Debunking False Religions with Christian Universalism

[Der Alte]

Everyone will go to Heaven = TRUE.
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Jehovah is just the Latin name of God. One of His many names.
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John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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John 10:30 I and the Father are one.”
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Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists
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Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
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John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life
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Acts 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved
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Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

All the false conclusions omitted. Everyone will NOT go to heaven Jesus, Himself, said so.
Matthew 7:21-23
FYI: "that day" in this passage refers to "the day of Judgement" no more chances for salvation.

 

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Luke 3:6 All flesh shall see the salvation of God

Believe in Christ with faith alone and be saved! Thus all people will become believers in Jesus and go to Heaven, as Christ will wash away all sins.



Today, Dec 12 2023, I was talking to a person in real life at the place where I work and he asked my opinion about a website called “Ashley Madison”. I have never heard of that website before ever until today, so I asked him to tell me what it was. He then showed me one of their commercials and explained what they do. It’s a service that promotes married people to cheat on their spouses. Instantly, I rebuked this service. This service is completely evil! The service called Ashley Madison promotes the sin of adultery! And adultery is an abomination to the LORD!



Adultery is when someone who is currently already married performs sexual activity with another person who is not the person they are presently married with.

It is clearly written as one of the 10 Commandments that adultery is a sin.

Exodus 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery.

I say these words of truth with kindness and love, because when a marriage has sexual activity between the two people who are married to each other, that is good. But when this sexual activity extends beyond these two people who are married to each other, then it is bad.

Regardless of if you believe in eternal conscious torment (false), annihilationism (false) or Christian Universalism (true), I hope we can all agree that Ashley Madison is an abominable business. It puts the SIN in buSINess!



One example of adultery is with David and Bathsheba. Bathsheba was already the wife of Uriah the Hittite, yet David still summoned her to the palace and had sexual activity.

2 Samuel 11:2 It happened, late one afternoon, when David arose from his couch and was walking on the roof of the king’s house, that he saw from the roof a woman bathing; and the woman was very beautiful.

2 Samuel 23:39 Uriah the Hittite: thirty-seven in all.



Then it’s revealed that David got Bathsheba pregnant.

2 Samuel 11:5 And the woman conceived, and she sent and told David, “I am pregnant.”



And this displeased the Lord, because it was the sin of adultery, which is when a married person has voluntary sexual activity with a person who is not the one they are presently married with.

2 Samuel 11:27 And when the mourning was over, David sent and brought her to his house, and she became his wife and bore him a son. But the thing that David had done displeased the Lord.



David asks the Lord for forgiveness and is forgiven. Just like how people believe in Jesus Christ to wash away all of their sins and are forgiven. Of course, all people who sin will suffer the natural consequence of sin. As in, if you play in traffic, you’re going to get hit by a car. The wages of sin are death, even one sin leads to death, and we all die because we all have Original Sin from Adam when he ate the Forbidden Fruit.



2 Samuel 12:13–14 David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die. 14 Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly scorned the Lord, the child who is born to you shall die.”

The child of David dying is possible because all children are born with Original Sin from Adam. And the wages of every sin are death. The child of David is a descendant of Adam. So, it makes sense for the child of David die. It is also to show David that the wages of sin is death and to make an example out of him for all people who are reading the Bible to see. Sin = Death. Christ’s blood = Life.

The child of David who died did not go to get tortured forever in hell (ECT), nor did the child of David get completely destroyed forever (Conditional Immortality). The truth is that the child of David went to Sheol, the realm of the dead. Even those who die without believing in Christ will still have the chance to believe with faith alone in Jesus in Sheol and be saved. Then eventually, everyone will be saved!

1 Samuel 2:6 The Lord kills and he gives life, he sends down to Sheol, he can bring the dead up again.

2 Samuel 14:14 Yet God does not take away a life; but He devises means, so that His banished ones are not expelled from Him.



