Deception in the church visible

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Hello Family of God,

I have had a most difficult time composing this message due to hindrances brought about by evil forces at work using human agencies. And it's not only through human agencies who are anti-Gospel, but literal nonhuman entities who have made a tremendous effort in trying to put a stop to my ministry, which involves exposing the archenemy and his restless agents of darkness attempting to put an end to me. I ask my dear brothers and sisters in Christ to pray that I may continue my ministry until the time the Lord decides to take me home.

I once listened to an erudite Pastor who is True to the Word of God explain to his congregation what will those who will be "left behind" wonder where so many people have disappeared to after the rapture occurs. I have a different take on this: I believe that there will only be a small remnant of True Christians who will be raptured; and because of this, it will not cause a huge stir as to why so MANY people have gone missing. The "few" is in comparison to the population at that time in History, which will be in the billions; so even the "remnant" which has gone home to be with the Lord will be just a small fraction of the Earth's total population. The amount of deception in the apostate church visible today is unprecedented and unparalleled; and a lot of this has to do with professing Christians not taking heed to what the Bible says regarding lies and deception (cf. Matt. 7:15-20; 15:8-9; 24:4,12,24; Mk. 13:22; 2 Cor. 2:11; 10:3-5; 11:3,13-15; Col. 2:8; Eph. 5:6; 6:10-12; 2 Thess. 2:3,9-12,15; 1 Tim. 4:1-3; 2 Tim. 3:1-5,13, 4:3-4; 3:13; 1 Pet. 5:8-9; 2 Pet. 2:1; 1 Jn. 2:18; Jude 1:3; Rev. 3:14-22; 13:13-14; 16:13-14; 20:10). Those who perform these counterfeit miracles profess to back up their claims by citing a passage in Scripture where Jesus said:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and [greater works than these] shall he do; because I go unto my Father." (John 14:12)

The context is clear that Jesus is referring to "greater works" than that which He Himself performed, and this is to be evident AFTER His departure and ascension. The apparent and obvious context is to preach the Gospel to all nations through the working of the Holy Spirit indwelt believers; something which Jesus was limited to during His Incarnation as a man being at one place at a time. If in fact this refers to His miracles such as raising the decomposed body of Lazarus from the dead after four days, replacing the ear of Malchus, and multiplying food, then it would also include raising oneself from the dead; after all, Jesus Himself said that He will raise up His temple (i.e., His physical body) after it is put to death, never to die again (Jn. 11:38-47; Matt. 26:51-52; 14:13-21; Jn. 2:19).

These counterfeit "Christians" with incredibly bad theology insist that a "revival" is on its way, and these false apostles and false prophets (even prophetess) are claiming that their lying signs and wonders are a fulfillment of this false revival. It is glaringly obvious that anyone with a modicum of spiritual discernment ought to be able to distinguish Truth from errors and lies, but sadly, this is not the case. Much of these false miracles and false apostles and prophets seek after [external] "evidence" of the working of the Holy Spirit. Is this what the meaning of FAITH is all about? (2 Cor. 5:7; Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 2:16; Heb. 11:1). Not only that, if one were to rebuke their heretical doctrines and counterfeit miracles, they would accuse Genuine Christians as being "divisive" and even "blaspheming the Holy Spirit."

It is apparent that the enemy is using this "warning" against True Christians as a way of deterring them from exposing these heretics and demon-possessed Pastors and preachers as the liars and frauds that they are. The Bible does indeed speak of signs and wonders, but such false converts have hidden the word "lying" from signs and wonders (cf. Ex. 7:11,22; Matt. 7:22; 24:24; Rev. 13:13-14; 19:20). Every Christian is given a measure of spiritual discernment, even if it's a small amount; and as to how anyone professing to be Christian can remain in these apostate churches is very telling. Here is several tactics used by the agents of darkness to keep True Believers who rightly divide the Word Of Truth to stay away from their "ministries" and prophetic "visions" given to them.

• 1). You are quenching the work of the Spirit.
• 2). You are "blaspheming" the Holy Spirit.
• 3). Judge not lest ye be judged (this is taken out of context. The context is in regard to "hypocritical" judging, which is very ironic to say the least).
• 4). Touch not God's anointed (e.g., Pastors and preachers with the worst possible theology). The context in Scripture regarding touch "not" God's anointed refers to physical harm to the Kings and Patriarchs of the Old Testament (cf. 1 Chron. 16:15-22; 1 Sam. 12:3,5; 24:6,10; 2 Sam. 1:14,16; 19:21; Ps. 20:6; 45:7; 105:8-15; Lam. 4:20). All children of God are considered anointed in the New Testament (cf. 2 Cor. 1:21-22; 1 Jn. 2:22,27).

