The bible, although it may not describe a FE to your acceptance, certainly does not describe a globe, spinning, orbiting and moving through space.
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The bible, although it may not describe a FE to your acceptance, certainly does not describe a globe, spinning, orbiting and moving through space.The Bible never sets out to actively teach a flat earth. I've met plenty of other creationists like myself, including Ken Ham who all believe in 6 day creation and global flood and not one of us believes in a flat earth.
That the moon is not a created light by God but a created light reflector, even though there is not a single place in the Bible, that even hints at the moon being a created light reflector.
Yes, cosmology knows with a high level of confidence how our earth came to be. But even if they didn't know how we do know that it is like this because we do have evidence. You have just hand waved that evidence as suspect due to scientists deceiving us without evidence as you did below. Would you actually look at the evidence for a ball earth or just dismiss it as deception?Maybe you can explain how it's come to this, a ball earth moving at breakneck speeds in multiple directions, but zero observational or experimental evidence of motion or curvature...?
Do you know what a scientific theory is? It is not a guess assumed to be correct until proven otherwise as you have described it. People posit hypothesis not theories. Theories are supported by facts, experimentation, observation from many different fields of study that all support a theory to the point that it may be tweaked in the future but will never be fully rejected for something else. If a scientist could demonstrate that a well established theory is severely wrong, such as evolution, they would win a Nobel prize be the most famous scientist ever with all kinds of money coming in for research etc.Ok, so the theory of gravity, the theory of evilotion..?
Maybe, however any calculation you do must account for refraction to be of any value.The refractive index of air as per Snell's law is insufficient to account for 'superman refraction'.
I have admitted that 100% certainty is not possible for anyone even theists. However, that does not mean that we don;t know anything with high levels of confidence. That is what a scientific theory is. All the technology, medical advances etc. that you see around you are all from science and not from faith in the Bible. Science has demonstrated a good track record, faith has always had to adapt to knew scientific findings.Take it up with him. Sounds like you have certainty on this point. Ah, certainty that elusive object of desire.
It is not a myth, it is a problem in physics. We don't know why the discrepancy exists but we do know what we observe and demonstrate to be true about the universe and its beginnings. I don't understand why you think we throw out all we can demonstrate about our universe because we have no solution yet to this problem. I am betting that science will solve the problem before faith will.I don't know what you're talking about. The cosmological constant is a myth. What do you base it on?
You are disparaging real people without proof. A massive conspiracy theory to prop up evolution, ball earth, gravity etc. You must supply sufficient evidence of this claim for it to be believable.Ah, scientists don't depend on grants, they don't care about mundane matters like job security. No conflicts of interest, no frauds. Just a squeaky-clean white coat.
No, he did this so it comported with all the other evidence we have about the universe.He did this expressly to avoid the otherwise inescapable conclusion of geocentricity.
Then the millions of people that work in industries that rely on the current theories of evolution and cosmology are deceived somehow? All the people that worked an any NASA mission, private companies that work on satellites, planes, spaceships etc. are all deceived or lying and no one has talked? How is this even possible when the conclusions form these theories have been demonstrated to be true? This is simple conspiracy theory fantasy until given sufficient evidence to believe it.No, millions of people are deceived. That's just how the world is I'm afraid, 'til Jesus returns.
The bible, although it may not describe a FE to your acceptance, certainly does not describe a globe, spinning, orbiting and moving through space.
Maybe you can explain how it's come to this, a ball earth moving at breakneck speeds in multiple directions, but zero observational or experimental evidence of motion or curvature...?
Awe, but it does say that it sits on pillars, a foundation, will not be moved. Also that it is God's footstool.You're right about that. But what you don't get is that describing such things was never the point. The Bible also doesn't describe how infectious diseases work, or how mathematics works, or how birds can fly, or an innumerable amount of other facts about the universe. That's because it wasn't meant to. That stuff is not essential for salvation, and if we want to know it, God gave us brains to figure it out ourselves.
'The Bible tells us how to go to Heaven, not how the heavens go'
- Cardinal Baronius
Funny.... I once asked someone, here, if the earth was a spinning ball, then weights should change as you move to the poles, as the rotation is slower... They used science to deny it and explained why, on a globe, this would not happen..The weight of an object gradually increases as you travel from the equator to either pole. I can explain this on a spinning globe, can you on a stationary flat earth?
(hint: it's experimental evidence for motion, that you claim doesn't exist, even one you can perform yourself)
Oh, and then there is this:
Why would I discard metaphysics? where would science be without metaphysics?Not sure how you'd discard metaphysics but keep philosophy. Enlighten me.
How is this measurement process performed?God is the rock of ages, the standard against which all things can be measured, the source of all true value, the author of life.
Is what?Perception just is?
I don't recognise your characterization. We have enough data about the universe to know there are certain unexplained phenomena, and we know enough about our best model of the universe to say those phenomena correspond to different specific kinds of influence in that model.Do you say that we possess sufficient data regarding the universe to be making any such grandiose universal claims?
Funny.... I once asked someone, here, if the earth was a spinning ball, then weights should change as you move to the poles, as the rotation is slower... They used science to deny it and explained why, on a globe, this would not happen..
Do you have any evidence to back your belief.. I'm getting conflicting views from people trying to support the globe model?
Maybe you can explain how it's come to this, a ball earth moving at breakneck speeds in multiple directions, but zero observational or experimental evidence of motion or curvature...?
Funny.... I once asked someone, here, if the earth was a spinning ball, then weights should change as you move to the poles, as the rotation is slower... They used science to deny it and explained why, on a globe, this would not happen..
Do you have any evidence to back your belief.. I'm getting conflicting views from people trying to support the globe model?
So you believe the moon generates it's own light? I'm guessing I don't have to ask if you believe people and probes have been to the moon.
Awe, but it does say that it sits on pillars, a foundation, will not be moved. Also that it is God's footstool.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
Now you are just being rude. I included the scripture because it's interesting and relevant and I thought we were having a discussion, obviously not. The Bible states that the moon is the light governing the night along with the stars. Which the moon does, it gives light to the earth at night. I don't see it matters if the light it gives, is it's own light or reflected light.
Genesis tells us step by step what was created on each day, but the Bible doesn't delve into things further. What we can take from it is that God created the sun, moon and stars on day 4, anything else you take from it is conjecture.
The Hebrew word used for emit/give light in this verse ('owr) can mean both “to be or become light” and “to be illuminated or become lighted up” (Strong’s 0215)
Would it be a light though?If the lightbulb was blocked from the viewer by a wall or other barrier, and there was nothing but emptiness in the background, the paper ball would be the brightest thing visible.
All of this makes "theoretical" simple math. However...is it an actual phenomenon? Or just more "theory" applied to nonsense. Oh, and anyone can go on and edit "Wiki". So, it's not really a valid source. It can be and then is not....It's a college freshman physics level problem. An object in uniform circular motion like a planetary orbit, or motion on the surface of a spinning earth, is in constant acceleration. This acceleration depends on the speed and radius of the circle.
At the poles, you're just spinning around like standing on a record player, so there's no 'radius' and the acceleration is zero. At the equator, you're moving in a big circle at a high speed and the acceleration is the largest.
There is also, of course, acceleration due to gravity.
Your weight (i.e. how hard your feet press against the ground) involves the combination of these two accelerations, so it changes (slightly) depending on where you stand on the earth. (There is also some effect from the fact that the earth isn't a perfect sphere)
This website provides a little more info.
As does Wiki.
(Oh, and also there are effects due to difference in elevation, and 'anomalies' like if a huge metal deposit is under your feet.)
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