An example of a righteous marriage is symbolically like how Christ, the bridegroom, loves the Church, the bride, and will come to sweep His bride off her feet, which will be everyone, because eventually, all people will believe in Jesus with faith alone and be saved and become a member of the Church. What is the Church? It is simply the collection of all those who have believed in Jesus Christ with faith only and have been saved! And when they are saved, they are permanently saved. Once saved, always saved. That’s the eternal security of every believer, you cannot lose your salvation! Once you are a member of the Church through faith alone in Christ Jesus, you are always a member of the Church! As every Church member is wrapped by the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit will be wrapped upon every person, because all will trust in Christ only. Note the word “only”. When we believe, we ONLY trust in Jesus Christ, who is God the Lord. This is monotheism, the belief in only ONE God and this is true.



And to those who are adulterers, that is, people who have committed the sin of adultery, I say, believe in Jesus Christ and have this sin washed away. When you trust in Christ Jesus, all of your sins are washed away, such as adultery, that is the only way to get rid of your sins. Only the Holy Blood that Jesus Christ shed on the cross is enough to make you seen as righteous before the Lord so you may enter into Heaven, through the gates into the city of New Jerusalem, which is paradise. And eventually, all people will trust in the Lord in this way and enter the great city of New Jerusalem, where there is a tree in the middle with leaves for the healing of all nations.

Philippians 3:20-21: "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like His glorious body, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself."



So, back to my real-life story, after telling him that the service known as “Ashley Madison” is completely unethical and morally wrong, he tells me that he also agrees and believes it to be unethical, which is good. Perhaps he was just testing me. It’s a great shame to my country where I was born and currently reside in, Canada, that “Ashley Madison” was founded in Toronto, Canada. It’s no wonder so many people don’t have trust in the government. When you see the government allow adultery services to continue existing for a long time, since 2002, it makes you wonder how many other evil services the government does not put any effort into to stop!

Philippians 2:10-11: "At the name of Jesus every knee will bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."



The worse thing with their TV commercials is when, a married husband could be watching something completely ordinary on the television, like a sports game, but then have this adulterous advertisement come up and his married wife comes in and asks “Honey, what are you watching!?!?” in confusion or anger, which could lead to arguing or domestic conflicts. Another problem is when they show ads promoting adultery, which is evil, on TV, people may falsely believe that adultery is a social norm, when it’s not! It violates the Ten Commandments; it goes against the Law of the Lord!



There’s an incident in 2015 where activist hackers, dubbed hacktivists, hacked the site and published the emails of everyone who made an account on there online. This is why, I say to everyone, you must be careful who you share your email with. Because anyone can take your email and sign you up for evil websites. I’ve seen people publicly post their email addresses on these forums so this is a warning! There are also mail bomb services (a type of Denial-of-Service attack) where you can input a person’s email into a website and spam them junk emails. Anyways, during this data leak, it was found that a lot of the “users” on the Ashely Madison site are actually fake bots, purposely programmed by the website owners to trick people into thinking it’s more popular than it actually is! This is evil, because it’s trying to trick people into thinking adultery is a social norm, when it is not! Technology itself is a tool, which can be good or evil. Not all social media platforms are evil. Take any Christian public forum like the Tentmaker.org forums, which is used for the good purpose of spreading the truth, that everyone will have faith alone in Christ to be saved and thus Jesus will save everyone! There can be good social media platforms, and evil ones, like Ashley Madison, which promote the obscene and inappropriate activity of the sin of adultery, which is sexual immorality!

Exodus 20:17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.”



This is the problem with atheistic humanists trying to create their own moral compass or ethics to follow by, there’s nothing they can base it off of since they believe in NOTHING. For us Christians, we have the Law of the Lord to follow by, we have a whole book, the Bible, that shows us what is good (righteous) and what is not good (sin). But woe to the children who grow up in these non-believing households who must be so confused, having no idea why they exist or what specific things are good and bad. It’s a terrible tragedy indeed!



Romans 7:2-3 “For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.”



So, for context, the place I do work at uses email addresses and has a specific email domain name they use for their emails, you know, for professional business related reasons. However, while talking to this person in real life, he reveals to me that there are many emails from the place I work that had registered for accounts on the site! He then told me to look around, because there are many people in the building who have used Ashely Madison (aka adultery) services in the past.