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The above picture is an example of just how widespread and ubiquitous such self-centered and carnal these counterfeit Christians are. Who are these false teachers attracting? They are attracting counterfeit "Christians" who are only interested in serving "self" rather than submitting to the Sovereign Will of God the Almighty. My blood boils knowing that there are millions upon millions of false converts who attend church "faithfully", and such men and women are there only to satiate their carnal desires and sins of the flesh. Jesus gave warning signs that will be evident before His Second Coming at The Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24, and one of them was that MANY false prophets shall arise. We know that wars and persecution has been going on since the ascension of Christ, but He also compared them to "birth pangs" of a woman in labor. That is, false prophets will increase in "frequency" until the Second Advent, and this is the case in apostate Christianity today (e.g., Apostle Jimbo, or Prophetess Sherlene). I've heard many lame excuses as to why their prophecies did NOT come to pass such as: modern day prophets can make errors in their predictions and still be deemed a "true" prophet. I've even heard a false prophet making the excuse that the reason why some of his prophecies did not or will not come to pass is because not enough people prayed for it to come to pass. They might as well have cards similar to baseball trading cards with prophet names and their stats, such as:

1. Prophecies that came to pass: 0, or maybe 1 depending on how you "interpret" their extremely vague prophecies.
2. Prophecies that have Failed to come to pass: 16
3. Money given to support the ministry of these prophets: $330,840.00
4. Number of people deceived: 19,449 and counting.
5. Day chosen for special anointing through an epiphany received while shaving: March 16, 2018 at 6:18 am.

As I mentioned earlier, the Bible speaks of an Apostasy in the time of the end, rather than a revival. There will be only one final revival from the time we are in now until the time when Christ returns to set up His 1,000 year reign on this Earth. There will be a great multitude of every ethnicity before the Throne of God and the Lamb; and these are those who came out of the Great Tribulation (Rev. 7:9-14). So we have a false revival paired up with counterfeit miracles and lying signs and wonders. This is the carrot the archenemy is dangling at false converts. It seems as if you are on top of it, Satan . . . for the time being.

• 1). False Apostles.
• 2). False Prophets.
• 3). False Christs (i.e., false "anointed" ones).
• 4). Culminating in "the" False Prophet claiming to be the final prophet.
• 5). Culminating in "the" Antichrist claiming to be God Himself.

"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they [married wives, they were given in marriage], until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, [they bought, they sold], they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all." (Luke 17:26-29)

In Closing:

"Love not the world (Grk. "me agapate ton kosmon" [present imperative] -- i.e., "a command to cease from fervently loving the world and its system"), neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." (1 John 2:15-17)

The Greek verb "agapate" is a sacrificial love towards something or someone; and here it is speaking of anyone who devotes their lifestyle to participating in worldly pleasures (e.g., gambling, watching worldly movies filled with lust and carnality, going to bars and nightclubs; or anything pertaining to pride, carnality, coveting temporal things, etc.). To engage in such a pattern of worldliness and carnality by sacrificing the time needed in doing the Will of God is indicative of someone who has never been regenerated or born again through the renewing of the Spirit of God; and such hypocrites and false "Christians" will be weeded out at the end of the age (Matt. 7:21-23; 15:8; Lk. 6:46; Rom. 16:18; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Isa. 29:13; Jas. 1:26; 1 Jn. 2:9; Tit. 1:16; 2 Pet. 2:1; 1 Jn. 2:4; 3:8-10; Jude 1:4). It is impossible for anyone who loves God to love the world at the same time. The Love of God is in direct opposition to the the love of the world system; i.e., if anyone truly Loves God and Christ, he/she will hate the world and its system (e.g., "the lust of the flesh, eyes, and the pride of life"). If you are not opposed to that which is against God and His Eternal Truth, then you are for the world. Christians are to be against the world system and its ideologies, and to overcome them (cf. Matt. 4:1-25; Jn. 15:19; 17:11,14; 2 Cor. 10:4-6; Eph. 2:2; 6:12-13; 1 Jn. 5:4; Rev. 12:9).

