Decision to attack

[Christy4Christ]

In another post someone asked that we not debate the Iraq war because he only wanted opinions on whether it was "Just War" He asked that if anyone wanted to debate then to open a new thread. For the purpose of being able to really let it all out and debate if that is what we choose to do, I am opening this thread.

Here are my questions,

Did Bush really go to war because he was worried about WMD?

How many children did die as a direct result of OUR attack on Iraq?

Did oil have anything to do with this war?

Is there another way Bush could have handled it?

Is there any other place you can think of which has a dictatorship killing it's people on a daily basis?

 

[BAChristian]

Here are my questions,

Did Bush really go to war because he was worried about WMD?

Heh, nope.

How many children did die as a direct result of OUR attack on Iraq?

Probably quite a few.

Did oil have anything to do with this war?

Definitely.

Is there another way Bush could have handled it?

Yeah. He could've left Sadaam alone. It was a "knee-jerk" war...

Is there any other place you can think of which has a dictatorship killing it's people on a daily basis?

Small African nations? Dunno...

 

[seebs]

This is an exceptionally tricky question, because it gets straight into might-have-beens.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

In another post someone asked that we not debate the Iraq war because he only wanted opinions on whether it was "Just War" He asked that if anyone wanted to debate then to open a new thread. For the purpose of being able to really let it all out and debate if that is what we choose to do, I am opening this thread.

Here are my questions,

Did Bush really go to war because he was worried about WMD?

How many children did die as a direct result of OUR attack on Iraq?

Did oil have anything to do with this war?

Is there another way Bush could have handled it?

Is there any other place you can think of which has a dictatorship killing it's people on a daily basis?

Who knows, really and does it matter ?

I'm sure the DoD has a pretty good estimate.

What planet are you on ?

Theres always another way, it just that most of the time the will to try it is lacking.

Do your own research. Start here : www.amnesty.org

But does any of this really matter ? The criteria for determining a war to be just is highly subjective. It is almost impossible to determine the morallity of armed conflict to anyone other then yourself.

I don't know where this thread is going to go other than a I think/I think situation.

Good luck

 

[Christy4Christ]

What planet are you on ?

There really is no reason to be rude, if you don't want to participate in the thread you certainly don't have to. There are a lot of other threads you may be interested in.

 

[Aaron-Aggie]

Here are my questions,

Did Bush really go to war because he was worried about WMD?

That is something you'd have to ask him. But I have no doubt the infomation the goverment is alot diffrent then what you hear about on CNN.

How many children did die as a direct result of OUR attack on Iraq?

How many of the same would have died at the hand of Sadam?

Did oil have anything to do with this war?

Law of Supply of demand tells us that if supply increases price goes down.
Plus the oil companys were already makeing money off iraq anyways in the UN Food for Oil deals. And some were makeing money illegal funnel stuff through russia (Which no one has talked about but will proably be big time news closer to election time)

Enviromental laws have a greater impact on the oil industry then what iraq will do. Thats not to say someone out there won't enjoy the money they add to their bottom line from iraq.

 

[Acceptance]

Did Bush really go to war because he was worried about WMD?

I'm sure yes, in part...the same WMD Clinton 'knew' existed yet wouldn't defend our country against --- yipes I think I'm asking for it here

How many children did die as a direct result of OUR attack on Iraq?

Not as many as were killed from homicide in Chicago last year.

Did oil have anything to do with this war?

Umm...yeah...we use oil in our planes to get over there, oil in our tanks, hummers and other mechanical equipment, while we were there.

Is there another way Bush could have handled it?

Of course...he could have looked the other way, much similar to the way America did at the beginning of WWII. And look at the result of that one.
Saddam was causing and funding terror -- the same kind of terror and hate that caused 9/11. I just don't understand why people think we need to wait for another mass genocide before doing something.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I don't know if he really though Saddam had WMD...but I do know that Libya saw what was up and put down its own programs, as did Iran, I believe.

People know Bush is serious now, so they won't play games like Saddam did.

 

[darby8]

I don't know if he really though Saddam had WMD...but I do know that Libya saw what was up and put down its own programs, as did Iran, I believe.

People know Bush is serious now, so they won't play games like Saddam did.