So here is a message I have to end things off, to all married people who have sexual activity with people that they are not married to, believe with faith alone in Jesus Christ so the blood that He shed on the cross will wash away all of your sins!

So, to all the prostitutes, believe in Jesus Christ and be saved. To all wives who cheat on their husbands, or husbands who cheat on their wives, trust in Christ Jesus and be saved. Anyone anywhere who has sin, which is everyone, come, believe in our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ and be washed of all of your sins! Thus all people will have their sins washed away, no matter how severe, and go to Heaven. Amen.

Job 5:17-18 Happy the man whom God rebukes! Therefore do not reject the discipline of the Almighty. For, though he wounds, he will bind up; the hands that smite will heal.

 

[Mingo Bible Believer]

I talked with a Muslim today. I showed them the Gospel, that Jesus Christ saves everyone through faith alone. That is, the whole world will be saved, every single person in existence will trust in Christ and go to Heaven. Since they did not believe in what I told them, the truth, I decided to have a more casual conversation with them so they open up more.



First off, what proves that Christianity is the only correct religion is because it’s the only religion where everyone has a happy ending. In Islam, you have to upload the Five Pillars, which is works salvation. Christianity is correct because it has faith alone salvation, in Jesus Christ.



It’s impossible for the good works of man to please God. Thus, Christ, the Lamb of God, died for our sins, so all of them can be washed away. Good works can not wash away sins, only the blood of Christ can. That’s the big difference. That’s why it’s so important to have people believe in Christ with faith alone, and why Satan will do everything in his power to trick people into doing random good works trying to be saved. That’s the broad way. The narrow way, which everyone will eventually go through, is faith in Jesus.



As well, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is written in the Book of Genesis.

Hebrew Adam Seth Enosh Kenan Mahalalel Jared Enoch Methuselah Lamech Noah

English Man Appointed Mortal Sorrow; The Blessed God Shall come down Teaching His death shall bring The Despairing Rest, or comfort.

Thus proving the Christian God is the God of Genesis and thus the One and Only True God.



But if those two proofs weren’t enough, let’s dissect my entire conversation with this Muslim and disprove it all.



(Reminder: I’m only doing this after the conversation. During the conversation, I was polite and kind to them, which you should do when evangelizing).



First, only the Bible is true word of God. Because God says so, and God is truth.

Numbers 23:19 God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation.

Someone’s interpretation would be the Quran, which is false.

As such, we can use Bible verses as proofs to disprove lies.



So they said something along the lines of “For us, Christ is just a prophet like Moses”.

But the truth is that

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

1 Corinthians 8:6 Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

It’s a complete contradiction to call Christ “just a human prophet like Moses”. Moses had sin, like all humans. Christ was perfect, sinless.



I asked “So do you follow Christ’s teachings? Technically?”



They said “No not really. We follow God actually. We pray 5 times a day. And we always pray in the direction of Mecca. Also, if the sun rises in the west, that means it’s the end of the world, or judgement day”.

A tricky wording. To follow Christ’s teachings is to follow God. That’s the truth. Those who do not follow Christs teachings do not follow God because Christ is God.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.



I said “Ah ok, I pray multiples times a day. So, we also both pray, but in different ways.”



They said “Sort of similar actually



They said “You pray with your hands clapped together, we open them up or lay them on the ground. Also we have rules of praying. We must do Wuduh, which means you clean yourself, before you pray.”

There is no such thing as Wuduh in the Bible, thus it’s false. There’s no specific formula you must follow for prayer, it’s simply a communication between man and God.

Jeremiah 29:12 Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you.



I said “So, like a bath?”



They said “Ye, if you’re already clean all you go to do is clean your arms. Rinse your arms in water and that’s it. And we go to a Mosque and pray. Mosque’s are churches. Mosques are usually marble. All white and marble. It’s beautiful to look at. You know how Dubai is pretty”

Muslims may physically clean themselves, but the only thing that washes away sins is the blood of Jesus Christ. Only by believing in Jesus Christ can you be saved, no good works, faith alone.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

Mosques are not mentioned in the Bible either as a church, thus they are false.