"If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." (John 15:19)

I leave you with this prophecy which will be fulfilled with 100% accuracy:

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about (i.e., "Satan and his army will march up to the plains of the land of Israel"), and the beloved city (the millennial Jerusalem): [AND FIRE CAME DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN, AND DEVOURED THEM]. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, [AND SHALL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER]." (Revelation 20:6-10)

The Wrath of Almighty God will be on display when Fire and Brimstone will consume an innumerable army in an INSTANT. The devil has deceived the world long enough by then, and he will have stored up wrath to such degree that the Consuming Fire of God will not only decimate an incalculable army in a flash, but will transition them into the Eternal Lake of Fire where they will join the arch-deceiver where they will suffer Everlasting Punishment.

"And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them. They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust. The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs. I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men: Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and the Lord hath not done all this." (Deuteronomy 32:20-27)

God Bless!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

apparently, if you're raptured, it means you're evil, since the disappearances spoken of in the gospels uses the flood of Noah as a reference point.

However, the Resurrection is something else that the rapture has snuck in and replaced in the telling of the Gospel. So the Resurrection remains my Hope.

 

[parousia70]

apparently, if you're raptured, it means you're evil, since the disappearances spoken of in the gospels uses the flood of Noah as a reference point.

That is a great point.
Matthew 24:37-41
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

The Flood came and took the Evil people all away, SO ALSO would the coming of the Son of man be:
Two Men in the Field one (EVIL) will be Taken, the other (Righteous) will be left, Two women at the Mill, one (Evil) will be TAKEN, the other (Righteous) will be left.

As in the Flood, 'tis better to be "Left Behind" on earth Just as Righteous Noah was, than to be "taken away" to condemnation as the Evil people were.

 

[Copperhead]

So the Resurrection remains my Hope.

Which one?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Which one?

The seed is the same as the fruit to God didn't you know?

 

[Copperhead]

The seed is the same as the fruit to God didn't you know?

Well, since there was the resurrection of Matthew 27, in which many early church writers who either knew the Apostles or their disciples stated that these resurrected saints were taken to the Father. And there is the resurrection that Paul talks about of the righteous. The dead in Christ and those that are alive at that time also being caught up with them.

Then there is the resurrection of Revelation 20, which is the resurrection of the non redeemed to be judged at the white throne judgement which is a prosecutorial judgement that lays out the case of God's justification for condemning those who were not in the Book of Life. The Believer doesn't participate in that judgement, only the judgement of the Bema Seat outlined in 2 Corinthians 5.

And if Leviticus 23 is the pattern for this, as I believe it is, then the resurrected of Matthew 27 were the first fruits of the harvest taken by Yeshua to the Father. The dead in Christ and those that are caught up with them is the general harvest. The saints that are martyrs during the GT period are the gleanings of the harvest. All this laid out in Leviticus 23, tucked right in there after the feast of Shavuot (Pentecost) and the Yom Teruah (trumpets). And the argument can be supported that since Yeshua is fulfilling all the feasts of Leviticus 23, the period were are in is between Shavuot and Yom Teruah. And Leviticus 23 starts out saying that these feasts are holy convocations (appointments) and moed (rehearsals) for future events.

So that is why I asked which resurrection are you counting on?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So that is why I asked which resurrection are you counting on?

I find we're not thinking about it with the same logical premise, so not sure how to answer.

Have a blessed day tho.

 

[eleos1954]

when Christ returns to set up His 1,000 year reign on this Earth.

"when Christ returns to set up His 1,000 year reign on this Earth." Disagree - the 1,000 years is not reigning with Him on earth, we reign with Him in heaven for the 1,000 years.

When Christ returns the 1st resurrection happens. The raised saved along with the raised living are taken to heaven to be with the Lord. After the 1,000 years in heaven, the 2nd resurrection, the unsaved dead happens.

1 Thessalonians 4

The Return of the Lord

13Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. 14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

18Therefore encourage one another with these words.

The living unsaved at His return are destroyed

2nd Thessalonians

8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival.

No man alive and the earth is desolate.

Jeremiah 4

23I looked at the earth,
and it was formless and empty;
I looked to the heavens,
and they had no light.
24I looked at the mountains,
and behold, they were quaking;
all the hills were swaying.

25 I looked, and no man was left;

all the birds of the air had fled.
26I looked, and the fertile field was a desert.
All its cities were torn down
before the LORD,
before His fierce anger.
27For this is what the LORD says:

“The whole land will be desolate,

but I will not finish its destruction. (final destruction hasn't taken place yet)

The 1,000 years are in heaven, not on earth.

Revelation 20

4Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (1st resurrection)

Revelation 20

6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Satan Bound

1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time.

After the 1,000 years (in heaven) - the 2nd resurrection happens.

So, the earth has been in a desolate state during the 1,000 years. Satan has no one to tempt because all are dead ... this is how he is bound/chained, imprisoned.