No threats, just promises. He did the right thing in my opinion.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Well everyone could be right about these things. Here is where I am stumped, we have other countries in the world that have the exact same problem with their leaders. There are countries that I would venture to say are being abused much in the same way the Iraqi people were. I'd like to know what motivates us to go in to Iraq but completly ignore other countries who are in dire need of intervention?

 

[Am_Hasefer]

Africa Chrisy. Africa is in total turmoil, has been for 40 years. None of the West bothers, no oil so who cares. The only people doing something there are the Church, ministeries like Kennieth Copeland etc. They all do work there, making Wells, food supplies, medicine etc. Did the US, UK, France etc? No. Why? 'Hmm Cant see any oil'

 

[Christy4Christ]

Africa Chrisy. Africa is in total turmoil, has been for 40 years. None of the West bothers, no oil so who cares. The only people doing something there are the Church, ministeries like Kennieth Copeland etc. They all do work there, making Wells, food supplies, medicine etc. Did the US, UK, France etc? No. Why? 'Hmm Cant see any oil'

This is exactly my point. I am sick and tired of hearing how noble Bush was in his decision. The truth is it makes me sick. American people have been brainwashed by this guy! The anger caused by Sept. 11 has blinded us! He used our anger as a means to go and take over that country. He wanted revenge for his father's attempted assasination, and he wanted the oil that is over there. Blinded by anger we have supported this animal. The truth is I don't care who I offend by saying this! I am not going to keep quiet anymore. I pray that this phony man does not get re-elected! God help us if he does!

 

[pmarquette]

Africa Chrisy.
Africa is in total turmoil, has been for 40 years. None of the West bothers, no oil so who cares. how many e-mails , phone calls , protest marches have you gone on ? evil succeeds only when good men do nothing to stop it .....

The only people doing something there are the Church, ministeries like Kennieth Copeland etc.
because they understand Ezekiel 3.18-24 , Luke 6.38 , and Matthew 25.32-42 and Fear God ....

They all do work there, making Wells, food supplies, medicine etc. Did the US, UK, France etc? No. Why? 'Hmm Cant see any oil'

because we the governed do not raise our voices , use our vote , put pressure on those who make decisions .... want to point a finger .... look at the person in the mirror " we have met the enemy and he is us ... "

 

[Aaron-Aggie]

Africa Chrisy. Africa is in total turmoil, has been for 40 years. None of the West bothers, no oil so who cares. The only people doing something there are the Church, ministeries like Kennieth Copeland etc. They all do work there, making Wells, food supplies, medicine etc. Did the US, UK, France etc? No. Why? 'Hmm Cant see any oil'

umm sorry to break this to you but there is tons of oil in Africa.

Alot of Africa's wars are civil caused by waring tribes.

 

[PeterPaul]

I, probably unlike some of you, don't see any alternatives. I've decided to step back and not vote at all. I don't see the point to voting for the Dems, mainly because I'm not a socialist, nor Bush, who runs a party that has expanded the Federal government. Specifically, more than the war, I'm upset with the Patriot Act. This smells 666 to me. For those who believe it is ok, just think it can one day be used against Christians.

Either way, its all Caesar to me. When people ask me what party I belong to, I say Christ's party, the Catholic faith.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Peter,

Very good answer!

 

[geocajun]

Well everyone could be right about these things. Here is where I am stumped, we have other countries in the world that have the exact same problem with their leaders. There are countries that I would venture to say are being abused much in the same way the Iraqi people were. I'd like to know what motivates us to go in to Iraq but completly ignore other countries who are in dire need of intervention?

Christy, while there are humanitarian aspects of attacking iraq, the main objective is protect our country, and the oil there will help pay for the initiative.
War is expensive, and I think its a bit naive to think we should run around country after country going to war until every country properly governs themselves.

 

[Maple]

 

[Christy4Christ]

Christy, while there are humanitarian aspects of attacking iraq, the main objective is protect our country, and the oil there will help pay for the initiative.
War is expensive, and I think its a bit naive to think we should run around country after country going to war until every country properly governs themselves.

Protect our country from what?! Show me one ounce of solid proof that OUR country was in danger? OUR country had nothing to do with this. What about Bin Laden??? What happen to our search for him? All of the sudden he became a thing of the past, explain that to me!

 

[Aaron-Aggie]

Just becuase the media stops reporting on it dosn't mean we don't still have fine young men going from cave to cave in afganistain at the moment