I said “I’ve seen some Mosques. Ohhh Dubai, that place is really high tech. I heard a lot of tourists go there”



I say “That’s interesting. Thanks for sharing your beliefs”



They said “Ye, well, I’m getting bored. I’ll see you sometime. Maybe”

I will see them sometime. In Heaven, once they, of their own free will, become a believer in Christ. The beauty of Christian Universal Salvation is that everyone will become believers in Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:22-28 All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all His enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,



Furthermore, God is a God of love. He desires a personal relationship with all creation. That can only be achieved through Jesus Christ. Islam is just a long list of loveless rules that offer no lasting comfort. A single solitary author that tries to incorporate Christianity into it, but ends up contradicting itself, since Christianity is already complete by itself. You can not add anything to Christ’s work, it is already finished.





1 Thessalonians 5:18 Give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

Wait, wait! You started the discussion by quoting the Bible to say that "God is not a man" and the Muslim let that slide? If I were the Muslim, I would have said "That's what I mean. Jesus was a man, so Jesus is not God." But I suppose such meetings usually are just people talking past each other.

 

[Der Alte]

Luke 3:6 All flesh shall see the salvation of God
Believe in Christ with faith alone and be saved! Thus all people will become believers in Jesus and go to Heaven, as Christ will wash away all sins. * * *

Luke 22:22
(22) And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
Mar 14:21 Mat 26:24 Mat 18:7
Matthew 18:7-9
(7) Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
(8) Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
(9) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.​

 

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Believe in Jesus Christ and be saved. Thus everyone will be saved in this way.

Luke 3:6 All flesh shall see the salvation of God



I was talking with a woman today on the topic of the difference between Keynesian Economics versus Laissez Economics when the topic of religion came up. She believes that the Roman Catholic Church, which is, Catholicism, is representative of Christianity as a whole and those who reformed had “split off” from the Church, the British, to form an Anglican Church.



First, she’s wrong. I say this with kindness and respect, as telling the truth is love. Specifically, Catholicism is merely a denomination, one of many, that is a category of “Christianity” in the sense that they believe in Jesus Christ. The issue with the Roman Catholic Church is that they require many catechisms in order to be performed, like baptism, charity, good works, in order to be saved, which is FALSE. Good works, following the law, donating to charity, getting baptised do not save us. The only way to be saved is by having faith alone in Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Romans 3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Romans 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”



She mentions that Catholicism has the belief of all Catholics going to Heaven, while other people who did good, but weren’t Catholic go to purgatory and really bad people go to hell. FALSE. Being a catholic does not save you, only trusting in the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made on the cross is enough to save you, that is, wash away all of your sins. That’s the important part about Christianity, getting rid of evil. Christ Jesus’ blood is sinless, perfect, He paid the wages of sin for us, so by believing in Him, we are made righteous before the Lord. Without this, no matter how many good works you do, to the Lord, these are like filthy rags. We are sinners and the Lord hates sin, but loves the person. And sin is dirty. Only Jesus blood washes it. That’s how to get to Heaven, to be clean, to be washed of sin, to believe in Jesus Christ, the only way to be washed of sin and to be clean.

John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

1 John 2:2: "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world."



Purgatory then implies that people for some random reason have to get “purified” from sin by suffering, which is FALSE. The only way to get rid of sin, is not through suffering, but rather believing in Jesus Christ to be saved. Of course, the natural consequence of sin is suffering, but the only way to become clean in the eyes of the Lord is to believe in Christ Jesus! That’s it! That’s the truth my friends!

1 John 3:5: "You know that He [Jesus] appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin."



And hell, well she says that the Catholic Church believes that all those who are not Catholic are savages and barbarians, which is false, because it’s not about being Catholic or not, that doesn’t matter. It’s about believing in Jesus Christ with faith alone and being saved. Someone could be a Catholic and believe in Christ in faith alone to be saved. Someone could be a protestant and believe in Jesus with faith only and be saved. The only part that matters is belief in Jesus Christ only.

Colossians 1:19-20: Through Christ "God was pleased ... to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of His cross."