Revelation 20

5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete.
The resurrection of condemnation. The unrighteous are raised in the second general resurrection, which takes place at the end of the 1000 years This resurrection proceeds to the final judgment and condemnation John 5:28-29.

The New Jerusalem from heaven descends to the earth.

Revelation 21

10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city of Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God

Battle of Gog and Magog takes place (all the unsaved from the 2nd resurrection led by satan and his minions.)

Revelation

7When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.

Revelation 20

9And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city.

Great White Throne Judgement happens

But fire came down from heaven and consumed them. 10And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown

Sin and death are destroyed for eternity! AMEN!

Then God makes everything new.

Revelation 21

5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

God Bless all.

 

[_Dave_]

apparently, if you're raptured, it means you're evil, since the disappearances spoken of in the gospels uses the flood of Noah as a reference point.

However, the Resurrection is something else that the rapture has snuck in and replaced in the telling of the Gospel. So the Resurrection remains my Hope.

The typology of the flood is accurate to the rapture.

Noah and his family were taken away and made safe in a place prepared for them by God. Then, when the earth was cleansed, they returned to a completely different earth. Does the idiom sound familiar? John 14:2 and the Second Coming when Christ returns with the saints Rev 19.

IOW, taken away, saved from the cleansing, and then returned.

 

[claninja]

The typology of the flood is accurate to the rapture.

Noah and his family were taken away and made safe in a place prepared for them by God. Then, when the earth was cleansed, they returned to a completely different earth. Does the idiom sound familiar? John 14:2 and the Second Coming when Christ returns with the saints Rev 19.

IOW, taken away, saved from the cleansing, and then returned.

When Jesus uses the Noah story as typology of the day of the Lord, Who was taken away during the flood, the righteous or the wicked?

**Hint, it isn't Noah, because the verb "took away" is third person PLURAL and THEREFORE CANNOT REFER back to Noah, which is a singular noun, but to "they" who were eating and drinking and marrying and unaware.

matthew 24:38-41 For as in those days before the flood they (PLURAL) were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah (Singular) entered the ark, and they (plural) were unaware until the flood came and took them all away (3rd person PLURAL), so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left

 

[Copperhead]

Adding to the Noah typology, it was YHWH who sealed them in the ark and He did it 7 days before the rains came. A veiled reference to Daniel’s 70th week maybe.

 

[_Dave_]

When Jesus uses the Noah story as typology of the day of the Lord, Who was taken away during the flood, the righteous or the wicked?

**Hint, it isn't Noah, because the verb "took away" is third person PLURAL and THEREFORE CANNOT REFER back to Noah, which is a singular noun, but to "they" who were eating and drinking and marrying and unaware.

matthew 24:38-41 For as in those days before the flood they (PLURAL) were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah (Singular) entered the ark, and they (plural) were unaware until the flood came and took them all away (3rd person PLURAL), so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left

Interesting. And you do bring up an important point that illustrates the two-part Second Coming.

As an idiom for the rapture of the church the flood of Noah still remains intact. A remnant faithful were protected from God's wrath in a place prepared by Him for them. Paul preached it, the early church believed it. It's Scriptural.

And in the Matthew account where Christ uses the flood we are given a clear and unambiguous illustration of what will happen to the unrepentant and unsaved at the end of the Great Tribulation.

Claninja, you were absolutely right to point out the antecedent to "them" in Matthew 24:39 is indeed the ones who would suffer God's wrath in the flood. That's what makes Christ's story so poignant.

There are a couple of important things to draw from this. The first is that the word "away" in 24:39 is never used to illustrate a snatching up, as is the word used for rapture "harpazo" in 1Thess 4:17. Completely different usage both in these two verses, and everywhere else in the NT that they are used.

So, if these are two different kinds of taking away, what is the significance?

That whole portion of Matthew is Jesus telling about his Second Coming at the end of the Great Tribulation. He is saying that, like when Noah was safely in the boat and the rest of the world's population was swept away to destruction, it will be the same for those unrepentent unsaved who survived the Great Tribulation as they are taken away to face Christ at the Great White Throne.

The wicked in neither Noah's day, nor at Christ's Second Coming are in any way snatched up to meet Jesus in a cloud in the twinkling of an eye, but are taken away to suffer God's wrath. And like when the people were swept away after Noah was safely in the boat, so too the unsaved tribulation survivors will be taken away to judgment after those who died in Christ and the raptured are safely tucked away in Heaven.

I'm glad you brought that up. I had never connected the two that way, but it's made it even more poignant for me.

