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[RickG]

The problems with diamonds...why do they still contain C14? The answer is, they are young.

Because it is "in situ" 14C, not cosmogenic 14C, that's why. Are you suggesting that diamonds form on the earths surface exposed to the atmosphere?

 

[brocke]

I don't know if this applies to this thread. Apparently Ken Harm has come up with a new approach by accepting Darwinin evolution but having it on hyperdrive so it fits in with a Young Earth timeline. I don't accept this and neither does Biologos the website that I am linking the article I read. Biologos and I accept an old earth and evolutionary theory.

http://thenaturalhistorian.com/2015...ans-of-hyper-evolution-following-noahs-flood/

 

[Hoghead1]

I think, Broke, that is Ken Ham, not ken Harm. I agree his site is totally bogus. He has no real qualifications, to begin with. No real credentials in biblical studies, science, theology, etc.

 

[-57]

What does the age of diamonds have to do with the age of the Earth?

From what I read diamonds are claimed to be (using old earth times) 1 billion to 3.3 billion years old. The C14 found in them clearly indicated they are not really that old...nor is the earth.

 

[RickG]

From what I read diamonds are claimed to be (using old earth times) 1 billion to 3.3 billion years old. The C14 found in them clearly indicated they are not really that old...nor is the earth.

-57, please review my post #41.

 

[AV1611VET]

Stick to the science and only the science. Citing or posting scripture is off topic for this thread.

Let me get this straight, Rick.

You want us to audit your books and find a mistake?

And if there aren't any, you want us to do what, exactly?

Claim you're right? subordinate our own books to yours?

 

[-57]

Because it is "in situ" 14C, not cosmogenic 14C, that's why. Are you suggesting that diamonds form on the earths surface exposed to the atmosphere?

Then where and what is the source?

 

[RickG]

Then where and what is the source?

Emissions from uranium or thorium in the proximity. The process is well know. That which is "in situ" 14C and cosmogenic 14C can also be distinguished by the ATTA dating method.

 

[-57]

Emissions from uranium or thorium in the proximity. The process is well know. That which is "in situ" 14C and cosmogenic 14C can also be distinguished by the ATTM dating method.

That thought was debated and shown to have problems when no uranium in the area has been found...and if there was uranium in the area the amount of uranium required to keep C14 in the diamond would have had to have been HUGE.

The problem still remains for the Old earthers to figure out....or drop completely and recognize the earth is younger than they think.

 

[lasthero]

That thought was debated and shown to have problems when no uranium in the area has been found...

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Where was this debate?

 

[RickG]

That thought was debated and shown to have problems when no uranium in the area has been found...and if there was uranium in the area the amount of uranium required to keep C14 in the diamond would have had to have been HUGE.

The problem still remains for the Old earthers to figure out....or drop completely and recognize the earth is younger than they think.

-57, that simply is not true. Furthermore there are other radionuclides such as thorium and Protactinium that do the same thing. Do you really think geochemists don't look at this? Also, think about the difference between cosmogenic and "in situ" 14C, not to mention how did cosmogenic 14C get into kimberlite and the fact that 'Atom Trap Trace Analysis (ATTA) method distinguishes between "in situ" 14C and cosmogenic 14C.

 

[-57]

-57, that simply is not true. Furthermore there are other radionuclides such as thorium and Protactinium that do the same thing. Do you really think geochemists don't look at this? Also, think about the difference between cosmogenic and "in situ" 14C, not to mention how did cosmogenic 14C get into kimberlite and the fact that 'Atom Trap Trace Analysis (ATTA) method distinguishes between "in situ" 14C and cosmogenic 14C.

All you have done is speculate. Please stop.
As I have said if the "in situ" 14C was caused by the radionuclides you have claimed... then in order to get these high amounts of C14 the diamonds would have been over 90% uranium.....prior to decaying to C14. The answer is not contamination.

 

[RickG]

All you have done is speculate. Please stop.
As I have said if the "in situ" 14C was caused by the radionuclides you have claimed... then in order to get these high amounts of C14 the diamonds would have been over 90% uranium.....prior to decaying to C14. The answer is not contamination.

57, I have no idea what you source is but it is false information. Again, where do diamonds form? In order to get cosmogenic 14C they would have to form in the open atmosphere? Diamonds do not form out of thin air. What do you not understand about this?

 

[AV1611VET]

57, I have no idea what you source is but it is false information. Again, where do diamonds form? In order to get cosmogenic 14C they would have to form in the open atmosphere? Diamonds do not form out of think air. What do you not understand about this?

What if they were created ex materia for a reason?

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

 

[RickG]

What if they were created ex materia for a reason?

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

From the OP:

Keep in mind that this thread is specific about the science and only the science. Its intent is not to question anyone's religious beliefs or have any discussion pertaining to any religion. Stick to the science and only the science. Citing or posting scripture is off topic for this thread.​

Please observe the OP.

 

[AV1611VET]

From the OP:

Keep in mind that this thread is specific about the science and only the science. Its intent is not to question anyone's religious beliefs or have any discussion pertaining to any religion. Stick to the science and only the science. Citing or posting scripture is off topic for this thread.​

Please observe the OP.

Fair enough.

But by filtering out THE ANSWER, you're essentially putting up a barrier to learning.

It's akin to asking:

What is the square root of 49? and I don't want any answer with a 7 in it.

 

[RickG]

Fair enough.

But by filtering out THE ANSWER, you're essentially putting up a barrier to learning.

It's akin to asking:

What is the square root of 49? and I don't want any answer with a 7 in it.

Do you have any science to contribute to the topic of this thread?

 

[-57]

57, I have no idea what you source is but it is false information. Again, where do diamonds form? In order to get cosmogenic 14C they would have to form in the open atmosphere? Diamonds do not form out of thin air. What do you not understand about this?

We should call you Mr. Bojangels with that dance.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

We should call you Mr. Bojangels with that dance.

Then how about you tell us where the Carbon 14 in diamonds comes from?

 

[RickG]

We should call you Mr. Bojangels with that dance.

How does cosmogenic 14C get into diamonds? It doesn't/can't. Diamonds are inorganic and form in the Earth's mantle in kimberlite and lamproite pipes.