Hell is not eternal conscious torment. Hell is not annihilation of the soul. When someone dies without believing in Christ, they go to Sheol, the realm of the dead, and experience temporary mental anguish, which is guilt for the sins they’ve committed. This feeling of “temporary mental anguish” is “hell”. Hell is temporary, because Christ will come down to Sheol and convince everyone there to believe in Him with faith alone to be saved, to have this “temporary mental anguish” washed away and replaced with joy with no suffering at all. Christ has come to essentially “wash away” Hell, to empty it out.

Psalm 16:10 You will not leave my soul in Sheol.

PSALM 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, you are there.

Revelation 1:18: "I [Jesus] have the keys of Death and Hades."



This belief in an eternal conscious torment is the reason why many of the settlers that came to North America committed sins towards the Indigenous people by physically abusing them and their children in the residential schools. People who believe in ECT, they try to convert people out of fear. The European settlers, those who were Catholic and Anglican clergy, the French and English, coming to Britain, they were trying to convert people to Christ because they were afraid of an ECT Hell, or a Conditional Immortality Hell. Look, I speak both French and English. Oui, c’est vrai mes amis. And I can tell you in both languages that there is no love in fear. Et je peut vous dire qu’il n’y a aucun amour dans l’angoisse. That’s why it’s so important to not only tell everybody the truth about salvation, that to be saved you must believe in Jesus Christ with faith alone. But also how important it is to tell everyone the truth about universal salvation, that everyone will eventually believe in Jesus Christ with faith alone and all people will be saved.

John 1:9 "The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world"

 

[HSong]

Wait, wait! You started the discussion by quoting the Bible to say that "God is not a man" and the Muslim let that slide?

Hmm... ok, I can see it. Truth is, Jesus is fully man and fully God. But, I guess when dealing with Muslims, I have to be careful what verses I use lol. Honestly, I didn't think of the verse that way when using it, I posted it to show that the Bible scriptures are true and to eliminate the Quaran since it contradicts scripture. Guess I gotta be more careful XD

 

[Valletta]

The issue with the Roman Catholic Church is that they require many catechisms in order to be performed, like baptism, charity, good works, in order to be saved, which is FALSE. Good works, following the law, donating to charity, getting baptised do not save us. The only way to be saved is by having faith alone in Jesus Christ.

I'd like to clarify actual Catholic teaching. The Bible tells us that we are saved through Baptism:

1 Pet 3:20-21 God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water. This prefigured baptism, which saves you now.

When we fall God continues to save us.

She mentions that Catholicism has the belief of all Catholics going to Heaven, while other people who did good, but weren’t Catholic go to purgatory and really bad people go to hell. FALSE.

It is Catholic teaching that even popes can go to hell. "Once saved, always saved," as alluring as it may be, is NOT Catholic teaching. It is Catholic teaching that an unrepented grave or "mortal" sin by a Catholic will send one to hell. Deliberately missing Sunday mass without a good reason is a mortal sin, and most who identify as Catholic do not regularly attend mass.

 

[Mingo Bible Believer]

I'd like to clarify actual Catholic teaching. The Bible tells us that we are saved through Baptism:
Deliberately missing Sunday mass without a good reason is a mortal sin, and most who identify as Catholic do not regularly attend mass.

When I read that I felt overwhelmed with love and sorry to say pity for Catholics. As an old-school Baptist, I do not believe that baptism, church membership, to say nothing of attending Sunday mass are necessary for salvation. Grace alone not only suffices, but only grace is effective. I am thankful for the degree of faith God has been pleased to give me, and if He gave me the faith to believe in Catholicism, I would join it as soon as possible.

 

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Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

Lordship Salvation = Turn from sins to be saved = FALSE

Truth = Faith alone in Jesus Christ to be saved = TRUE

Lordship Salvation, as is defined above, is thus, completely false. It contradicts entirely the Gospel truth, the good news that simply believing in Jesus Christ is enough to be saved. It’s how everyone can be saved. Everyone are sinners, and it’s impossible for us to be saved by our good works alone. Thus, since everyone has sin, everyone will eventually believe in Christ Jesus and get salvation.