 

[claninja]

As an idiom for the rapture of the church the flood of Noah still remains intact. Paul preached it, the early church believed it. It's Scriptural.

I disagree its an idiom for the rapture. In the Noah typology used by Jesus, the flood takes away the unrighteous, so would it be on the day of the Lord.

Paul preaches that the "being caught away" occurs AFTER the resurrection.
1 thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

A remnant faithful were protected from God's wrath in a place prepared by Him for them.

Those in Christ are not appointed to the wrath of God
1 thessalonians 5:9 For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus is the ark
romans 5:9 Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him!

The ark is the typology for the saving work of Christ.
1 peter 3:20-21 In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water. And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

And in the Matthew account where Christ uses the flood we are given a clear and unambiguous illustration of what will happen to the unrepentant and unsaved at the end of the Great Tribulation.

Correct, they were taken away, just as the flood took away the unrighteous.

Claninja, you were absolutely right to point out the antecedent to "them" in Matthew 24:39 is indeed the ones who would suffer God's wrath in the flood. That's what makes Christ's story so poignant.

Good, we agree that it is the unrighteous who are taken away by the wrath of God.

The first is that the word "away" in 24:39 is never used to illustrate a snatching up, as is the word used for rapture "harpazo" in 1Thess 4:17. Completely different usage both in these two verses, and everywhere else in the NT that they are used.

Absolutely agree.

Jesus uses the flood typology to state the unrighteous will be taken away at coming of the son of man
Matthew 24:38-39 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. And they were oblivious, until the flood came and took them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man

The being "caught away" AFTER THE RESURRECTION, occurs for the righteous in Christ.
1 thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

That whole portion of Matthew is Jesus telling about his Second Coming at the end of the Great Tribulation. He is saying that, like when Noah was safely in the boat and the rest of the world's population was swept away to destruction, it will be the same for those unrepentent unsaved who survived the Great Tribulation as they are taken away to face Christ at the Great White Throne.

I agree. But I think we disagree on what the ark represents. You believe it to be the rapture of the saints to heaven, I believe it to be the saving work of Christ through his death, resurrection, and ascension.

Those who are in Christ were to heed his words, and would not be "caught up to heaven", but were to flee to the mountains from Judea prior to the great tribulation.
Matthew 25:15-21 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak. How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again

All of us will appear before the judgment seat of Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

And like when the people were swept away after Noah was safely in the boat, so too the unsaved tribulation survivors will be taken away to judgment

I would argue the flood is symbolic for the great tribulation. Believers escape the great tribulation of Daniel's people, by fleeing to the mountains as instructed by Christ (matthew 24:15-16).

and the raptured are safely tucked away in Heaven.

The rapture "being caught away" occurs AFTER the resurrection according to Paul
1 thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

 

[Copperhead]

Yeah, I had to go back and look closer at Matthew 24.

The operative word is "took" in....

Matthew 24:39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

It is those fit for destruction that got took away. This sets the typology of the subsequent verses....

Matthew 24:40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.

Matthew 24:41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

Now, many have equated these passages to the rapture and the "taken" are the righteous. Not so fast. It was the corrupt ones that were "took" in the Flood reference, so using sound grammatical principles of typology, the following verses the "taken" would also be unrighteous.

So, it would seem to yet support that the church has nothing to do with Matthew 24. The target audience was laid out in Matthew 23:37-39. The discourse of Matthew 24-25 is for the Hebrews primarily, but also those on the earth during the tribulation period.

Some argue that this....

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

has the rapture in mind. Not necessarily. Since the chapter is primarily for the Hebrews and unrighteous gentiles, both groups would not be expecting the Lord to come during that hectic, evil time. It sure isn't like when the tribulation period starts that the Hebrews and unrighteous gentiles get wise and break out their tribulation time line charts that they got from their favorite pre-trib ministry website and start looking for the Messiah to return 7 years later. No, they would be unsuspecting and clueless about the Lord coming. So they would not know the hour just as Yeshua states.

The church still is not in view.

So in a round about way, the passage does support a pre-trib removal position, but in a more subtle way.

 

[BABerean2]

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

has the rapture in mind. Not necessarily. Since the chapter is primarily for the Hebrews and unrighteous gentiles, both groups would not be expecting the Lord to come during that hectic, evil time. It sure isn't like when the tribulation period starts that the Hebrews and unrighteous gentiles get wise and break out their tribulation time line charts that they got from their favorite pre-trib ministry website and start looking for the Messiah to return 7 years later. No, they would be unsuspecting and clueless about the Lord coming. So they would not know the hour just as Yeshua states.

