChrisWins]

Reminds me of a King of the Hill episode where Hank takes Bobby to a deer farm kinda place where not only are they fenced in, they're baited, they have feeders, like throwing a snowball at a parked car - oooo, that was hard.

Fenced in shooting ranch, baiting - both bad.

 

[Justin04]

Wow I didnt know this part of the forum was around!!!

I deer hunt like crazy! I tend to hunt a good 25 days out of the 6 week season. Some just mornings before work and some evenings after.

I took 2 deer this year. I take one most years but on a good year I'll take two. One was a 4by7 27'' wide almost 200 pounds the other was a smoke fork buck. I hunt muleys but would love to go after a whitetail one of these days.