Jesus is always the Lord! Jesus is always the Saviour! We have no righteousness by ourselves. We don’t have the power to make Jesus Lord, because He is already the Lord.

Christ = God

We don’t have the power to make Jesus the Saviour, Jesus died on the cross and paid the wages of sin, which is death, which is how He is the Saviour. Everyone who believes in the name of Christ Jesus thus will be saved.

Works Salvation = FALSE

Works + Faith Salvation = FALSE

Faith Salvation = TRUE

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Faith is the seed, you accept Christ as your Saviour and you’re saved. Thus when the seed is planted, you are saved, permanently, guaranteed. As the Holy Spirit = Lord, comes inside of you and saves you. This is not of your own good works! All of our works are like filthy rags to the Lord. This is because of our belief, like a child belief’s, even the smallest amount, in Jesus Christ that saves us.

Acts 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved

The death of Christ acts as our cover, as His blood is sprinkled over the mercy seat of Heaven. This is what saves us! Faith alone saves us! You can’t add works to salvation, it must be faith alone in Jesus Christ! And this is a faith that is only in Jesus Christ, because He is the only person that can save us. Christ Jesus is the only person that will save the whole world, because He is the Saviour, He is the Lord.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

We have the free will to choose when to believe in Christ, but predestination shows us that Christ will eventually convince everyone to believe in Him and thus be saved.

Lordship Salvation = Works Salvation = FALSE

The Lord Christ Saves Us = We believe in Him with Faith Alone = TRUE

Christ is Lord. Christ is Saviour. He died for our sins! All we need to do is to believe in Him and we are thus permanently saved moving forward. Eventually, every person will have this permanent belief.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

This is why I like to define things with equal signs, so you understand the concept that I’m rebuking. For instance.

Repentance Salvation = Turning Away from Sins = False

Repentance Salvation = Recognizing Your Sin thus Need for a Saviour = Faith Alone in Jesus Christ to be Saved = True

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If you see the definition of repentance as “turning away from sins”, which is false, then “turning away from sins” is false. The correct meaning of repentance for salvation is “recognizing yourself as a sinner”. That’s why the Gospel message at the front page of my website reads “Everyone is a sinner”. That recognition is not a good work. That recognition, aka repentance, is synonymous with having faith alone in Jesus Christ to be saved.

Baptism Salvation = Good Work of Baptism to be Saved = False

Baptism Salvation = Recognizing Your Need to Wash Away your Sins through believing in Jesus Christ = Faith Alone in Jesus Christ to be Saved = True.

Baptism is a metaphor for washing away sins. A physical explanation for how we are dirty, we wash ourselves with Christ’s holy blood from the cross, and are saved. This “washing ourselves” is an allegory for believing in Jesus Christ with faith alone and therefore being saved.

John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

Circumcision Salvation = Good Work of Circumcision to be Saved = False

Circumcision Salvation = Unhardening our Hearts, meaning, accepting Jesus Christ as our Saviour = Faith Alone in Jesus Christ to be Saved = True.

Circumcision is merely a metaphor for unhardening your hearts, opening up to the truth. That is, some people plug their ears and try to avoid listening to the Gospel, the good news, so they don’t hear it. Other people are spiritually “circumcised” in the sense that they listen to the truth. And, of course, to believe in Jesus Christ, you have to know to believe in Jesus Christ and know that it’s true. That’s what belief is. Believing in something to be true.

Psalm 118:21 I thank you that you have answered me and have become my salvation.

And finally, we now return to the title of this article, Lordship Salvation

Lordship Salvation = Good Work of Making Jesus Christ your Lord = False

Lordship Salvation = Believing in Jesus Christs as your Saviour = Faith Alone in Jesus Christ to be Saved = True.

That’s the tricky thing. A lot of people online will give different definitions to the same word. There is no Lordship needed for Salvation, no Baptism needed for Salvation, no Repentance needed for Salvation, no Circumcision needed for Salvation, it’s just Faith Alone for Salvation.

Faith Alone in Jesus Christ = Salvation.