The church still is not in view.


So in a round about way, the passage does support a pre-trib removal position, but in a more subtle way.

In the parable of the wheat and tares it is the tares which are taken first and burned in the fire.

The righteous are left.


Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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[Copperhead]

In the parable of the wheat and tares it is the tares which are taken first and burned in the fire.

The righteous are left.


Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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You are equating two separate passages of scripture. Matthew 24 that you are commenting on is NOT regarding the time in the Kingdom and you are trying to impose a parable that is dealing with the Kingdom. Matthew 24 is dealing totally with the time of the Tribulation Period. The wheat and tares parable of Matthew 13 is nested in the group known as the Kingdom Parables. Those kingdom parables are interconnected. One should look at each in light of the others.

You yourself highlighted "gather out of His kingdom" which makes my point! It is dishonest to say the least to equate the two passages since they do not deal with the same time period or subject.

Also, you edited out the context of what I was referring to in that post of mine. That is not only dishonest, but could be misleading others as to what I said unless they go back and look.

You have done wrong. Don't do it again.

 

[BABerean2]

You are equating two separate passages of scripture. Matthew 24 that you are commenting on is NOT regarding the time in the Kingdom and you are trying to impose a parable that is dealing with the Kingdom. Matthew 24 is dealing totally with the time of the Tribulation Period. The wheat and tares parable of Matthew 13 is nested in the group known as the Kingdom Parables. Those kingdom parables are interconnected. One should look at each in light of the others.

You yourself highlighted "gather out of His kingdom" which makes my point! It is dishonest to say the least to equate the two passages since they do not deal with the same time period or subject.

Also, you edited out the context of what I was referring to in that post of mine. That is not only dishonest, but could be misleading others as to what I said unless they go back and look.

You have done wrong. Don't do it again.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;


2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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[Biblewriter]

In the parable of the wheat and tares it is the tares which are taken first and burned in the fire.

The righteous are left.

This is absolutely correct. But in the parable of the ten virgins it is "those who were ready" that "went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!' " Matthew 25:10-11
In this case the righteous are taken in to the wedding and the wicked are left where they were.

This is exactly the opposite of the other parable. (And, yes, the words "first" and "Afterward" are in the Greek texts of these two passages.)

This is just one of the many proofs that the Lord's coming for His own, which is commonly called "the rapture" does not take place at the same time as the Lord's coming to judge the wicked, which the scriptures call "the day of the Lord."

For it is physically impossible to take group A+B, and remove the A fraction, while leaving the B fraction, and at the same time remove the B fraction, while leaving the A fraction. These two exclusive removals therefore have to take place at different times.

 

[iamlamad]

Hello Family of God,

I have had a most difficult time composing this message due to hindrances brought about by evil forces at work using human agencies. And it's not only through human agencies who are anti-Gospel, but literal nonhuman entities who have made a tremendous effort in trying to put a stop to my ministry, which involves exposing the archenemy and his restless agents of darkness attempting to put an end to me. I ask my dear brothers and sisters in Christ to pray that I may continue my ministry until the time the Lord decides to take me home.

I once listened to an erudite Pastor who is True to the Word of God explain to his congregation what will those who will be "left behind" wonder where so many people have disappeared to after the rapture occurs. I have a different take on this: I believe that there will only be a small remnant of True Christians who will be raptured; and because of this, it will not cause a huge stir as to why so MANY people have gone missing. The "few" is in comparison to the population at that time in History, which will be in the billions; so even the "remnant" which has gone home to be with the Lord will be just a small fraction of the Earth's total population. The amount of deception in the apostate church visible today is unprecedented and unparalleled; and a lot of this has to do with professing Christians not taking heed to what the Bible says regarding lies and deception (cf. Matt. 7:15-20; 15:8-9; 24:4,12,24; Mk. 13:22; 2 Cor. 2:11; 10:3-5; 11:3,13-15; Col. 2:8; Eph. 5:6; 6:10-12; 2 Thess. 2:3,9-12,15; 1 Tim. 4:1-3; 2 Tim. 3:1-5,13, 4:3-4; 3:13; 1 Pet. 5:8-9; 2 Pet. 2:1; 1 Jn. 2:18; Jude 1:3; Rev. 3:14-22; 13:13-14; 16:13-14; 20:10). Those who perform these counterfeit miracles profess to back up their claims by citing a passage in Scripture where Jesus said:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and [greater works than these] shall he do; because I go unto my Father." (John 14:12)

The context is clear that Jesus is referring to "greater works" than that which He Himself performed, and this is to be evident AFTER His departure and ascension. The apparent and obvious context is to preach the Gospel to all nations through the working of the Holy Spirit indwelt believers; something which Jesus was limited to during His Incarnation as a man being at one place at a time. If in fact this refers to His miracles such as raising the decomposed body of Lazarus from the dead after four days, replacing the ear of Malchus, and multiplying food, then it would also include raising oneself from the dead; after all, Jesus Himself said that He will raise up His temple (i.e., His physical body) after it is put to death, never to die again (Jn. 11:38-47; Matt. 26:51-52; 14:13-21; Jn. 2:19).

