Deep Time

[RickG]

Second you say we measure radionuclide decay. You say this decay has a known rate that you feel comfortable with. because of the ongoing endeavor to determone with more accuracy what those rates are for each element.

I am comfortable with what we see in decay rates until I can be shown that they are not constant and/or have changed in the past. I have not seen any data in the scientific literature that suggests different. And again, let's not confuse cosmogenic radionuclide oscillation with over all decay rates.

 

[RickG]

QV please:

SOURCE

Again, not a dating method. However, I do believe I have a thread not too old that is specific to stratigraphy which your post addresses. Perhaps you might post in it. The only thing that stratigraphy and/or sedimentary petrology relates to this thread is by dating a specific stratigraphic layer (radiometrically) or discussing its "relative" age through the identification of index fossils.

 

[lesliedellow]

We know over a 10 year period we have corrected the atomic clock by one second three (3) times. That does not sound very constant or accurate to me. If anyone want to do the math of projecting one second every ten years out over a 13.82 billion year period of time.

Okay, I will do the maths. I make it 44 years. About half a human lifetime in 13,820,000,000 years doesn't sound a whole lot to me.

If one part in 316 million isn't what you would call accurate, it is difficult.to know what would qualify.

 

[Loudmouth]

Recent discoveries show dinosaur bones can contain preserved blood vessels and soft tissue....which shouldn't be there if the strata the fossils were found in were really that old.

Please support this claim with evidence.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Okay, I will do the maths. I make it 44 years. About half a human lifetime in 13,820,000,000 years doesn't sound a whole lot to me.

If one part in 316 million isn't what you would call accurate, it is difficult.to know what would qualify.

I hate to give this example for the third time. But my friend works within a tolerance of one millionth and that creates a lot of problems due to the metal expanding and shrinking. He makes some sort of a valve so I suppose that if that value were on a space ship or something critical they want to be sure it is going to work all of the time. One mistake can kill people. So you tell me what tolerance is acceptable when the lives of people are on the balance. With God He is a God of absolutes. He does not make errors or mistakes. All of that is due to the fallen nature of the world that we live in.

 

[lesliedellow]

I hate to give this example for the third time. But my friend works within a tolerance of one millionth and that creates a lot of problems due to the metal expanding and shrinking. He makes some sort of a valve so I suppose that if that value were on a space ship or something critical they want to be sure it is going to work all of the time. One mistake can kill people. So you tell me what tolerance is acceptable when the lives of people are on the balance. With God He is a God of absolutes. He does not make errors or mistakes. All of that is due to the fallen nature of the world that we live in.

All of that is due to the fact that you can't engineer something with 100% precision.

 

[Loudmouth]

I hate to give this example for the third time. But my friend works within a tolerance of one millionth and that creates a lot of problems due to the metal expanding and shrinking. He makes some sort of a valve so I suppose that if that value were on a space ship or something critical they want to be sure it is going to work all of the time. One mistake can kill people. So you tell me what tolerance is acceptable when the lives of people are on the balance. With God He is a God of absolutes. He does not make errors or mistakes. All of that is due to the fallen nature of the world that we live in.

If decay rates are off by 0.00000001%, why would it matter?

 

[joshua 1 9]

If decay rates are off by 0.00000001%, why would it matter?

The Hubble constant was off by one billion years and that did not seem to matter to anyone. Just like no one seems to be worried that Obama has spent 19 trillion dollars as if it were chump change.

 

[Loudmouth]

The Hubble constant was off by one billion years and that did not seem to matter to anyone. Just like no one seems to be worried that Obama has spent 19 trillion dollars as if it were chump change.

How do those two things relate to the accuracy of radiometric dating?

 

[joshua 1 9]

All of that is due to the fact that you can't engineer something with 100% precision.

I did construction and as long as we were 99% we could usually live with it. The standards for other professions are a lot stricter. I remember helping a friend work on his Jaguar that has 1/1000 tolerance and sometimes they do not need to use gaskets they way the americans do with their tolerance.

 

[joshua 1 9]

How do those two things relate to the accuracy of radiometric dating?

Really? You do not need the Hubble to establish the accuracy of radiometric dating? You would not even know how old the universe ie matter is, without the Hubble giving you that information.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Really? You do not need the Hubble to establish the accuracy of radiometric dating? You would not even know how old the universe ie matter is, without the Hubble giving you that information.

When we're discussing the radiometric dating of the Earth, based on the sun in the Solar System, then the Hubble Telescope has no bearing on the discussion.

 

[joshua 1 9]

When we're discussing the radiometric dating of the Earth, based on the sun in the Solar System, then the Hubble Telescope has no bearing on the discussion.

Ok give it your best shot. Show me why you think the The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years. What evidence do you have to show that?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Ok give it your best shot. Show me why you think the The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years. What evidence do you have to show that?

Because radiometric testing supports that claim.

Do you have any evidence to show that the Earth is only 6,000 years old?

 

[bhsmte]

The Hubble constant was off by one billion years and that did not seem to matter to anyone. Just like no one seems to be worried that Obama has spent 19 trillion dollars as if it were chump change.

Off topic post of the day.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Off topic post of the day.

We are talking about deep time and the hubble gives us the age of the universe. So the hubble is not "off topic" at all. Of course if you would like to show there is no connection between the age of the earth and the age of the universe then show us what you got.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Because radiometric testing supports that claim.

Wonderful, show me the evidence to support your claim.

Do you have any evidence to show that the Earth is only 6,000 years old?

Do you mean based on Schroeder theory? Here is a link for that: http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48951136.html

For me I believe that Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden in the Tigris Euphrates river valley 6,000 years ago. (Ancient Mesopotamia) This was the beginning of the neolithic revolution. There were two groups of people living in that valley at that point of time. They were peaceful and got along with no conflicts. They did speak two different languages.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Wonderful, show me the evidence to support your claim.

Well here's two:
Helium Diffusion in Zircon
Deep Core Tests for the Age of the Earth

Do you mean based on Schroeder theory? Here is a link for that: http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48951136.html

Read your link. The man presents no science and purely relies on the Bible as his 'evidence' and then retroactively tries to shoehorn modern science in to it.
So... typical of people who want the Bible to be literal but also want to save face and admit that science is also right in a lot of things.

For me I believe that Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden in the Tigris Euphrates river valley 6,000 years ago. (Ancient Mesopotamia) This was the beginning of the neolithic revolution. There were two groups of people living in that valley at that point of time. They were peaceful and got along with no conflicts. They did speak two different languages.

Cute. But the topic isn't about Adam and Eve, but about the age of the Earth with relation to deep time. So you're... whatever this is about Adam and Eve... is off topic.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Cute. But the topic isn't about Adam and Eve, but about the age of the Earth with relation to deep time. So you're... whatever this is about Adam and Eve... is off topic.

You asked me a question and I answered your question.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I am comfortable with what we see in decay rates until I can be shown that they are not constant and/or have changed in the past.

That is exactly what happened in the 40's is that Hubble's Constant conflicted with radiometric dating. It turned out that Hubble's constant was in error. The steady state theory has now been discredited.