However, I personally would try to avoid using the terms “Lordship”, “Baptism”, “Repentance”, “Circumcision”, etc. I say things plainly and simply so even a child can understand. Which is “faith alone”.

Romans 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Thus the takeaway from all of this is

Believe in Jesus Christ with faith alone and be saved.

All people will become believers in Jesus Christ through faith alone and thus all will be saved.

Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

 

[Valletta]

When I read that I felt overwhelmed with love and sorry to say pity for Catholics. As an old-school Baptist, I do not believe that baptism, church membership, to say nothing of attending Sunday mass are necessary for salvation. Grace alone not only suffices, but only grace is effective. I am thankful for the degree of faith God has been pleased to give me, and if He gave me the faith to believe in Catholicism, I would join it as soon as possible.

"There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing. These millions can hardly be blamed for hating Catholics because Catholics “adore statues”; because they “put the Blessed Mother on the same level with God”; because they say “indulgence is a permission to commit sin”; because the Pope “is a Fascist”; because the “Church is the defender of Capitalism.” If the Church taught or believed any one of these things it should be hated, but the fact is that the Church does not believe nor teach any one of them. It follows then that the hatred of the millions is directed against error and not against truth. As a matter of fact, if we Catholics believed all of the untruths and lies which were said against the Church, we probably would hate the Church a thousand times more than they do. If I were not a Catholic, and were looking for the true Church in the world today, I would look for the one Church which did not get along well with the world; in other words, I would look for the Church which the world hates…" Bishop Sheen, 1938

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I am thankful for the degree of faith God has been pleased to give me, and if He gave me the faith to believe in Catholicism, I would join it as soon as possible.

All those things nurture faith, build faith, support faith. The world throws us so many adversities, obstacles and distractions it is a great advantage to have tangible practices that help to ground us more deeply in faith. Praise God for sacramental presence, signs and symbols as well as rituals on earth that abide in Him.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

So preaching the gospel is pointless, Christian sacrifice worthless, the Church just a weekend entertainment for those so inclined? It does not matter what a person does or says because they will be saved anyway? So live as you please? You'd better hope you are right. If you are causing people to avoid accepting Christ by your false teaching, God will hold you accountable.

By your statement you show how little you understand UR most people who truly understand UR are more interested in sharing who Jesus is and what he did , because they understand what Jesus really did . He is the savior of the world. Jesus really is more powerful that satan now that’s worth shouting from the rooftops, especially when you have been in the tradition that says satan wins most of creation. Jesus really is the savior of the world he wins all that he paid for Yahweh 100% satan 0%

 

[Jeff Saunders]

UR has 'satans' name written all over it,

How can it have satans name all over it when it is the only Biblical view that has satan lose and not only lose but some even say that satan himself will bend his knee and confess that Jesus is Lord. All others have satan win and Yahweh loses most of his creation because they don’t believe Yahweh is either loving enough or powerful enough to defeat satan.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

That is universalism in a nutshell. a religion with no consquences.
It doesn't matter what one believes in this live, as in the next universalist belief one gets a second chance, a compulsory second chance, a question with only one answer.
There is no consquence in universalism, no one is punished, all are saved, because despite there rejection of God, God saves them, All.

UR does indeed have consequences if you do not put your faith and trust in Jesus while in the mortal body you go to the lake of fire and it’s bad and painful, just not eternal. You really need to study up on things before you make untrue accusations.

 

[Der Alte]

UR does indeed have consequences if you do not put your faith and trust in Jesus while in the mortal body you go to the lake of fire and it’s bad and painful, just not eternal. You really need to study up on things before you make untrue accusations.

Revelation 20:10
(10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [a person] are and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.​

 

[Der Alte]

How can it have satans name all over it when it is the only Biblical view that has satan lose and not only lose but some even say that satan himself will bend his knee and confess that Jesus is Lord. All others have satan win and Yahweh loses most of his creation because they don’t believe Yahweh is either loving enough or powerful enough to defeat satan.

Was "Yahweh ...either [not] loving enough or powerful enough to defeat satan." in this passage?