These counterfeit "Christians" with incredibly bad theology insist that a "revival" is on its way, and these false apostles and false prophets (even prophetess) are claiming that their lying signs and wonders are a fulfillment of this false revival. It is glaringly obvious that anyone with a modicum of spiritual discernment ought to be able to distinguish Truth from errors and lies, but sadly, this is not the case. Much of these false miracles and false apostles and prophets seek after [external] "evidence" of the working of the Holy Spirit. Is this what the meaning of FAITH is all about? (2 Cor. 5:7; Eph. 2:8-9; Gal. 2:16; Heb. 11:1). Not only that, if one were to rebuke their heretical doctrines and counterfeit miracles, they would accuse Genuine Christians as being "divisive" and even "blaspheming the Holy Spirit."

It is apparent that the enemy is using this "warning" against True Christians as a way of deterring them from exposing these heretics and demon-possessed Pastors and preachers as the liars and frauds that they are. The Bible does indeed speak of signs and wonders, but such false converts have hidden the word "lying" from signs and wonders (cf. Ex. 7:11,22; Matt. 7:22; 24:24; Rev. 13:13-14; 19:20). Every Christian is given a measure of spiritual discernment, even if it's a small amount; and as to how anyone professing to be Christian can remain in these apostate churches is very telling. Here is several tactics used by the agents of darkness to keep True Believers who rightly divide the Word Of Truth to stay away from their "ministries" and prophetic "visions" given to them.

• 1). You are quenching the work of the Spirit.
• 2). You are "blaspheming" the Holy Spirit.
• 3). Judge not lest ye be judged (this is taken out of context. The context is in regard to "hypocritical" judging, which is very ironic to say the least).
• 4). Touch not God's anointed (e.g., Pastors and preachers with the worst possible theology). The context in Scripture regarding touch "not" God's anointed refers to physical harm to the Kings and Patriarchs of the Old Testament (cf. 1 Chron. 16:15-22; 1 Sam. 12:3,5; 24:6,10; 2 Sam. 1:14,16; 19:21; Ps. 20:6; 45:7; 105:8-15; Lam. 4:20). All children of God are considered anointed in the New Testament (cf. 2 Cor. 1:21-22; 1 Jn. 2:22,27).

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The above picture is an example of just how widespread and ubiquitous such self-centered and carnal these counterfeit Christians are. Who are these false teachers attracting? They are attracting counterfeit "Christians" who are only interested in serving "self" rather than submitting to the Sovereign Will of God the Almighty. My blood boils knowing that there are millions upon millions of false converts who attend church "faithfully", and such men and women are there only to satiate their carnal desires and sins of the flesh. Jesus gave warning signs that will be evident before His Second Coming at The Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24, and one of them was that MANY false prophets shall arise. We know that wars and persecution has been going on since the ascension of Christ, but He also compared them to "birth pangs" of a woman in labor. That is, false prophets will increase in "frequency" until the Second Advent, and this is the case in apostate Christianity today (e.g., Apostle Jimbo, or Prophetess Sherlene). I've heard many lame excuses as to why their prophecies did NOT come to pass such as: modern day prophets can make errors in their predictions and still be deemed a "true" prophet. I've even heard a false prophet making the excuse that the reason why some of his prophecies did not or will not come to pass is because not enough people prayed for it to come to pass. They might as well have cards similar to baseball trading cards with prophet names and their stats, such as:

1. Prophecies that came to pass: 0, or maybe 1 depending on how you "interpret" their extremely vague prophecies.
2. Prophecies that have Failed to come to pass: 16
3. Money given to support the ministry of these prophets: $330,840.00
4. Number of people deceived: 19,449 and counting.
5. Day chosen for special anointing through an epiphany received while shaving: March 16, 2018 at 6:18 am.

