Deception?

[Robert the Pilegrim]

I am curious if anyone else has thought perhaps there are non-Christians pretending to be so in this forum to sow discord.

I haven't seen anybody.

Some Christians with odd ideas, but that is par for the course.

I read things here about Christians giving the greenlight to:

1) abortion
2) same sex marriages
3) same sex couples adopting children
4) marijuana
5) masturbation
6) pre-marital sex
7) living with girlfriend/boyfriend before marriage
8) the Bible being flawed

what else have I left out?

[]but to willfully advocate the above and be a disciple of Jesus seems quite contradictory. Though there are differences, I still seek fellowship with those Christians...

Thoughts?

2) Suffice it to say that many Christians don't think that the verses cited are as clear as many other Christians think that they are.

Others look at the good fruits being borne of same-sex relationships that they personally know and say "This is sin?"

3) The evidence is that same sex couples can raise healthy children.
(I've got more recent cites somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look them up.)
"Legal, Psychological, and Medical Considerations in Lesbian Parenting,"
2 Law & Sexuality: Rev. Lesbian & Gay Legal Issues 239-240 [1992])"

"The Lesbian Mother," by Bernice Goodman [American Journal of
Orthopsychiatry, Vol. 43 (1983), pp. 283-284]

Kirkpatrick, Martha et al; "Lesbian Mothers and Their Children: A
Comparative Study," 51 American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 545 (1983)

"Homosexual Parents," by Brenda Maddox [Psychology Today, February,
1982, pp.66-69]

Riddle, Dorothy I.; "Relating to Children: Gays as Role Models," 34
Journal of Social Issues, 38-58 (1978)

4) as opposed to wine at a wedding?

5) While I believe that loving, faithful committed homosexual relationships are acceptable in the sight of God, I can also see why some read the Bible and come out strongly to the opposite position.

I don't understand how people read the Bible and state that it is "clear" that it is opposed to masturbation.

6&7) I will get back to this because I really need some more time to work out how to approach it.

8) So, which manuscript, which translation is the true Bible?

My position on 8 is much more subtle than just that, but why somebody would think that it is flawed seems pretty obvious who is knowledgable about the origins of the Bible.

 

[HunterRose]

I think that anyone who holds these principles are absolutly correct in their knowledge of God's character and his purpose for us. And I have to believe that if anyone rejects any of them are a little confised as to what God really expects from us. A lot of the arguements I am seeing right now come from a topic known as moral reletivism which is the belief that their is no absolute good or bad but that people have differant standards as to what is good or bad. I tell you now that this compromise is absolutly false, God has given us absolute truth and absolute morality to say that some things are good to some people and not good to others all the while both are acceptable to God is preposterous.

Killing a stranger on the street is bad
Killing an enemy soldier is not bad



Some things are bad and sometimes these same things are good….

 

[BillyShears]

Killing a stranger on the street is bad
Killing an enemy soldier is not bad



Some things are bad and sometimes these same things are good….

But what if you are fighting the enemy soldier for an unjust reason?

What if the enemy soldier is a boy who lived down the street from you growing up?

What if the enemy soldier is your brother?


Regardless of how you interpret the Bible, life is not so easy as right and wrong.

 

[lawtonfogle]

I am curious if anyone else has thought perhaps there are non-Christians pretending to be so in this forum to sow discord.

I read things here about Christians giving the greenlight to:

1) abortion -abortion is my opinion is not the issue. number 6 and rape, if they were taken away there would be very little need of it right now.
2) same sex marriages being gay is not wrong, for it is like being hetero. does that make it right to act on desires, no. In other words, you may not be able to controll your sexual preferences, but you can controll your thaughts and actions.
3) same sex couples adopting children -is it any worse than liers having famlies, besides the fact the kid will be picked on and there life will be worse (on average) than if they were raised by a normal family. Though I may not like the idea, how about we don't have any kids who need to be adopted. If all kids lived in happily famlies, this would not be a problem.
4) marijuana -does the goverment allow it?
5) masturbation -does it involve lust, yes. If you can do it without lust, don't say it is ok for others, becuase very few people are like you.
6) pre-marital sex in my church teachings, yes. In my own taught paths, I have reasoned a bit differently. But though the process is still different, what you deam as pre-marital sex is wrong.
7) living with girlfriend/boyfriend before marriage - as long as none of 6 is going on, it is fine. It was jewish custom to together one year before marriage, to see if they could live together.
8) the Bible being flawed -are there translation errors, yes.

what else have I left out?
Thoughts?

 

[Kgreg]

I'm convinced that a couple of non-christian posters from the Morality and Ethics sections are masquerading in the Christians Only sections to stir things up and to dissuade believers from the faith.

 

[BillyShears]

I'm convinced that a couple of non-christian posters from the Morality and Ethics sections are masquerading in the Christians Only sections to stir things up and to dissuade believers from the faith.

Are any of you referring to me.

I'm a Christian, though my faith has recently faltered as certain aspects of life and religion do not seem to coincide in my mind.

Because I'm questioning, does that mean I'm not permitted to debate with other Christians?

If any of you want a place where no one will ever disagree with any of your views, and where your specific beliefs will be endlessly reafirmed, then stay in your room and talk to the mirror.

For the rest of you, let's talk.

 

[NHB_MMA]

As for the original matter at hand, I know there are some people out there that are just, for whatever reason, extremely anti-Christian. I have no doubt that some of them make their way to such boards and antagonize.

As for the 8 issues you named, I largely agree with the position you're stating, but maybe not completely. I have known some very devout people that do not merely view their faith as some form of public lip-service that would happen to disagree with some particular issues. On the other hand, most of the positions you have listed are held by the overwhelming majority of Christians. I would personally think if someone completely opposed the church teaching on every one of these matters, his faith might not be genuine.

Perhaps I am more sympathetic to dissenters than some because I question a few belief of many popular denominations.