Jeremiah 13:11-14
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.​

 

[Aussie Pete]

By your statement you show how little you understand UR most people who truly understand UR are more interested in sharing who Jesus is and what he did , because they understand what Jesus really did . He is the savior of the world. Jesus really is more powerful that satan now that’s worth shouting from the rooftops, especially when you have been in the tradition that says satan wins most of creation. Jesus really is the savior of the world he wins all that he paid for Yahweh 100% satan 0%

Whatever. UR is false and gives false hope to unbelievers. I know in my own experience that it was fear of God's judgement that got me to repent. I'd never read Acts, but I said pretty much what they said on the day of Pentecost. "What must I do........?" That was over 50 years ago but I remember it clearly as ever. Would I have received Christ if I knew that there was another chance after death? Probably not.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Whatever. UR is false and gives false hope to unbelievers. I know in my own experience that it was fear of God's judgement that got me to repent. I'd never read Acts, but I said pretty much what they said on the day of Pentecost. "What must I do........?" That was over 50 years ago but I remember it clearly as ever. Would I have received Christ if I knew that there was another chance after death? Probably not.

So UR is false because it doesn’t line up with your life? Have you even studied what the early church fathers wrote? If UR is false as you claim then why does scripture say Jesus is savior of the world not a potential savior? Why does scripture say that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord and not say some knees will bow and some tongues will confess? Or As In Adam all die in Christ all will live, or should it say all in Adam die but a few shall be made alive in Jesus? You have to change a lot of scripture for UR to be false.

 

[Lost Witness]

So UR is false because it doesn’t line up with your life? Have you even studied what the early church fathers wrote? If UR is false as you claim then why does scripture say Jesus is savior of the world not a potential savior? Why does scripture say that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord and not say some knees will bow and some tongues will confess? Or As In Adam all die in Christ all will live, or should it say all in Adam die but a few shall be made alive in Jesus? You have to change a lot of scripture for UR to be false.

GOD is Fully capable of compelling people to profess willingly
Look at Pharaoh the LORD got him to play ball and he never even knew he was
All Will live is true though because everyone shall be resurrected to be Judged,
Some will inherit life and some condemnation.

 

[Der Alte]

So UR is false because it doesn’t line up with your life? Have you even studied what the early church fathers wrote? If UR is false as you claim then why does scripture say Jesus is savior of the world not a potential savior? Why does scripture say that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord and not say some knees will bow and some tongues will confess? Or As In Adam all die in Christ all will live, or should it say all in Adam die but a few shall be made alive in Jesus? You have to change a lot of scripture for UR to be false.

Because the vss. you are citing are usually quoted out-of-context as you did.
Yes, every knee will bow some in love and obedience but others will serve as footstools for Jesus.
Three [3] vss. say that every knee will bow, Isa 45:23, Rom 14:11, Php 2:10
Thirteen [13] vss. say the enemies of Jesus will be His footstool; Psalms 110:1, Matthew 22:44, Mark 12:36, Luke 20:42-43, Acts 2:34-35, Mar 12:36, Luk 20:43, Act 2:35, Heb 1:13, Heb 10:13.
In Joshua 10:24-26, Joshua showed how enemies were treated.

Joshua 10:24-26​

(24) And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.[footstools]​

(25) And Joshua said unto them, Fear not, nor be dismayed, be strong and of good courage: for thus shall the LORD do to all your enemies against whom ye fight.​

(26) And afterward Joshua smote them, and slew them, and hanged them on five trees: and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening.​

The enemies of Jesus will be bowing their knees and saying that Jesus is Lord. But I don't know of one vs. which says those enemies will be saved. See e.g. Matthew 7:21-23.
You and other UR-ites are the ones making changes to scripture. For example, 1 Cor 15:22 does NOT say "in Christ all will live!"

1 Corinthians 15:22-23​

(22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.​

(23) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.​

All mankind are, "in Adam" because all mankind are literal descendants of Adam. But "all mankind" are NOT in Christ, that takes a knowledgeable decision in this life. The very next vs. makes that clear. "every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming"
"Christ first ... afterward" NOT all mankind but those who already belong to Christ when He returns.