As I mentioned earlier, the Bible speaks of an Apostasy in the time of the end, rather than a revival. There will be only one final revival from the time we are in now until the time when Christ returns to set up His 1,000 year reign on this Earth. There will be a great multitude of every ethnicity before the Throne of God and the Lamb; and these are those who came out of the Great Tribulation (Rev. 7:9-14). So we have a false revival paired up with counterfeit miracles and lying signs and wonders. This is the carrot the archenemy is dangling at false converts. It seems as if you are on top of it, Satan . . . for the time being.

• 1). False Apostles.
• 2). False Prophets.
• 3). False Christs (i.e., false "anointed" ones).
• 4). Culminating in "the" False Prophet claiming to be the final prophet.
• 5). Culminating in "the" Antichrist claiming to be God Himself.

"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they [married wives, they were given in marriage], until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, [they bought, they sold], they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all." (Luke 17:26-29)

In Closing:

"Love not the world (Grk. "me agapate ton kosmon" [present imperative] -- i.e., "a command to cease from fervently loving the world and its system"), neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." (1 John 2:15-17)

The Greek verb "agapate" is a sacrificial love towards something or someone; and here it is speaking of anyone who devotes their lifestyle to participating in worldly pleasures (e.g., gambling, watching worldly movies filled with lust and carnality, going to bars and nightclubs; or anything pertaining to pride, carnality, coveting temporal things, etc.). To engage in such a pattern of worldliness and carnality by sacrificing the time needed in doing the Will of God is indicative of someone who has never been regenerated or born again through the renewing of the Spirit of God; and such hypocrites and false "Christians" will be weeded out at the end of the age (Matt. 7:21-23; 15:8; Lk. 6:46; Rom. 16:18; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Isa. 29:13; Jas. 1:26; 1 Jn. 2:9; Tit. 1:16; 2 Pet. 2:1; 1 Jn. 2:4; 3:8-10; Jude 1:4). It is impossible for anyone who loves God to love the world at the same time. The Love of God is in direct opposition to the the love of the world system; i.e., if anyone truly Loves God and Christ, he/she will hate the world and its system (e.g., "the lust of the flesh, eyes, and the pride of life"). If you are not opposed to that which is against God and His Eternal Truth, then you are for the world. Christians are to be against the world system and its ideologies, and to overcome them (cf. Matt. 4:1-25; Jn. 15:19; 17:11,14; 2 Cor. 10:4-6; Eph. 2:2; 6:12-13; 1 Jn. 5:4; Rev. 12:9).

"If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." (John 15:19)

I leave you with this prophecy which will be fulfilled with 100% accuracy:

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about (i.e., "Satan and his army will march up to the plains of the land of Israel"), and the beloved city (the millennial Jerusalem): [AND FIRE CAME DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN, AND DEVOURED THEM]. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, [AND SHALL BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOR EVER AND EVER]." (Revelation 20:6-10)

The Wrath of Almighty God will be on display when Fire and Brimstone will consume an innumerable army in an INSTANT. The devil has deceived the world long enough by then, and he will have stored up wrath to such degree that the Consuming Fire of God will not only decimate an incalculable army in a flash, but will transition them into the Eternal Lake of Fire where they will join the arch-deceiver where they will suffer Everlasting Punishment.

"And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them. They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust. The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs. I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men: Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and the Lord hath not done all this." (Deuteronomy 32:20-27)

God Bless!

You talked about the false; now lets talk about the real:

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

This is the very same church that was started in Jerusalem - only now it is mostly a Gentile church. Jesus Christ, the head of the church is the same, yesterday, today and forever. It is the very same Holy Spirit. It is the very same Father that is above all.

I think it is VERY possible some in the church today would not recognize the Holy Spirit if He came down the center aisle with a blue hat on. Why would I say that? Because most of the church has BYPASSED Acts 1 and 2 in their walk.

Make no mistake, readers, God is STILL in the miracle working business. However, churches that bypass Acts 1 and 2 seldom or ever see a real miracle.

 

[BABerean2]

You talked about the false; now lets talk about the real:

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

This is the very same church that was started in Jerusalem - only now it is mostly a Gentile church. Jesus Christ, the head of the church is the same, yesterday, today and forever. It is the very same Holy Spirit. It is the very same Father that is above all.

I think it is VERY possible some in the church today would not recognize the Holy Spirit if He came down the center aisle with a blue hat on. Why would I say that? Because most of the church has BYPASSED Acts 1 and 2 in their walk.

Make no mistake, readers, God is STILL in the miracle working business. However, churches that bypass Acts 1 and 2 seldom or ever see a real miracle.

Nobody can be a member of the true Church unless they have been "born again" of the Spirit of God.


Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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